User talk:Flowerpotman/Archive8

BOI robbery

Fair enough. You avoided an edit conflict which would have irked me considerably as I expand the article. :) Some might say the tag is only for articles edited by hundreds in the same day but I suppose that will be the case once it hits ITN... --Candlewicke _S^T _# :) 03:10, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Fizzboro? Is that what the Phibsboronians call the place? :D --Candlewicke _S^T _# :) 03:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I think I too was straying into make-up territory with Phibsboronians – unless of course I'm actually correct! :D --Candlewicke _S^T _# :) 03:35, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Amazing what you learn on Wikipedia but, from what I've just discovered, you appear to have "mildly" offended a quarter of the country. Yet, at the same time, it is "a way to refer to themselves". Someone should really sort that out... --Candlewicke _S^T _# :) 03:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Check out the reformed vandal

Looks like a recent vandal to your page has changed his ways. Check out my talk page. Gnowor (talk) 01:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

• Yup... LOL. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 18:08, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Ireland naming question

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Ernest Kinoy

Nicely done on the new article. I hope you don't mind that I made a few minor edits. I noticed that you wiki-linked Ernest to "I've Gotta Be Me", I did the same to the musical Golden Rainbow, which leads me to my question: do you happen to know where an image for the musical's infobox might be found? The only image I've ever added to wikipedia is a photo I took of a lake and released into the public domain, and I know there are bots swimming the wiki-seas looking for words like "licensed" and "free use" and such, but I know little about how to add images. I created the musical's article mostly to support the one for "I've Gotta Be Me", and I thought you might know of a source that I don't. If not, no worries. Thanks. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 18:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Not only do I not mind edits, this is one article that I hope gets a lot more additions. It's more than just not being precious about articles created; this is one where I know that I have only scratched the surface and the article really needs input from people with more sources than I had access to, as Kinoy's work spanned a lot of disciplines. And, of course, anything that improves on my steamroller prose is always a good idea.

I have to admit, I tend to stay clear of images for much the same reasons you mention above :). But anyway, I'm afraid I don't remember coming across any posters for any of the musicals. And I couldn't find anything for Golden Rainbow with a search. If you find any, you should be able to use it according to the fair-use policy, if it is sufficiently low quality. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I've tried to steer clear of images as well, but creating an article on a musical automatically adds a category "missing image in infobox" if it's not there. I may have found one just now, and it's not too big, so perhaps I'll try adding it. I thought it was worth a chance asking you if you knew anything about how that works, and you knew more than I did, so thanks for the info. As for the "precious" link above, that's something I'm still trying to work towards when it comes to articles I've created in a certain style that I prefer. But I should read that more often, I guess. Anyway, thanks again. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 02:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi again, I hope what I did is OK. Regarding Ernest Kinoy, if you go to the Emmy Awards website here and search his name from 1949 to the present, you get five noms and two wins, so I added a mention of those to the article. But the URL doesn't change as you search, so I didn't know how to link to it. Also, if you search 'Writing Drama' in their database, it brings up his first win for The Defenders in the same listing as Outstanding Writing for a Drama Series is today, so I wiki-linked that, although the wikipedia page only goes back to 1990. I guess the award has changed names numerous times over the years, because Roots is in the same category of that search. Confused? Me too, so change Ernest back if you think it's not verifiable. Also, I added the image to Golden Rainbow, and I appreciate your advice. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 21:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I had a problem with some of the sources for his wins myself in '63, '64 and 77, as one of the sources said three wins in '63, '64 and '77, but I could only find two wins in '64' and '77. I think the confusion was created in one source which goofed because the win for The Defenders was for the 1963/64 Emmy's and they took that to be two wins and then the error was replicated in other places. Actually there is a debate about whether IMDb is a reliable source, but for the number of nominations, I think it would probably do and the nominations could probably sourced elsewhere to make sure. Yup, the Emmy categories tended to get renamed frequently.

You should be ok with the image in Golden Rainbow, as it isn't of high enough definition for anyone to do anything naughty with it. It could well be used as a fair-use image by Broadway World anyway.

