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Medium.com

I can't tell if this site qualifies as a WP:RS (esp. for BLP info)? Can you?... I can't find an "About" link anywhere, so I can't tell what kind of website this is... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:22, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: https://medium.com/about looks like a blog with all the fact checking that implies. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:24, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

OK, will tag this edit with a {{better source needed}} tag then. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:27, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Cooper Barnes (actor)

why don't you find a reliable source then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cadetrain (talk • contribs) 21:33, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

There isn't one. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:34, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

+1. Even if you want to argue that Barnes meets WP:NACTOR (and, FTR, I don't think he does), he definitely doesn't meet WP:BASIC – the guy has received basically zero WP:RS coverage. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:51, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Air date screwup with Zap2it

@IJBall and MPFitz1968: Zap2it has done something weird and changed every single air date of every single episode aired thus far to be one day earlier. For example, it's now saying that "I Dream of Danger" aired on March 22 and "The Danger Begins" aired on July 25, 2014. See here. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:14, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: I'll make note that this is the case with other series (Andi Mack, Bizaardvark, Coop & Cami, and even Sam & Cat and Girl Meets World - the ones I looked up), all marked with one day earlier than we have it at Wikipedia, so this is definitely a site-wide problem. (Amazon has been putting one-day earlier dates on episodes for a while now.) The Futon Critic appears to still have the dates we have put up here. But if this is a permanent matter at Zap2it, it sure will become harder to combat date vandalism on the various TV articles. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:30, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: See related discussion at User talk:Geraldo Perez/Archive 8#Game Shakers on Amazon Looks like Amazon has recently updated their layout, however, and now dates are correct, including those of Game Shakers—"Scared Tripless" is now correctly showing October 24, 2015, for example, instead of October 23, 2015—Henry Danger, and the series you mentioned above. Take a look around. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:08, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Andi Mack

Moved from User talk:IJBall § Andi Mack

See page history. We seem to have an issue with the recent editor who edited the article lately. The general problem here is their known WP:PREVIEW and WP:EDITSUMMARY issues. I left them a note here, but they later blanked the page here, which they have the right per WP:BLANK, but it's obvious they either didn't read it or are just not bothering as they failed again earlier. And I'm not the only one with these concerns. See User talk:Amaury/2019#Edit summaries. They also reintroduced the LGBT category here and pointed to the Talk:Andi Mack#The LGBT category discussion, but I'll leave the decision on whether that should be reverted or not to you. Note, though, that they and another editor are the only ones who supported it back in February, but that does not seem to be overwhelming consensus. And for something like this, overwhelming consensus to include it is probably needed, in my opinion. I was neutral as I was only asking if it was time, following the episode "One in a Minyan."

I don't know if this is something that warrants something like WP:ANI, at least not yet, and I don't necessarily really want to drag them there; however, I think I kind of agree with the observation made in that linked to discussion in my archives that there's some ownership. When I removed the size parameter for the image on the parent article because I thought it was too big, they were quick to revert it. I discussed this with IJBall at User talk:IJBall/Archive 21#Image size? and it seemed defining the size was correct, but they still should have followed proper procedures and started a discussion on the talk page first. Ownership of articles can drive people away, and it's why I just left Champions and don't have anything outside of the Nickelodeon and Disney Channel articles on my watchlist in general.

Pinging MPFitz1968 as well on this for thoughts. This doesn't apply to just Andi Mack or its respective episode list page, but I don't have any interest in whatever else they watch. Amaury (talk | contribs) 18:22, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: I don't follow the series so don't have any informed opinion on this. I do tend to avoid LGBT discussions as they become heated and political far to quickly but given Wikipedia culture I expect ownership claims that some series with any sort of LGBT content be categorized as such to be supported by any attempt at wider dispute resolution or mediation or RfC. If someone is pushing for this it is likely they will eventually prevail. As for image size see WP:IMAGESIZE MOS:UPRIGHT and don't specify a size as that is a user preference we shouldn't override but use upright if it has fine detail that is hard to see at normal width so you want it to display wider than normal to see that detail. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:45, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

