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As the World Turns

So what are exactly the issues with this article? It's hard to justify the maintenance of a tag on top of an article when we don't have any exemples or justification left on the article's talk page. Farine (talk) 08:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to explain this: this article may contain original research because the source is itself the show possibly. The show is the primary source, and the secondary, third-party, and/or independent sources must verify any entry that are consisted. If it doesn't contain original research, the sources are too insufficient to verify all the entries consisted in this article. How important are theme sequences, according to non-primary sources? Are sources active or inactive? Why should this article consist of any entry? How relevant is any entry? --George Ho (talk) 08:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Then if you find any inappropriate content, by all means, place a citation tag next to need it or just delete the troubled content. But that awful template on top of the article is really akward for an article that does not seems to have much issues as far as I'm concerned. The only primary sources I see on the article is the location where the show was taped which is perfectly acceptable as per WP:PRIMARY

...Let's talk more at Talk:As the World Turns. --George Ho (talk) 09:06, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Paul Sutera

Repost from here:

I wonder if this person is notable. He portrayed Peter Brady in Brady Bunch movies. Nevertheless, this was PRODded; I proposed a PROD. I attempted WP:REFUND, but someone figured that I never intended to have this article undeleted. --George Ho (talk) 12:00, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

There might be enought reliable source material to mainain a stand alone article. Here's one[1]. Here's another[2]. Rewrite the article using these and other sources and they'll have to send the article to AfD, where you may get a better outcome. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 04:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Best o luck. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 04:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Courcelles

George, I haven't had much to do with Courcelles, but his talk page indicates he might not be around for health reasons. Maybe Magog, or Fastily - they are admins, and they probably wouldn't feel too involved, even though they are on the mentor list. Begoon ^talk 08:34, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

This is a good edit

[3]

You might find this very old conversation interesting. Begoon ^talk 04:21, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Krystal Carey

George, are you responsible for User:Fastily deleting the Krystal Carey article? If so, exactly what state was this article in before it was deleted? Last time I looked at that (former) article (maybe a year ago, at the beginning of 2011 maybe), I did not see so little material in it that it merited Wikipedia:CSD#A1. If this article was tagged for some type of deletion, the WP:SOAPS project should have been notified. Right now, since the article is no more, some of the material that was in it should at least be merged to List of All My Children characters, because this was no minor character, and Krystal Carey Chandler should redirect to Krystal Carey. Flyer22 (talk) 06:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I didn't request that, and I'm not solely responsible for its deleted. I just merely requested {{copyvio-revdel}}, that's all. I don't know how it got deleted as A1 criteria. I'll ask for undeletion at WP:REFUND. --George Ho (talk) 06:08, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for explaining. We should probably ask Fastily why it was deleted first. Flyer22 (talk) 06:14, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Flyer22

George, I saw you posted there. I was tempted to post myself, but I decided there was already enough confusion there. I think it's best to leave the situation to users with tools, like Amalthea, who's already aware of the situation. There's not much to gain by posting in such a confused situation, as far as I can see. All I'd be able to do is speculate, anyway, and that's not useful. This is just FYI, by the way, I'm not asking you to do/undo or not do anything... :-) Begoon ^talk 06:37, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Why I removed your thread at AN

George, there's a lot of Checkuser stuff we can't see, a lot of personal stuff that's been revdel'd, and some really strong emotions involved. I really, really don't think this is a matter for AN, or even an individual admin to review. I suggest this be closed, and a note be left on Flyer's talk page to contact WP:BASC. This seems above our (admins in general) paygrade.

Do yuo mind if I take that approach instead? --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:43, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't mind. In fact, just be bold about this. Let me know if you want me to add that notice back in WP:AN. In fact, I don't know how to address this professionally there. --George Ho (talk) 00:48, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks, I'll add a note to Flyer's talk page, and suggest we don't post to WP:AN. Thanks for caring. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:51, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

To clarify (I saw your post to Flyer's talk page), I don't think "we" should take it to BASC, I think Flyer and/or her family member should take it to BASC. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:10, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

George - thank you for that. It really is best for us not to try to "address" this at all, right now. We don't have all the facts, and a discussion on a "drama board" could do real damage if personal information is involved. All we could do would be to speculate, and that isn't going to help right now.

