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Explanation of block please Comment

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Hi @TonyBallioni: I am willing to work through what got me blocked. While I understand the personal attacks portion, I am requesting that you please explain to me how I am blocked under WP:CIR, please? Thanks, Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 17:27, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi, gladly. So you were given what amounts to a final warning by Nick here. I don't feel like I need to repeat the events that led to that or occurred before that. Since then you did the following:

When some of these were brought up to you, you reacted with anger, derision, and personal attacks. Your response to being blocked is to blame me, and admin who can't remember ever interacting with you before blocking you, of misuing my tools in blocking for what is a pretty straightforward situation and attempt to start an ArbCom case over an ordinary block. While I suppose I am involved since I would be a party to said case, I can say fairly certainly that virtually any other administrator who reviews those threats will treat them as evidence that you aren't here to work on a collaborative project.

Ultimately, that is what this comes down to: you have received warnings and either not abided by them, moved on to other areas and started causing issues, or attacked the people who issued them. Once you were blocked, you attacked people who have no animosity towards you but were simply acting in an uninvolved manner. Someone with competency issues and anger issues is pretty much the definition of someone who is not capable of working on a collaborative project. If it were just one, then maybe we could have this as a topic ban or one week block. The problem is that it is both. When you have both problems it becomes a "not compatible for work on a collaborative project" block, and those are indefinite until you can convince the community you have changed as a person. TonyBallioni (talk) 23:41, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: Thank you for pointing those out, please see my responses below:

Item 1 & 2 - When it came up on my screen I did not investigate as to when it was created and I regularly report any user page that has email or websites on it. I apologize for using the G11 template and to ThatMontrealIP for the way in which I treated them.

Items 3 & 4 - One did not have the complete code and the other did not have it at all. Both editors stated they had a COI and per the policy on WP:COI states I can do this by stating Note that someone else may add this for you. which is what I did which does not violate any policy. So this should be a moot point.

Item 5 - I was unaware I even did this as I was putting the welcome script on but I just added the auto archive script (.js) I found (same with the auto reply by enterprisy(sp?). I must have type in yes to add auto archive which I accept fault for.

I am going to ask you to strike out your comment above about me having a competency issue as that is a personal attack against me and I am far from it. I stated numerous times about me being involved in the project, my plans for the project were publicly posted and not one person ever said anything about it. Two days after the ANI was closed someone came down on me “like a ton of bricks” about WP:OWN. I also explained that I didn’t put the OMBOXES on all the pages to the project but I did put one on the Articles Recorded page. I was very nice to the user and even asked if there was a better way to word it. I did not complain about the take down or anything. However, that editor never responded until the very end with a brief statement and never even answered my question. That entire conversation with ToBeFree was very cordial and I even researched the edit filter and requested it as they suggested. This conversation is in my archives.

There was an issue with Ponyo, who inserted their POV into the conversation of a) everything had been addressed with TBF and b) accusing me of not following what I said I would do. So yes I got terse once again with them.

Ponyo - “You ran into significant issues with your involvement is GOCE and have now moved on to another project where you are showing major WP:OWN issues. This is concerning. I understand that Nick closed the AN/I thread as it had petered out, but just two days later you are asserting yourself in a role that you don't have the editing competence to fulfill. There is a very large gap between your desire to help and your ability to do so constructively”

My response “Sure if you say so. I haven’t been involved with GOCE since then. I accepted the feedback given above. I don’t have any showing of WP:OWN. I’m seeking feedback on ways to get people to join the project. Unfortunately that appears to be frowned upon too. WTF gives with you people? I don’t even know who the f*** you are but now you are on the prowl against me and the admin who had the issue hasn’t engaged in discussion yet with me but you make it a point to bring up shit that has been dealt and done with. Keep your POV to yourself I don’t want to read it. I’ve been doing everything on this project constructively and have seeked input and gotten it from across the board from numerous people and it went from no one participating to 5 people currently recording and one person has done a couple already including for today’s FA. So yeah. I’m not being constructive at all. I know I don’t own the project it is community based and participation is voluntary. Btw I have had this role since day one after seeking out questions and it was brought up numerous times during the ANI but since you appear to be seeking out ways to further damage me, maybe you missed the 4 or so times it was mentioned”

Yes my wording was not the best to say the least, however, my point is in there and this has been a consistent issue. I have done a lot of good things on Wikipedia with CV, and since the first ANI, I started working on redesigning the project of which one particular person had an issue with me doing and by them mentioning GOCE tells me they have followed me since my first week which is ok. But not once have they given any valuable feedback. All of their posts to me (or about me) were to come down on me and point out all the “wrong” I was doing and not once have they ever given any advice to help better me which is why I am not nice to them. This is not what should be expected of an admin. After the issue with Spoken Audio I just let it be, learned AutoWikiBrowser and WPCleaner and just started in on those articles. I also looked at edit requests and started those and if I could not make a solid decision that I felt confident about I left it for someone else to do. There were also some article talk pages (hence me finding the auto archive script) that had 60-200 posts on them so I set those to auto archive to help clean them up as part of WP:Bold.