...and don't specify a size as that is a user preference we shouldn't override... Late reply, but are you saying the 400px shouldn't be there and no size should be defined? That's kind of worded odd, so just double checking. I think you're saying 400px is a user preference we shouldn't be using, but then you say we shouldn't override it, so I'm just a little confused. ...but use upright if it has fine detail that is hard to see at normal width so you want it to display wider than normal to see that detail... And I'm a little confused there as well. If people want to see a bigger version, all they have to do is click on the thumbnail to enlarge it and see the finer details? How do you determine "fine detail"? As you can probably tell, this isn't my forte, which is why I'm coming to you. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:00, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: 220px is default thumbnail size but that can be changed as a user option (user preferences/appearance/Thumbnail size) for people who like larger images in general. Forcing a size overrides whatever the user wants as a preference, say the user likes 500px thumbnails, specifying 400px makes it smaller for that user. The recommended way to make things larger is to use "upright" which is just a scaling factor. Instead of specifying 400px expecting the default 220px specify upright=2 to scale it twice as wide, if that is what is wanted. 1.5 might be better though. Usually we are supposed to take the user defaults unless there is a very good reason to force a larger (or smaller) image on the user. MOS:UPRIGHT recommends 1.3 for images with fine detail and that seems reasonable. Geraldo Perez (talk)

Got it. So instead of [[File:Andi Mack.png|thumb|right|400px|'''L–R:''' Buffy Driscoll ([[Sofia Wylie]]), [[Cyrus Goodman]] ([[Joshua Rush]]), and Andi Mack ([[Peyton Elizabeth Lee]]), in the pilot episode of the series, "[[List of Andi Mack episodes#ep1|Tomorrow Starts Today]]".]] it should be [[File:Andi Mack.png|thumb|upright=1.3|'''L–R:''' Buffy Driscoll ([[Sofia Wylie]]), [[Cyrus Goodman]] ([[Joshua Rush]]), and Andi Mack ([[Peyton Elizabeth Lee]]), in the pilot episode of the series, "[[List of Andi Mack episodes#ep1|Tomorrow Starts Today]]".]]? Is that right? Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:36, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: Yes and justify it per MOS:UPRIGHT. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:41, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done: [1]. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:46, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Small watchlist cleanup

@IJBall and MPFitz1968: Of the pages listed at User:Amaury/sandbox#Reference Maintenance, I plan on removing some of those from my watchlist, but if you watch them and WP:DE flares up, let me know. Or if you want me to keep watching them for some reason, just let me know here. Here is what I will be removing:

• Big City Greens
• Bug Juice: My Adventures at Camp
• Crashletes
• Keep It Spotless
• The Dude Perfect Show
• The Loud House
• List of The Loud House episodes

Those in bold I don't even watch or watch regularly. Otherwise, it's because the series are over and they weren't a super big interest, which can also intertwine with the bold ones. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:00, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

What qualifies to be a note?

Relevant article to this discussion is Coop & Cami Ask the World. Ping IJBall as well. The last three episodes are all connected, as the last two episodes that have aired have a "to be continued" at the end. Is that something that would qualify as a note? Something like "this episode continues from the events in X." Or is that generally trivial? Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:11, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: I'd say leave it out, particularly as a note. We kind of expect TV series to have connected episodes with different length arcs for some stories. That looks more like a teaser. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:22, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

I dunno – I think 'noting' that an episode ends on a "To Be Continued" is not unreasonable... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:39, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

If you do add it, put it as the last part of the summary, not as a note. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:26, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Need a second opinion...