Oh, and cheers for catching my "New York Yimes" contribution. :) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 22:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd bet that your assumption on the source counting The Defenders as a win for 1963 is correct. The 1964 Emmys would have represented the 1963-1964 TV season, and it probably just got duplicated, although the show won multiple writing and drama series Emmys in the early 1960s. Actually I've seen that issue confuse a lot of people in regards to the Grammys, since the 2009 ceremony held earlier this year would have covered late 2007 to mid 2008 (or thereabouts) in released music. I almost left 'New York Yimes' alone...I thought, 'Yumpin' Yiminy, maybe that's what he meant!' ;) Zephyrnthesky (talk) 22:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello

Of all the stupid Wikipedia categories, "Living people" must be the most ridiculous of all! :) LiteraryMaven (talk • contrib) 18:43, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

• Maybe, and I do sometimes feel a bit silly putting in a category that is soooooo obvious from the text, but that said, it does provide a useful tool for the various protections to be invoked for biographies of living people, which I have to admit are necessary. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 18:50, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Removing "verification needed" flag

Because I was looking something up on Wikipedia I've wound up doing a lot of work because of an amendment to Hugo Award categories and in the process noticed that the Worldcon page is flagged with a need for verification. This is probably because the citations are in the external links section rather than worked into the text, which upon review is the right way to handle things. How do I get it removed? (Sorry, you're my expert on things.) --Kovar (talk) 22:33, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

• I'm always slightly surprised and worried when someone thinks I might be an expert, because I try very hard not to be an expert on anything :). But I'll take a look at the article in a few minutes; chances are that you are right and some facts might be sourced using the external links. I'll take a look in a few minutes. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 22:49, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
• PS OK, there might be a problem with using the external links as they are mostly from Worldcon and would be primary sources. However a lot can be sourced by real honest-to-goodness news sources that wouldn't have that problem; even a quick look at Google News brings up dozens of articles from news sources that are easily considered reliable: the BBC, New York Times, the Grauniad The Guardian and a lot more, with sources going back to the 1930's. Oh, the truth or at least reliable sources are out there. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:01, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Just a quick amendment to my last message: Alas, the hits from 1939 were as a result of OCR glitches from scanning articles. While I do love the New York Times for providing archives online, alas these glitches sometimes have unfortunate results. And yes, I was asking too much to think they covered the first convention.:) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

re: slightly Kinoy-related

You're right, that is interesting! It may be worth noting on the film page that you edited that this would have been during the live broadcast on NBC radio (I assume). Also, the reference you added there has an error message, something about "no title cited" and I'm not sure how to fix that.

I hadn't forgotten about Kinoy either, just started following other rabbit trails around the expanse of wikipedia. I've been spending quite a bit of time the past week or so reading about/listening to Swing Out Sister, man I really dug the first album. Still have the cassette, and have been listening to it quite a bit. That was my digression...Kinoy is good for a general overview of him right now, certainly better than nothing. What other offshoots were you looking at creating? Zephyrnthesky (talk) 21:29, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I think I've got a good start for the Rocky Fortune article. I should probably have spent more time today looking for a job instead of scouring the internet for references to this show, but this was more fun! Less rejection involved, certainly. Any additions you could make to the article are welcome. The episode I listened to earlier had Rocky walking down the street singing "I've Got the World on a String", so I included that (as well as mentioning our guy Kinoy) ;)

The program you mentioned, Take the Floor, certainly sounds interesting. Internet and TV have made a show like that impossible to apply to the 21st century, but the whole concept of using one's "mind's eye" was what made vintage radio programs work. When I Google-d that show, it took me to a BBC webpage, but that page was about a Scottish show and (I believe) different than the one you mentioned. I did see this, however, and if that's the right show, it ran from 1953 to 1965. Let me know if you get that going, I'd be interested in reading more about it. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 23:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! (Aw, shucks, stickin' my big toe in the sand...) I had noticed the other Sinatra show as well, it may have been a variety show where he mostly sang. There aren't nearly as many articles about radio programs on wikipedia as, well, everything from the past twenty years. Anyway, talk to you later. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 00:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Molecules

I agree with you. All we need to do is to stop him from creating the pages as he is not responding to any messages. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Can we get a request in to block him? He is not responding to anything and acts more like a bot than a user. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Replying on Kevin Rutherford's talk page (Sorry, had to step away from the computer for a minute). FlowerpotmaN·(t) 01:58, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you on that. I initially was skeptical of the names, but a quick search relieved my suspicions. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that

Thanks for the suggestions there. I will update and expand the article and I plan on telling others who know far far more about the festival that the article is up.