Lastly, to address the recent ANI. I was working with TMIP and trying to resolve this when another user (not an admin) basically paraphrased the exact same thing TMIP states but then ended it with a) bringing up the old ANI and b) stating “you are on very thin ice”. While I could see that as a threat I didn’t, however, had they had something different to say it would have been accepted. If you look at the conversation you can see the resemblance. So to me this was serving as WP:Bait and I took it. That is why I was brought to ANI. There is a right way to be helpful and there is a wrong way and then there is a down right not here to help. Everything as of late seems to fall into the last 2 with a few exceptions.

These statements are in no way to really be used as excuses but to show why I did something with my rationale as to why I did them. I hope that you understand this. I have not opened any other cases. I apologize for saying you are misusing your tools but I feel like admins should look at all aspects and take them all into account and not just focus on the bad things or what the experienced editors or other admins say. Yes I’m on the newer side but I am still a human and deserve to be treated like one. Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 03:49, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

I haven't read any of this, as it is far too long to respond to. I've already explained my block reasoning and explained my reasoning under WP:ADMINACCT. If you wish to appeal again you may by following the instructions at WP:GAB. I would suggest an appeal 80-90% smaller or otherwise its likely to be declined without anyone reading it. If you don't follow that advice, your talk page access is likely to be revoked. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:53, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: Thank you for proving my point that admins just don’t care about what a “newbie” has to say and blowing them off. This was not an unblock request but figuring out how I “supposedly” violated something that you blocked me for but since you can’t even answer that. Take care as I’ve said enough and my point about admins has been proven. Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 04:50, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Galendalia, you are still failing to understand why you have been blocked. TonyBallioni has pointed out the reasons you have been blocked, and you literally respond in the same narcissistic tone that had you blocked in the first place. I personally (though this is just my opinion) don't agree with Praxidicae's statement claiming you are not here to build an encyclopaedia, as you have made some positive contributions, but the only reason that any order can be maintained on an encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, is that you must accept mistakes! I can understand you feel like you've been ganged upon, it's a horrible feeling, I've been in the same situation before, but the way you deal with these situations is to deal with it and move on. If you want to get unblocked, maybe instead of denying all the claims against you, accept them, and move on. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 07:49, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

@Berrely: Thanks. He (not the user who said it in the ANI) has/have not answered why I’ve been blocked under WP:CIR and why he is calling me incompetent and he refuses to answer or provide an example. I admitted my mistakes in the above bit and I refuse to apologize to those who have come at me without ever once trying to help me out and instead just piled on me as all is mentioned above. WP:CIR is a serious accusation and without him providing proof is a serious breach of being an admin and the fact of the other things I am being accused of, I have shown my reasoning (very sufficiently and pointed to the policy) as to why I did it, however I still got blocked. I apologized for the ones that needed an apology. He even stated he’s not going to read it just like no one read my statements in the ANI and I got blocked. Sucks but oh well. Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 08:00, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Galendalia, If you read here in the essay, you'll see it says

the ability to communicate with other editors and abide by consensus.

the ability to understand their own abilities and competencies, and avoid editing in areas where their lack of skill and/or knowledge causes them to create significant errors for others to clean up.

I understand you may not agree with some of the things said, but please read the policies that are linked as this is clearly what TonyBallioni is referring to. I have often disagreed with other editors, but I considered the circumstances and I thought it wasn't worth the fight. In this case Tony has outlined policies that he thinks you are breaking, and it is fine for you to disagree with him, no one is saying you can't have your own opinion, but in this case TonyBallioni is clearly right on the WP:CIR. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 08:07, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

On the first one yes no debate there; 2nd point nope because I didn’t cause any significant damage that caused people to have to clean up after me. This was the wrong template being added. Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 08:10, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Galendalia, the second line is a fine example of what has happened; you have been overambitious. While it is encouraged to WP:BEBOLD it also says here to not go over the top. You've been here for 3 months, I've been here for 2 years and yet you've managed to get more edits than me. You trying to revive a Wikiproject after only 1 month on Wikipedia, not even having contributed a spoken recording to it. You prioritise quantity over quality, making many edits and often making mistakes. When users ask you in good faith, as they believe you are a more experienced editor, you use a harsh tone and start biting them instead of explaining what has happened. I probably couldn't take on the take on the task of reviving and "coordinating" a Wikiproject with over 3000 recordings, and likely neither could you. You are being too bold. You may not have caused significant errors yet, but you are on the path to doing so. I'm very sorry for being this harsh, I honestly hated writing this, but please listen to what other users have to say, and not just deny everything. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 08:22, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

As far as I’m concerned the block can stay. I’ve been medically cleared to go back to work so I’m just waiting to see where they put me and it looks like it will be downtown so I won’t have time to be on here anymore anyways. Cheers Galendalia Talk to me ^{CVU Graduate} 08:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Galendalia, I hope you come back, I honestly do. As was said earlier. Take a break, lean back from Wikipedia. And, if you do come back, make small edits, not huge ones. I wish you the best.— Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 08:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

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