But, none of any of this from today looks any good. In addition to their continued WP:DE at Jennie Jacques, pay special attention to the edit at Adrienne Ellis. As I said – none of this looks good. If this is the same IP that's been behind the disruption Jennie Jacques... well, I'm not sure, but something probably needs to be done, which will be difficult as this editor is not at a steady IP. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 19:56, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/G.-M. Cupertino Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:28, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

OK – I've already been tangling with this one at Danielle Savre... Is it safe to simply revert this one on sight, citing User:G.-M. Cupertino? That's what I've been doing at Danielle Savre. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:30, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Yeah, I'm pretty sure its him. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:32, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Adult rabbits

E.B. from Hop and Judy Hopps from Zootopia are young adult rabbits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1009:B067:64C0:C476:AC57:9B48:9BFA (talk) 20:46, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Aidan Gallagher

@IJBall and MPFitz1968: I've re-added this BLP to my watchlist, as there's been an enormous amount of vandalism today. Just happened to notice it after my last revert on Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:34, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Salma Hayek#Nationality context in lead sentence

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Salma Hayek#Nationality context in lead sentence. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:04, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

For my records and because I am pushing 3RR on this need link to discussion. So far not getting response from other editor, just edit history debate and reverts. Ignoring BRD and my reasons. Sigh, things go better with discussion. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Added to watchlist. I gotchu. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:00, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

WP:BLPCAT question

Geraldo, is this a valid addition to a WP:BLP after directing just a single episode of a TV series? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:29, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Directing isn't one of her notable occupations for just directing one episode of a TV series. Good for her to do this but this is more an enhancement to her acting than a new career for her. If she were to direct a significant number of episodes and stuff in other TV series that would be another issue that would support directing as an occupation. At this time it wouldn't belong in the infobox or lead as a notable occupation so I would say WP:NOTDEFINING as a reason to not have it as a category, not WP:BLPCAT. This may be contentious. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:35, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

 Removed --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:42, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Fashion Ally

Geraldo, I am very concerned about this article – while there is a single press release supporting its content (and there is another Nick press release from the same period, naming this show), there has been nothing I can find in over a year on this series, so it may never have made it into production. Additionally, the article was created by a now-blocked socker, and has been the nexus of vandalism by the so-called "Done" IP vandal (who may or may not be the same as the blocked socker...).

Suggestions on what to do here? Should we WP:AfD this article? Or boldly move it to Draftspace? Or what?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:56, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: I think boldly moving it draft space is the best here. There is some evidence of a production order but none for it actually being scheduled for airing which means it fails WP:NTV "a television series is not eligible for an article until its scheduling as an ongoing series has been formally confirmed by a television network". We have an announcement of development by a production company but nothing by a network showing it to be scheduled for airing. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:15, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: I have also conducted my own research into Fashion Ally and cannot find any sources either. I have removed the unsourced content from Fashion Ally along with the related edits to actors/actress referring to their roles in the show. I will certainly help keep an eye things as it bothers me as well. Let me know if there is anything else I can do. S0091 (talk) 20:46, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

@S0091: As Geraldo suggested, I have moved what is left to Draft:Fashion Ally for currently failing WP:TVSHOW (i.e. no evidence presented that the series ever went into production, and for having no announced airing or premiere date...). If more info becomes available later, it can always be moved back to Mainspace at that time. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:54, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Relieved. Thanks! S0091 (talk) 20:58, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Geraldo – the "Fashion Ally" IP vandal has most recently shown up as IP 212.129.87.207. Just letting you know, as we should probably start keeping track of this. If a range block won't work here (and it looks like it won't), we're possibly going to need to ask for an edit filter... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:59, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: It is a dynamic IP geo located in Ireland. Majority of IP edits in that article are this editor it seems. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:23, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

108.53.182.220

We need to keep an eye on this disruptive IP. Disney Channel Original, for example, is not a production company, it is a branding label, as you mentioned at User talk:Amaury/2017#Nicky, Ricky, Dicky, and Dawn. Amaury (talk | contribs) 23:23, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

And still at it. Amaury (talk | contribs) 14:08, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: Removing the maintenance templates without fixing the problem or giving some reason why they are not needed is disruptive editing. Blocked again for persisting on doing that. If he continues, blocks will get longer. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:28, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Disney Princess