Martin--Martin-09-DP (talk) 23:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

How do I give you a tick?

How do I give you a tick? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin-09-DP (talk • contribs) 00:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

lol

lol, i thought you wanted me to fill out some form thanking you or something.

Coolies. --Martin-09-DP (talk) 00:12, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

"For a few minutes"

I saw your edit summary saying "underconstruction tag for a few minutes". Do you know about {{inuse}}. It might be a better choice for you (or maybe not... just wanted to be sure you knew about it). LadyofShalott ^Weave 00:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I do. My bad there: yes, I should have used the inuse tag for what I thought I was going to do tonight and I definitely shouldn't have said a few minutes, for more than one reason, not least my Internet connection doing funny things :)

However, now that I look at it, I think this is going to take a few hours at least and is going to run into tomorrow. A lot of sourcing to be done. I am checking if there are enough sources to give enough history of the early days of the parade for later contributors to work from and there seems to be enough by way of online sources. (I have to admit that I had forgotten the incident that led to the first parade in 1983. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 01:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

One Vision

Hiya Flowerpotman. A great to hear from ya again, always a pleasure. I agree, and watchers seem to note surprise also despite the Irish TV regulator negotiating on July 08 terms which is ridiculous on their part I think. I mean to they want to get the best return for the state which generally is a good thing, but its a new project and shouldn't be overpriced now. That's more for renewal when the market is established. Its not right for a regulator to be opportunistic to the point of potentially putting off interested parties, delaying the project only to try to invite that party again under revised conditions mucking up the DTT project here.

Hopefully they'll re-negotiate on better terms now with Onevision. I think the main stickig point for Boxer was they didn't want pay the €20m bond to RTE apparently. They apparently offered a €1 million bond last year to the BCI that they'd give up if they didn't go through. I wonder what happened to that? By contrast I think Onevision might be prepared to pay that, since they understand the situation RTÉ's end, its about security.

Arquiva the network operator have more scale than Terracom of Boxer Sweden I would think and a bigger consortium such as Onevision can spread the investment cost better. I think myself that while Boxer have pay TV success in Sweden experience that this consortiums backers have a much better understanding of the characteristics of the UK/Irish pay TV Market than Boxer could have. All of Onevision's backers bar Eircom have deep knowledge of the TV market, more honed knowledge of switchover to offer from the UK experience which is more relevant than Sweden to Ireland. I'm adding another link from which I saw today. It is good news. Nice hearing from you I know yer doing yer best to make articles as encylopedic as possible but with an understanding style. I didn't notice the revision. Scathain (talk) 23:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't come up with how this could even be "six degrees of Ernest Kinoy-related"...

...but I thought I'd drop a note to you on a friendlier forum than what I've been dealing with lately (don't ask). I created a disambig page for Take the Floor, then did a little net sleuthing and found enough for a stub on the Scottish radio show of that name. I may have done this backwards, but I didn't know which was more important, so this way whenever you get around to your article about the Irish show, both will have parenthesis after the title. And I included the one you told me about on the disambig page, along with definitions of the phrase and a few songs. (OK, so Ernest Kinoy wrote for Dimension X, which was a radio show, and so was Take the Floor - I guess that's three degrees!) Take care. Zephyrnthesky (talk) 06:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The disambig is fine, although I think Take the Floor is going to be a long, looooonnnng way off, if it ever comes from me. I had great intentions of doing more article work and less gnoming since the Easter long weekend, but for various reasons (and trivial reasons, one of them involving the fact that it was actually sunny here), I ended up having have had less time to do anything on Wikipedia over the last few weeks, apart from a few quick edits and managing to resurrect a draft article that was sitting for months on my hard drive. I really have to "source up" a few Irish radio programmes myself, when I can get my hands on older paper sources and I definitely have to get back to a few Dublin geography and other related articles, as I have a pile of books on the subject at the moment.

