Fatim1

Please don't shut up/down the voices of anti racism be it stemming from Arabism or otherwise...

In reference to Contrieng's "objection" to the Pan-Arabism data.

What seems to be the problem why is there an attempt here by someone to make it appear as if the facts aren't neutra? is anyone disputing the facts that all thosoe cases occured/occur? or if it stems from militant Arabism?

It's in no way a news flash, no more than any other data on wiki.

Poorly cited? What does that mean? have you checked the links? I just did check most of them!

IT DOES BELONG IN ARABISM or PAN-ARABISM!

One should not cover for ANY racism, there is no excuse, which is why I haven't edited claims by Israeli Arabs of racism on other pages on wiki.

One should not be biased against Jews and apologize for anti Jewish racism by Arabism just because it doesn't sound nice, true info should be noticed & known. If you check my contributions you will find that I post against Arabs being attacked in Europe. I even created new sections on the Anti-Arabism page, Czech and GB.

Fatim1 (talk) 18:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

OK Fatim1 here is where I disagree with you and my opinion in general:

First of all, it IS more of a news flash than all Wikipedia articles (at least all the ones I'm interested in or have seen). I don't know what Wikipedia articles you are talking about but even if other articles are also news-like, this does not make it OK. I cannot fix all the articles but I am trying to fix this one.

Second, I HAVE checked ALL the links in that section and what I meant by poorly cited is that most come from Israeli websites or websites by Jews. So what? Right? It's racism against THEM! Well, can't I claim that any person is racist against me and tell people stories about it? I surely can, but it would be wrong to believe me unless I have seen the racism first hand, or if it has been documented by NEUTRAL side. Where would that leave the people who I have accused? Can't they defend themselves from the accusations of being racist? Can't they explain that what is being conceived as racism is a REACTION to being victimized? I think they must be allowed to do that and THEN people can make educated judgements. Furthermore, I may be someone who claims people are against me and then I make websites about it and then I cite my own websites in Wikipedia, which makes the article a mere propaganda instrument.

Thirdly, it does NOT belong in pan-Arabism because all of the Arab League meetings in the past and also all pan-Arabism attempts have not had racist causes behind them (especially not against Jews) The first thoughts of pan-Arabism were inside the Ottoman Empire and they came to surface after Ottoman bad treatement of Arabs (Note that Ottomans and Arabs are Muslims). pan-Arabism was sought by Al-Sharif Hussein bin Ali and other Arab leaders during the Arab revolt in 1916 long before Israel existed. At that time, Arabs made alliances with the west against the Ottomans on order to unite Arabs. There were no bad feelings towards Jews and Muslim, Christian and Jew arabs all lived together and sought unity.

I am NOT trying to cover for any kind of racism as I am totally and sincerely against it. It is WRONG if any Muslim or any Arab or any person has any kind of prejudice against Jews or other people. The sole purpose of my edits was an attempt to present a more NEUTRAL perspective of the issue. I am not biased against Jews. I personally believe that all people must live together peacfully. Unfortunately, I have no proof for this as you don't know me and you may not believe all of what I am saying. Racism, of course, is not nice but I am not COVERING it and biased. I have beliefs, nut I am not biased.

Finally, I completely agree that true information must be known, and that is why my edits (at first) were only addition of information and I did not attempt any change in other claims. But then, people who oppose my views started deleting my additions for no apparent reasons and adding more biased points. I do acknowledge that some Arabs are racist just as some Jews are racist. Racism has no race.. if I may..

Thanks a lot..
Contrieng (talk) 21:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)