User talk:FunkyFly/Archive2

Signature shop

Thanks for visiting. The conversation has continued inside the shop...And still continues with a solution... NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Former User Curiously Koo-kooed And Self-identifies Supermodel

Yeah, I created a subpage in my userpage, while trying to cure my schizophrenia. Feel free to browse it. BTW, great FunkyStalin animated gif!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL.Man, the photo of Stalin is very funny!:) --Hectorian 23:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The collapse of Yugoslavia and the future prospects of the Macedonian literary language

Seems interesting to see the situation from another point of view, a couple of general complaints. One, anti-language [1] is a specific linguistic term which refers to a language created by a group (anti-society) against society. Think prison slang, thieves cant etc. He misuses this term. Secondly he states that the language was standardised on a "peripheral dialect group", I'm fairly sure that this isn't the case. The language was standardised from the west-central group, which is the most populous group within the borders of the RoM. He also states such things as "no dialectical boundary to separate Bulgaria from Macedonia", without mentioning that this is the case in most of the world. The whole dialect continuum thing. I agree with approximately 8 out of his 14 points — one free revert if you can guess which ones ;) PS. The url posted by FS was pretty funny :) - FrancisTyers 23:47, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

He might have a point with anti-language, in a broader sense. Think Bulgarian = suspected criminal.  /FunkyFly.talk_   01:49, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

How generous of you, 1 free revert. At least you agree with something from it.  /FunkyFly.talk_   00:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Moldovenism

I think you should look at this article. You may think of better ways of phrasing "Macedonism". --Telex 16:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Right, however that is the idea, the end goal if you will of the doctrine. Using the self-identifying principle Macedonism officially is nothing more but the study of the language. I do not have any info on Moldovenism and what it studies, but I'll have to look it up, most likely is just the language.  /FunkyFly.talk_   16:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually I thought you were refering to the Macedonian therminology. Yes, something along the lines of Moldovenism also applies to Macedonism. A lot of edit warring potential exists.  /FunkyFly.talk_   17:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

FF, you've got mail. --Telex 23:31, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Category Deletion

Please visit [2] and weigh in!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 17:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I wont vote cause I'm not competent in this dispute.  /FunkyFly.talk_   18:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

FF, have you ever seen this emblem before? --Telex 19:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

It's a real monster. The double-headed eagle is from the flag of Montenegro. The crowned lion is Bulgarian, the Vergina star and the Ionic base - Greek, the winged horse - God knows from where that is. Fantastic!  /FunkyFly.talk_   01:10, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

It's actually from here.  /FunkyFly.talk_   01:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Those guys should be graphic designers or something, they are good, and have some imagination.  /FunkyFly.talk_   19:08, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you think they're all the same person, or are extremely closely related (or have been subject to the same outside influences/propaganda). --Telex 19:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

By the way what do you think of this one Image:Makedonska kamenica flag.gif? It is part of an article. Copyvio maybe?  /FunkyFly.talk_   19:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it's made up - the Vergina Sun is reserved by Greece and the only state that can (legally) use now it is Greece (as it was discovered in Greece). This suspicion is further reinforced by the fact that is does not appear on the website. I think it was created using Microsoft Paint, by Vlatko, and then copypasted the emblem from the old FYROM flag. Some people are living in a dream. --Telex 19:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

BTW I think you should add [3] to your watchlist - we know whose it is. --Telex 19:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed it. His cookie must have expired before he logged on today.  /FunkyFly.talk_   19:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Makedonska Kamenica municipality

Why should I, realy I do not play such games like "others" do, I created not the flag, I for first saw it a few days ago when I searched for Makedonska Kamenica municipality simbol(s). Check this link too [4]. Vlatko 19:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

The official site of the municipality does not have this flag, so it's not official.  /FunkyFly.talk_   17:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Also would you mind explaining to me if you "created not" the flag, the why are you putting a free licence for the image? Have you obtained permission for the issuing site?  /FunkyFly.talk_   17:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