What's important is not to do anything that might hurt or embarrass anyone, and the best way we can help Flyer is to hope she contacts BASC as recommended. Hopefully that way the situation will get resolved professionally, as you (and everyone) desire.

Thanks for helping the situation. Begoon ^talk 01:04, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Folks, just to let you know I have also been advising the "family member" IP editor to contact WP:BASC rather than taking it to various Talk pages. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 01:06, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Some photos you might like to see and use

• File:Rod Serling dictating script 1959.jpg
• File:Rod Serling relaxing at home 1959.JPG
• File:Rod Serling with daughters 1959.jpg
• File:Rod and Carol Serling at home 1959.jpg
• File:Rod Serling Inger Stevens Serling model airplane collection 1960.JPG
• File:Rod Serling photo portrait 1959.JPG  :-) We hope (talk) 01:36, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Princess Irene of the Netherlands

Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:29, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Listings at WP:CP

When listing articles at WP:CP please remember to also notify the editor who contributed the material in question. We often can't deal with listings unless this has been done. Thanks. Dpmuk (talk) 21:02, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

What are conditions that are not necessary to contact editor? --George Ho (talk) 23:12, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, the instructions suggest it should be every time but there are some cases where I'd still process the listing - other people working at WP:CP may have different ideas. Generally if it's an IP addition from some time ago and they don't appear to have edited since then I don't see the point as the IP has probably been assigned to someone else. If there is dialogue going on with the editor in question, e.g. on the talk page, then a formal notification may also not be needed as it's pretty obvious they've seen the tag. The idea of letting them know is to either get permissions sorted or to hopefully get a rewrite that's within policy. So if it's obvious they know about the listing I'll process anyway. If it's difficult to ascertain who the contributor is I'd first wonder if it might be a backwards copy, i.e. they've copied from us as copyvios are normally introduced in single obvious edits. If you're still suspicious but can't find the relevant editor (and it does happen) then leaving a note to that effect when listing will hopefully mean someone will spot it earlier and try to work it out themselves. If a listing at WP:CP is bad enough to be a G12 candidate then I'll delete under that criteria regardless of whether the editor was notified, although obviously in that case I'd have preferred the tagger to have tagged G12 rather than copyvio. Dpmuk (talk) 17:34, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

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Cheers

I saw your WT:TV note. Are you aware of Wikipedia:TV-EPISODE#Important_articles_to_be_created. Apparently "Showdown", especially part 2 is a critically acclaimed episode that we need an article for.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:24, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Also some acclaimed Frasier episodes (notably "The Matchmaker" and "The Ski Lodge") as well as several award winning Cheers seasons (especially season 9) need to be written.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:49, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I haven't watched all episodes of Frasier, so I might reconsider. I did watch the Season 1 finale of Cheers, but I figure that other episodes might be notable in the real world but not by unpublished or electronically self-published blogs or sources that may come and go. --George Ho (talk) 00:26, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Your response puzzles me. Are you saying that the award-winning episodes that I am pointing you to are unsourceable?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:31, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I didn't mean that. Well, if that episode wins awards, what if honored accolates are inserted in the Season page? If that is too long, and if the episode page is possible, then we might need critical responses about the episode. Do you have sources that, other than honor with accolates, review or analyze one episode with a POV or academic peer-review? For instance, "The Boys in the Bar" has a lot of coverage in non-primary sources, so I may create that later, but not at this time. --George Ho (talk) 00:36, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Accolades can surely be included in the season articles, but Cheers needs season articles. So far I have only tackled two articles from the list ("Pilot (The Cosby Show)" and "Hill Street Station"). Those are examples of the type of articles I am hoping a Cheers expert could create for "Showdown". I anticipate beginning work on a third article from the list ("A House Divided (Dallas)") in the very near future.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:55, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I do care about Wikipedia, but I cannot find a way to explain readers that I have to do chores, so my time on Wikipedia may be affected. --George Ho (talk) 00:58, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

All I am saying is that if you intend to organize an effort to do a lot of work on Cheers and Frasier, there are a few things that might be high priority. Given that you have been spending a lot of time on Cheers-related article, it would make sense for me to point these out as articles that would be worth spending a some time on. We need award-winning articles created. If you are going to be spending time on Cheers related articles, please consider these articles that have won a lot of awards. Creating them will give us links for all kinds of other articles and templates (writers, directors, XXth award ceremony, Category specific award article, etc.).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:29, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

What does "Empty this section if must" mean?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:55, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Blanking the section, including the template. --George Ho (talk) 00:58, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry.

