User talk:Funcrunch/MOS-NB draft

On "use context" line

Note that I am not entirely comfortable with the line "Use context to determine which name or names to provide on a case-by-case basis", which could lead to unnecessary deadnaming of subjects who did not gain notability prior to their transitions. But I included the line to mirror the current wording in the MOS-TW and MOS-TM templates. Funcrunch (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

Feedback on draft

Three comments:

1. Should it be "nonbinary-identified" or "nonbinary-identifying"? The former seems as if it might preclude self-identification, but I might be wrong.
2. "...singular they pronouns, which are acceptable for use on Wikipedia." Not sure if it's worth saying, but they're acceptable for use in lots of other places, too. Let's not pretend to be cutting-edge!
3. The last part of the last sentence—I'd suggest changing it from "please report the issue to WT:LGBT or, in the case of living nonbinary people, to WP:BLPN" to "please note the issue at WT:LGBT or, in the case of living or recently deceaaed nonbinary people, report it to WP:BLPN". The first change because we may want to avoid implying that a WikiProject is an official noticeboard, the second change per the scope of BLT. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 20:10, 24 May 2017 (UTC)

@Rivertorch: Thanks for the feedback! My replies:

1. As a trans person I personally prefer to avoid using "identity" language at all, as from my perspective, all people identify; you either identify with the gender you were assigned at birth, or you don't. However, this gets into sensitive territory where people start getting accused of WP:ADVOCACY, so to avoid that I just used the language that is most typical for trans folks, "-identfied".

2. I agree, I just pointed out that singular they is accepted here to address the people who complain that it's ungrammatical. To date there is no policy that explicitly states it is either required or forbidden; the closest guideline is the essay Wikipedia:Gender-neutral language which currently states "There is no Wikipedia consensus either for or against the singular they."

3. I just copied the reporting language straight from the MOS-TW template for parity. I agree that it should probably be changed, in all relevant MOS templates, to avoid the appearance that WP:LGBT Studies is a noticeboard.

Funcrunch (talk) 23:30, 24 May 2017 (UTC)