FrankyCentaur

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Murder of Holly Branagan (October 10)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Sceptre was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Sceptre (talk) 02:30, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello to whoever is reading this. After the initial 3 months of waiting, the article being declined due to an error on my behalf that I fixed, and another 4 months of waiting, my article was apparently easily turned down. While it was stated that people who were only notable for a single thing, in this case a murder, are rarely ever accepted onto Wiki, it only took a few minutes of looking to find many others out there. For example, there is a Wiki page for the Murder of Betsy Aardsma. This happened only 10 years prior, near the same area of Pennsylvania, around the same age, etc. That page has about the same amount of references that this one does, but the one I created has what looks to be three times the important information written- and there's many articles like Betsy's out there. I understand that Wiki is an unbiased platform, but these Wiki pages do help with having the information on these cases out there, but having an article on one murder case and not another is a lot like saying one person's life was worth more than another. It should be all or none. Here is Betsy's page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Betsy_Aardsma

If there is any error I created for Holly's page, that's fine and I will gladly fix it or put more work into it in order to keep it up to the Wiki standard. Thank you for any help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrankyCentaur (talk • contribs) 03:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

I expect that the Aardsma article would also be declined if it were up for review today. If you should wish to explore the community's sense of whether articles like this should be accepted, one way you could do that would be to start an articles for deletion discussion around the Aardsma article.

The one event criteria for notability has broad applicability. If you look at the Aardsma article and your draft, it's quite clear these two women are not notable in the Wikipedia sense. It's a sorry thing, but cannot be seen as Wikipedia placing more worth on one than the other. The notability criteria are expressly there to avoid Wikipedia having to make any such value judgment.

Your interest in this article being published, to – as you say – have the information on these cases "out there", is contrary to Wikipedia's core principle of covering notable subjects. Wikipedia's ongoing value to its users is dependent on adhering to its core principles.

As to how you have been treated here, these long waits for review with very short answers that perhaps seem cryptic to you as an aspiring contributor, I can only apologize. On Wikipedia, creating a new, acceptable, article is one of the hardest tasks there is. We don't do enough to explain the requirements ahead of time and we don't spend enough time explaining in detail what you've got wrong. There are hundreds of pages of style guides, policies, and easily hundreds of thousands of past discussions about the details – nobody can master them all – and it can take a year or more for a new editor to be sufficiently fluent in all of this community knowledge to be able to successfully create whole new articles.

Coming here with a predetermined intention to create an article whose subject does not meet the notability criteria causes frustration and conflict. A lot of the time, that behavioral description applies to conflict-of-interest editors who hope to use Wikipedia to further their own goals, promote a business, or campaign for an idea or viewpoint. The barriers of the review process have been erected, piecemeal in some cases, to protect the project from these efforts – but the sad fallout is that many would-be contributors are turned off and turned away without quite understanding the Wikipedia philosophy. Contrasting with the anyone can edit invitation, there is an editorial control process in place that tends to look unwelcoming and uninviting.

So, I offer my personal encouragement to contribute by working on other articles in your area of interest. Your work on Holly Branagan is not lost, but unless something happens to the case that causes it to become much more written about in the press, it will remain unpublished here. You could possibly scratch your itch to publish on EverybodyWiki, where your article in its current form would be welcomed. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi jmcgnh, thank you so much for your quick response. It's much better getting a denial with long written helpful tips and it's very much appreciated. For now, I'll go ahead and take your advice on EverybodyWiki to get my first article published and go from there. Thank you again.

Draft:Murder of Holly Branagan concern

Hi there, I'm HasteurBot. I just wanted to let you know that Draft:Murder of Holly Branagan, a page you created, has not been edited in 5 months. The Articles for Creation space is not an indefinite storage location for content that is not appropriate for articlespace.

If your submission is not edited soon, it could be nominated for deletion. If you would like to attempt to save it, you will need to improve it.

You may request Userfication of the content if it meets requirements.

If the deletion has already occured, instructions on how you may be able to retrieve it are available at WP:REFUND/G13.

Thank you for your attention. HasteurBot (talk) 01:23, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Murder of Holly Branagan

Hello, FrankyCentaur. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Murder of Holly Branagan".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:57, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Murder of Holly Branagan

Hello, FrankyCentaur. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Murder of Holly Branagan".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ƏXPLICIT 06:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)