And yup, I saw ANI :). Yeah, try to avoid it myself, but if a problem has to be taken there, then it has to be taken... I am noticing that I am getting very nostalgic for 80s music myself, although maybe it's all the doom and gloom around, because I am wondering where all my The The tapes ever went to. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 19:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

No worries, FPM. Just thought I'd let you know what I had done. Drop me a line sometime if you want to, it's nice chatting with a friendly person. :) Zephyrnthesky (talk) 02:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Ireland Wikimedian email list

Hello Flowerpotman:

I'm pleased to announce that we've started a new Ireland Wikimedian email list, that you can join, at mail:WikimediaIE. For Wikimedians in Ireland and Wikimedians interested in events in Ireland and efforts in Ireland. It's there to to discuss meetups, partnerships with Museums and National Archives, and anything else where Wikipedia and real life intersect :) --Bastique ^demandez 18:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Bernard the Brave

Hey there, I read the deletion report you put on a page created by a user named Bernard the Brave and how you suspected he might be a sock of Bambifan. This same user has made many suspicious (and totally unconstructive) edits to Bambifan's usual haunts The Rescuers and a previously merged/deleted page Bernard (The Rescuers). I sent him warnings, but maybe we can keep an eye on his activities together. Thanks. Cactusjump (talk) 15:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Bit late in replying so replied at Cactusjump's talk page FlowerpotmaN·(t) 18:17, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks -- I knew it looked suspicious. Cactusjump (talk) 18:29, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Reply from Zorydominguez

Thanks!!!!!!!!!!--Zorydominguez (talk) 19:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Huntington Castle

Good work! I removed the prod. Fences and windows (talk) 01:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

No prob. I was going to do that this morning when I had a chance to add a few morte things (which you got to :); actually, now that I think of it, I possibly should have removed the Prod notice which, in all fairness, had been placed on a very short stub. Anyhoo, all sorted now...

I might have a chance to get my hands on a few more solid reference books tonight; petty theft from somebody else's bookshelves is always fun. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 13:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Bertha Harmer

Thanks for the advice. I'll try to rewrite it more. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 01:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Pontifex (British family) article

Hey, I got your message re the Pontifex family. It seemed to me that when four out of five brothers attend the same college (Clifton College) and three become Benedictine monks, all at the same place (Downside Abbey) that there was something a tad unique. The family also produced father/son/nephew military history.

But if you still think the page is more non-notable than notable, then I agree to move the article back to my userpage as a test page. Are you an admin who can do it? Thanks for your thoughtful response at the WP:AFD. I am going offwiki now; I have to go to work and am running late. If you aren't an admin, could you please forward this message to User:Cobaltbluetony and ask him to move the article back to my userpage as a test page (or whatever the terminology is) and terminate the AfD. Thanks. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 20:12, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

• Just back in the door myself, so I'll reply on RMS's page in a few minutes. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 21:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I was too slow!

I was just doing a van4im on that IP but you beat me! Mjroots (talk) 18:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

LOL..... ah, I just knew that one was going to end badly, so I just kept refreshing his contributions page. Sometimes you just know they aren't going to take the hint.FlowerpotmaN·(t) 18:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Greetings Flowerpotman! Thanks for helping get the Hadley Caliman article up and running. Am off to remove the underconstruction tag. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 20:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

No problem. I had a quick look for more sources as I was checking it off at new pages and there are quite a lot of sources via Google News going back to the 1960s if you want them for later. The good thing about being a critic's favourite is that they do write about the subject. :) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 23:07, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

And again! That Google News link you thoughtfully provided will be my downfall... --Technopat (talk) 00:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Dirty, smelly socks

Tagged and bagged. It's actually been awhile since he last showed up--hopefully he knows now that he'll be shot on sight. Blueboy96 00:02, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

• (replied at Blueboy's talk page) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 00:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Strangely familiar style ...

With regard to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Ultimate DisneyMania Collection, can you please not be quite so coy? I recognize this too. It's not the Disney vandal, but it's another editor that pulls this crap. If you can remind me of the name, I can use WP:SPI to get him blocked more quickly.—Kww(talk) 21:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

• Errr, yes. Yikes, sorry about that. That was a case of me typing in a hurry without thinking alright, and it came across as being more than a bit smug, which wasn't my intention. I have to admit my first thought was Bambifan, but when I took a look at the contributions before I replied at the AFD, I changed my mind . That said, I knew I had came across pages like that at :New pages (particularly the multiply linked artists and those who were linked) that rang a bell, but I couldn't put a name to the originator of those pages off-hand. What I certainly shouldn't have done was mentioned that I recognized the style (even if I did), without being able to put a name to the originator. I'll take a look back later tonight if I have the time. And again sorry; my contribution to that AFD really came out horribly wrong. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 20:08, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Already bagged and tagged. WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Kielz86.—Kww(talk) 21:23, 22 July 2009 (UTC)