I have to agree Pepperbeast, one is crowned during a coronation. Although coronated is a word, it is a biological shape.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 16:11, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

@Loriendrew: I reworded it a bit to better match what the references stated, which was my main issue in the first place. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:32, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

73.155.45.5

The two edits by that IP that you reverted at Becky G reminded me of similar edits made about a month ago by a now indef blocked user, User:Jrodriguez927 ([2][3][4][5]), and therefore the IP is evading that block. Edits at other articles about musicians/rappers, like YBN Nahmir, Rae Sremmurd and Rich Homie Quan, are similar to the blocked user's. MPFitz1968 (talk) 18:01, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Kira Kosarin

You seem to be kind of the "expert" on the validity of the "singer-songwriter" label, so I want to check with you if this edit is kosher?... AFAICT, Kosarin is not known as a songwriter at all... TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:33, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: I replied to that article's talk page about the issue. When stuff starts to chart may take this more seriously. As for singer-songwriter that article goes into a lot of what that means and it means a lot more than getting a writing credit for giving input to the actual pro writers of songs she sings. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:09, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

I see you're famous today...

• Geraldo Perez alt
• Geraldo Perez 3.0
• Geraldo Perez 4.0
• Geraldo Perez 5.0

Someone must be a big "fan" of yours. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:44, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: See also this. Common and unimaginative way to show displeasure by people who I've offended in some way in process of fighting vandalism. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:48, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Template:That's So Raven

Are you still watching this? Someone tried to add the episode lists again, though I reverted per your previous revert there. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:42, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: I don't watch that one. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:51, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

If not really not sure if this edit is unsourced on Back to the Future (franchise)

Hello Geraldo Perez! On Back to the Future (franchise), I've noticed this edit that was added by an IP user. I am not really 100% sure if there would be a sequel to the next film, which I knew that the final installment of the franchise is Part 3. Then I've reverted the edit of the IP for unsourced content then I was thinking I've might made a mistake so I revert it back, then I decided to ask you if the edit (link above) is correct. Thanks and Cheers! VictorTorres2002 (talk) 12:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

@VictorTorres2002: The content of the new section was just a copy of the previous paragraph under a new header. I don't know if the editor intended to delete the old content and forgot or really meant to just do the copy. I could see no justified purpose in what he did. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:58, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: Oh ok. I should not readded that the IP added as it is unsourced (or probably a hoax) as the new section as seen in the edit "The Wild: Back to the Future (2020)", but there are no more follow-ups since the last film and final installment, Back to the Future: Part 3. Thanks again and cheers!  :-) VictorTorres2002 (talk) 15:08, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Just Roll with It

@IJBall and MPFitz1968: Now in mainspace. More watchers would of course be cool. Amaury (talk | contribs) 05:12, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Descendants 3

Is this WP:RS? It's hard to tell if the site is an official Disney website or not, and what makes me leery that it may not be is that the logo has The Official Disney Fan Club. Ping IJBall as well. Add: Additionally, it's a website where you can create accounts and join, which seems to further indicate it's WP:NOTRS. Amaury (talk | contribs) 01:58, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: In general, no, it is a fan-site and we generally don't consider them reliable sources. However, there is a named author, the site is copyrighted by Disney, and the info looks real, and an official announcement from a reliable source should be forthcoming. In this case tagging it {{better source}} looks appropriate and if not provided within in a month, then delete the info. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:07, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

 Done: Diff. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:13, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Kids' Choice Awards