It was just an inertion mestake, could happen to everyone. The official site and the official document are two different things, at least I have sites where it is pointed so. You, where is your prove that the flag should be removed.Vlatko 20:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the same way this insertion mistake happened approximately 67 times with all the images you uploaded.  /FunkyFly.talk_   18:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Looks like the user was blocked. Is there anything else that needs doing? Jkelly 19:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Question

It seems that Makedonec found my hidden information (he'd missed it), and removed it. Tell me, was it grammatically correct? If it wasn't I'll be relieved it has been removed. If it was, I'll be trying to sneak it back in ;-) --Telex 23:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I dont think it's quite correct, but I can't help you with it either. Dialects sometimes give me headaches.  /FunkyFly.talk_   23:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

--Telex 23:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

That thing

Done. - FrancisTyers 20:16, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch.  /FunkyFly.talk_   20:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: User:85.91.128.141

Apologies, busy at the moment, I'll try to get to it if someone else doesn't. RadioKirk talk to me 02:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks.  /FunkyFly.talk_   02:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Bulgarian grammar

Could you see Talk:Macedonian language#Future tense - we need help from someone who knows Bulgarian. --Telex 18:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Goce Delchev

I'll deal with it, but in future you should be warning the user. Use templates such as {{3rr}}. - FrancisTyers 01:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Point taken.  /FunkyFly.talk_   01:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL :) Thats a classic :) - FrancisTyers 08:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I think you are referring to the CAPITALIZED passage right?  /FunkyFly.talk_   14:52, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment

What do you think of this little issue we have here?  /FunkyFly.talk_   01:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Please do read this [5]. There was a consensus version of this article worked out by Modi, VMORO and me, until Funky step in, and destroyed it without citing any source for his edits, purely on the basis of original research and stubborn POVing (although, at some point he seemed to agree with the compromise version [6] ). This was done in numerous other articles concerning Macedonian history, one of them being Jane Sandanski. Please investigate the matter. Regards. --FlavrSavr 02:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

With no sources? Like the BMARC statue does not say it clearly enough who can join? Consensus is not binding my friend administrator in mk.wiki, as facts are discovered things change. All the original research is actually putting labels such as Macedonian purely on the basis that the people were born in Macedonia. On the other hand there is historical evidence - documents of organizations and quotes, in which they refer to themselves as Bulgarian. See Macedonism.  /FunkyFly.talk_   02:21, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

By the way, you might want to add that to your CAPITALIZED collection.  /FunkyFly.talk_   02:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I find the passage "EVERY STUPID JERK CAN WRITE HIS OWN VERSION" particularly hilarious.  /FunkyFly.talk_   02:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

My capitalized collection? What the hell are you talking about? Anyway, I have no time to waste with you for now. The BMARC argument was used by VMORO as well, and if you cared to actually read some of the discussions, you might have realized that it wasn't particularly convincing, given the fact that many people who were definitely not Bulgarian were members of IMARO (btw, even the most radical Bulgarian nationalists use IMARO or IMRO, instead of italicized BMARC), such as Pitu Guli (an ethnic Vlach). The only difference is that you practically bullied your own POV into the articles, ignoring every other arguments, to the extent that you have brilliantly concluded that Pitu Guli was a Bulgarian. --FlavrSavr 22:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I was talking to Francis about the capitalized note. He might be Aromanian, true but he is clearly part of a Bulgarian organization, whose statute says only Bulgarians can be members. So, you are claiming the statute did not matter, it was a piece of paper? If it was just a piece of paper then how can you claim it was aiming for the independence of Macedonia in the first place and not something else? Being selective again Mr. mk.wiki admin?  /FunkyFly.talk_   22:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

The BMARC statute probably existed at some point, but it is only the Bulgarian POV that it covered the timespan between 1893 and 1902. There is also a SMARO constitution which is to be found in the British Foreign Office which is dated under 1898 - PRO. - FO 78/4951. Turkey (Bulgaria). From Elliot. 1898; УСТАВ НА ТМОРО. S.I. Moreover, as far as I know, modern neutral observers do not regard him as a Bulgarian, nor the IMARO (at its beginnings) as a Bulgarian organization, see Britannica: IMRO (not BMARC!) secret revolutionary society that operated in the late 19th and early 20th centuries to make Macedonia an autonomous state but that later became an agent serving Bulgarian interests in Balkan politics. Notice the but part. However, I'll leave the best parts for some time in the future, I really don't have the time to funk with Stalin now. --FlavrSavr 22:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