I would like to apologize to you. I should not have said or implied you were a Troll. You seem really smart and you seem to know your stuff when it comes to pictures and photos and copyright issues. I am going to start work soon on the Betty Briderick article. It reads kind of biased to me and I would like it to read more neutral. The Betty Broderick article does not have a picture or photo of her. I think it should have a photo of her in the article. Would you like to look for one and add it to the article? You seem good at that kind of thing and I know nothing about adding or uploading photos to Wikipidedia. Would you like to add a photo to the article? Thank you and I am truly sorry about my negative comments about you. Have a good day!--BeckiGreen (talk) 19:37, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

First of all, that would be Betty Broderick, correct? Second, sometimes, BLPs are not my thing often, so, if you are interested, either you or I must report issues of that article to the BLP noticeboard. By the way, I accept your apology, although I hope we must put that behind us. --George Ho (talk) 23:11, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Templates

Don't put templates in episodes that did not win, even if it was a nominee. I just removed a template from "The Boys in the Bar".--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Nancy

You remember how you nominated Nancy Wesley for GA - I was thinking that maybe we should hold back on that for a while and withdraw. I was thinking about it earlier and feel there is more that could be done - and I never like to promote something that is unfinished. I was happy you liked it though. What do you think about that?Rain the 1 11:02, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

The article is well-written and well-organized. --George Ho (talk) 17:29, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad you think that though and thankyou for buying more time to work on it. :)Rain the 1 17:32, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

GAC

You should never have to edit WP:GAC directly. When you withdraw a nomination, you just have to edit the talk page of the article. The bot will do the rest.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:02, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Citation Barnstar

I was really impressed by how A Young Man's World made Did you know…? I was saddened and shocked to read The Guide wrote, "A Young Man's World stops short of advocating suicide at age 30, but seems to imply that it wouldn't be a bad idea." It seems too many Gays have the notion that Gay life ends at 30, and I would have never thought a review of a porn as a citation on Wikipedia would have made me realize how stupid Gay stereotypes are and how we have to live above them. It's funny, back in the mid-90's, all male porn on the internet was of Twinks. There were no sites emphasizing male secondary sex characteristics, and it seems now that what was the "anti-gay" before the 70's has now become the new Gay and Bear is now the new Twink. Thank you for your contributions to give real-life aspect to something fictitious. I award you this Barnstar. Taric25 (talk) 01:40, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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Albatross

Why was Albatross (album) moved? No talk. No indication in the move. I reverted please discuss. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:16, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Albatross (Big Wreck album) and Albatross (The Classic Crime album) are the reasons. There. --George Ho (talk) 05:20, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Album talk page next time please. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:56, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Why was Albatross (composition) moved to Albatross (Fleetwood Mac song), given that a) there's only one "Albatross" song with an article, and b) this one isn't a song, hence it had the disambiguator "composition"? Bretonbanquet (talk) 09:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, I've just seen the well-known "Big Wreck" song. But the Fleetwood Mac piece isn't a song. I'll move it. Bretonbanquet (talk) 09:50, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Second thoughts, I'll have a think about where it should be moved to. Bretonbanquet (talk) 09:52, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The One Where Rachel Smokes

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A beer for you!

Heres to working on the articles where everybody knows your name. For working hard and diligently, despite the tossed salad and scrambled eggs. For keeping the "Wings" straight and staying the course. JOJ Hutton 16:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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Cheers (season 3)

George, I love the way the article is structured, emphasising the back-stories, production and reviews. That's just how I think articles like this should look. Hope you don't mind the few little copyedits I made - very easy to do when a good structure is already there. I did realise you were expanding the episode summaries, but I made some changes to the "short ones" anyway, because it only took a few seconds, I had it open anyway, and they might look a bit better for anyone who reads it before you get round to expanding them. I wasn't ignoring you. Great work and great research you've done on the article, though - I like it a lot. Begoon ^talk 11:15, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Mr. Nader

Have a look at this. I think I remember your finding a photo of someone else from this place. You checked and it wasn't renewed-if you check, the same might be true with this one. We hope (talk) 22:14, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

More:

• dancing
• party

We hope (talk) 22:18, 13 December 2012 (UTC)