Hello, I'm not sure if there is any other standard currently set for other awards shows on Wikipedia (also not sure if there is possibly a standard for certain shows individually or altogether), but I would love to figure out what should be done for the Kids' Choice Awards. As seen on the 2018 page, the infobox currently says, "91 minutes (8:00–9:31 PM EDT)" next to "Runtime". However, going to others like 2019 and 2016, it only displays how many minutes, not the time it ran. There are also other pages like 2018 that also include the time it ran. The other problem would be involving the older shows- finding sources to verify what time it aired at. The 2003 page currently does not include the time it ran, but it can be found through an archive page of Nickelodeon's schedule that the show ran 8-9:30pm. Would love to figure this out so there can at least be some consistency, especially with the more recent years like 2018 vs. 2019. Thanks in advance. Magitroopa (talk) 23:08, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@Magitroopa: I'm not sure what can be done here. If the times can't be verified and are dubious, they should be tagged {{Citation needed}}. The times were likely based on published schedules close to the show date and don't have references as times were considered easily verifiable at the time the data was added. Makes it hard to verify later. There should be historical schedules that can be found as sources, basically that is the best we can do. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:09, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you.

Noted. WP:3RRNO #7 should be sufficient to justify my 4th revert as being permitted within policy. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

About the website

You gave me this website https://powerrangers.fandom.com that I already been there earlier before. So do you think it's hard to create a new page call List of the Arsenal (Power Rangers) but instead how about List of the Toys (Power Rangers).Oon835 (talk) 07:36, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

@Oon835: Suggest following the WP:AfC process and creating a draft article. If the article meets notability standards and is well-sourced, it should be accepted. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:04, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

List of Disney Channel original films

Need more eyes here – problematic editor keeps adding unsourced and out-of-WP:SCOPE content. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 00:30, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Followup on Vic Hawk

I previously brought up this user on your talk page here: User talk:Geraldo Perez/Archive 19#Suspicious user: Vic Hawk. As it turns out, that message on Commons was most likely our good old "friend" Orchomen trying to get somebody else blocked as they showed up not too long after that messsage. In any case, I still have suspicions that Vic Hawk is a sockpuppet of somebody. I couldn't say who, but I'm still suspicious. That aside, however, they are most definitely WP:STALKING my edits. They don't seem to be WP:HOUNDING me—showing up just to revert me—but they are definitely stalking me. See, for example, 100 Things to Do Before High School. It is not just a coincidence that they showed up to fix that shortly after I made my edits. And if that's not confirmation enough, they showed up at my own sandbox here: User:Amaury/sandbox/Double Dare (2018 game show)‎. A random user doesn't just randomly show up at someone's own sandbox page like that. Here is the editor interaction report between us. Notice how they've showed up at somewhat low-profile articles like Lip Sync Battle Shorties. Other than that, every single one of their edits has been to articles I watch or have watched. The articles where I only have a very, very small amount of edits were just articles I reverted disruptive users on, but the point remains since I still made the first edit. And, again, the sandbox alone seems to confirm things. Please advise on what should be done, because I think there are enough grounds for a report at this point at wherever the appropriate venue is. Ping IJBall as well. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: If it is bothering you and reducing your enjoyment of editing Wikipedia, I can see it as being a issue. If all the edits are good faith it is difficult to show it as a problem to others though. The interaction report may just be because of having a similar interest in some articles. I've also had some editors who appeared to follow me and annoying as it is sometimes there isn't much that can be done unless the editor crosses the line with disruptive edits that can lead to a block. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:11, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Then I will just continue keeping an eye on them for the time being to see if they do become disruptive. For the most part, I was just leaving it alone, it's when they showed up on both my sandbox linked above and 100 Things to Do Before High School that it really seemed to hammer in that they may be stalking. This is especially in regard to the latter, as it still just doesn't seem like a coincidence, even taking same interests into consideration, that they just happened to show up 16 minutes after I edited, which gives the impression they were watching every edit I made there. Their edit itself and only edit to that article was correct, but still. However, for now I digress and will just continue to keep an eye out, as mentioned. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:19, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Emily Skinner

What do we think? WP:TOOSOON? Doesn't pass WP:NACTOR or WP:BASIC? Ping IJBall, too. Amaury (talk | contribs) 02:02, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Way too soon. I'll convert that to a redirect... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:36, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Actually, I wasn't aware of the recent roles. While I wouldn't create this article, I'm going to leave it. If it goes to WP:AfD, I'm probably a "delete" vote there, though... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:38, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Status