About the other SMARO you are claiming, do you also have data who participated in that organization, was it the same people that signed the BMARC statute or were they different?  /FunkyFly.talk_   23:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

The name IMRO was not adopted before 1920. BMARC however was founded in 1893, its statute was adopted in 1896. Either way, the name of the organization initially contained Bulgarian. Aren't you being a little too selective with Britannica, since you are denying the 1911 census data? IMRO is the final name of the organization, which is common use in English, something Britannica forgets to mention somehow. SMORO (ТМОРО) was not established before 1902. Basically all the revolutionaries you claim as "Macedonian" spent most of their years under BMARC.  /FunkyFly.talk_   22:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to revert me, but I think its a reasonable compromise. A certain percentage of the people who actually care about his "ethnic identity" think he is a Macedonian, the other lot think he is a Bulgarian. Everyone else just wants the whole argument to go away. He was Macedonian because he was from Macedonia. He was Bulgarian because Macedonian as an ethnicity didn't exist at that time. Blah blah blah blah blah. I got roped into another discussion about Saints Cyril and Methodius or whatever if they were Greek or Bulgarian or Slav or whatever. It doesn't matter. Why not just accept that someone can be as many ethnicities at once as they want. - FrancisTyers 23:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

"He was Macedonian because he was from Macedonia". That sounds like pure Macedonism to me. You are mixing geographical location with ethnicity. One might be born in England, but that does not make him less Bulgarian, if he's reared in Bulgarian family. It's the self determination that matters, and that's exactly what the dispute is about. The article clearly says he's born in Macedonia, so let the reader decide how that determines ethnicity, if at all. Also, if I may push it further, you are violating the descriptive principle of Wikipedia by prescribing nationality.  /FunkyFly.talk_   23:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I just don't care enough to argue, I mean I'd like to see if you can possibly understand the other sides point of view, but it seems not. I really don't get why his "ethnic identity" is so important to you guys. Go ahead and edit war all you want. - FrancisTyers 23:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, for one understanding means being properly sourced, which in this case is not. And I dont expect you to care much about the problem, but rather follow established principles.  /FunkyFly.talk_   23:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Macedonism

About the article you wrote about macedonism, isn't conformistiic? Macedonism can be understood with lots of meanings, not only the bulgarian one.--->>><<< 12:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes but any other suggestions? How is the Republican definition different and more important of the current one?  /FunkyFly.talk_   14:51, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sugesting you to go in Macedonia and convince you in the stupidities you write, and if you do not understand the term conformism than read a little. It is just no point to write under the Article Macedonism just the bulgarian undertanding. There are more than one.--->>><<< 17:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

And this question, Was Pitu Guli Bulgarian or an Aromanian?Macedonian it is not.--->>><<< 17:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

He was in BMARC, read the statute.  /FunkyFly.talk_   15:21, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes he was, But he was not macedonian nor bulgarian, he was aromanian, admit that you made a mestake in the article of Pitu Guli.--->>><<< 17:34, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Did you read article 3 of the statute?  /FunkyFly.talk_   15:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

By the way I see no problem with Aromanian and Bulgarian, like I dont see a problem with Slav and Bulgarian, Slav and Macedonian or Gypsy and Bulgarian/Macedonian for that matter. You have to respect his self-id.  /FunkyFly.talk_   15:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

British degree classification

More you don't know the UK system rather than me not knowing the US system ;) Unofficial scales, but reflect the point quite well. [7] It is very rare to get above 70-80%. - FrancisTyers 23:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I once did (only once though :-() --Telex 23:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Haha, the space reserved for geniuses - 80%-100%.  /FunkyFly.talk_   23:59, 26 May 2006 (UTC)