@IJBall and MPFitz1968: You guys may have noticed a noticeable drop in my activity. Don't worry, I am not going anywhere. The week of March 24–30, I learned that my step-grandmother is dying from stage four cancer, and it has progressed so much since then to the point to where she cannot really call, text, or email us with updates and is having her caretaker do it in her place. Wednesday I discovered that my adoptive grandmother is also dying, likely from getting up there in age (80s), but she's also had a lot of medical problems, including a recent brain aneurysm due to her high blood pressure. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:28, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: My condolences. End of life is always a sad time for all involved. It is good that you have a chance to visit with them and hope it gives some comfort to both of them and yourself. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:00, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall and MPFitz1968: Got the news from my mom about 35 minutes ago that my step-grandmother died in her sleep last night. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

My condolences. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:52, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: My condolences to you and your family as well. And prayers to your other grandmother who is still here. MPFitz1968 (talk) 06:21, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Andi Mack and MOS:UPRIGHT

Followup to User talk:Geraldo Perez/Archive 20#Andi Mack, where we discussed this previously and agreed that 1.3 was best. I'll note that MOS:UPRIGHT says 1.8 should be the absolute maximum size, but that does not mean we should be using the maximum size. As such, do we agree with this edit or not? Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:17, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: I think 1.8 is too much and unnecessarily large. Image is fine at 1.3 for the detail. I personally find it annoying when editors override the defaults I have chosen for myself and expect there to be a very good reason to do so and by the minimum necessary. Making things bigger for solely for emphasis and no other purpose is not a good reason. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:31, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I've reverted. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Follow-up on problems with Zap2it air dates

Continuing from User talk:Geraldo Perez/Archive 20#Air date screwup with Zap2it...

Zap2it is still are having problems with showing the correct air dates for episodes, but I just tried something. I set my computer clock's time zone temporarily to UTC (or a time zone east of that), and when refreshing an episode list ... I used Elena of Avalor for this ... it showed one day later than what was showing for my actual time zone ... what we believe to be the correct air dates. My guess is Zap2it is not taking into account the time of day that an episode would air in its place of origin and is using 00:00 UTC of the correct air date, which is gonna show as one day earlier for those of us in North America. Problem could be fixed if they used the UTC equivalent of the air date/time in a given locale (like if an episode of a U.S. show aired at 9:00pm Eastern time on May 14 ... 01:00 UTC May 15 is what should be internally represented in their listing, not 00:00 UTC May 14, which is what I'm guessing they're doing; which date shows depends on the time zone setting on one's computer/device). Kinda confusing, but I'm taking a stab at what might be the problem with what they're showing. MPFitz1968 (talk) 09:17, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: That looks to be the problems. Zap2it is likely not storing a time at all with the air date and a blank field defaults to 0000Z. Then the web page display thinks that is the actual time and converts it to its local time. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:44, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Geraldo, MPFitz1968 So if that is the problem, we should probably be ignoring Zap2it for air dates until they hopefully fix the problem and just go by The Futon Critic once it updates. Because if it's saying one thing for me and another for someone UTC and UTC +, what do we go by? Probably best to ignore since it can lead to disputes. Interestingly enough, clicking on "Upcoming Airings" will show the correct air date regardless of time zone, but that doesn't really solve the problem. We usually report the earliest date available, and if that passes and it doesn't happen, we remove it or list the next available date, such as when Zap2it had those weeks of premieres in August last year that didn't happen for Game Shakers. It's complicated here because the dates aren't static, they're showing as different depending on your location. Amaury (talk | contribs) 03:42, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: Agreed. These disputes can also happen with series that have ended and the air dates of all their episodes well-established (with Zap2it giving the correct air dates back then) if someone, on the west side of UTC (e.g., the U.S.), decides to check the Zap2it source in the set of air date column references, sees everything is one day off, and then changes those dates ... like with Girl Meets World, Jessie or even iCarly. Thankfully, at least with the first two of those, we have The Futon Critic's dates, though someone else may see the discrepancy between the two sources and decide the earlier date is correct. Others who are aware of what day of the week a series normally airs will likely know which date is wrong, but that starts getting into WP:OR territory. But no doubt Zap2it's air date problem has stirred up confusion and we should avoid using it as the sole source for air dates until this problem is corrected.

As for removing that source from the air date columns in the various articles, I don't know. I probably would just leave it there. Was also trying to see if there was any remedy with any of the Wikipedia templates we use for dates - Template:Start date, for example - but apparently not. They do have a time zone feature in there, but it would display that time zone along with the date, and we'd have to make tons of changes in many articles, which is not feasible. And simple text for a date doesn't change from time zone to time zone, so yeah, until Zap2it fixes this problem, best not to use it for air dates. MPFitz1968 (talk) 07:41, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

@MPFitz1968: I've gone ahead and hidden them on List of Game Shakers episodes and Cousins for Life so far. As for the issue of other people wanting to go back on ended series and change dates, we've also got the ratings info which further reinforces those episodes aired on the dates reported here, per The Futon Critic. Add: Following this, our next issue to tackle would be the even more bizarre Production codes for Disney Channel series on The Futon Critic. Amaury (talk | contribs) 12:12, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Business Wire

Is this a reliable source? For example, here. I was trying to find something on Deadline Hollywood and similar for the season four renewal, but it seems only Business Wire has this. I just can't remember if it's WP:RS. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:42, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: They publish press releases and we can trust they publish the press releases they get accurately and identify correctly where they come from. Consider the press release itself a primary source which we can use per WP:PRIMARY but would still like a secondary source, if possible, to back it up. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:16, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

List of Mighty Magiswords episodes and Mighty Magiswords

I need more eyes (specifically, yours) on these ones, as we keep getting edits like this replacing one sh*t source with another one, and none of them qualify as WP:RS, so this one has not officially "concluded" as far as we on Wikipedia are concerned, until an actual WP:RS is produced. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:01, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: You know I'm happy to help out as well. Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:05, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: The last one looked official until I checked who was hosting the page. Anonymous person, basically a blog, so can't trust what he posts. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:15, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

This is another one of these examples where the show surely has "ended", but there is no "RS" confirmation of it, because the showrunner has a bunch of unverified social media accounts (which can't be used)... Regardless, as far as Wikipedia is concerned, that's not good enough, but the cartoon fanboys don't pay attention to Wiki policies on stuff like this. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:18, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

DuckTales (2017) September promo

HI this is Erik.Hoary this is the video link to the September promo of DuckTales (2017). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXWpd-U-q0sErik.Hoary (talk) 22:55, 21 May 2019 (UTC)Erik.Hoary

your Flickr curation

<removed message to me that seems unrelated to anything I have done or plan on doing>

@67.215.23.216: I made one edit to the Flickr page and that was to revert edits by a blocked sock. I don't curate anything on Wikipedia although I have interests in some topics and mostly try to undo vandalism on other pages. If you have concerns about the Flickr page, comment on that page's talk page. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:12, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Michael D. Cohen and Henry Danger

As the BLP article is likely to be deleted soon as it still has no references, is this something that could be mentioned on the Henry Danger article? And if so, what section? Amaury (talk | contribs) 17:24, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: Seems worth a short paragraph in the Life and career section of his article and only in that article. Good source, he disclosed it, of interest to readers. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Another example

See here. So annoying, and I still feel like they are definitely following or stalking me—whatever you want to call it. I am keeping in mind what you said about it just being that we have the same interests, but at the same time, just like with 100 Things to Do Before High School, that is their only edit to List of Raven's Home episode (so far), so it just doesn't seem like a pure concidence. And it's not even so much that they're editing the same articles, but look at the times for some of them, as I mentioned before. I edited the Raven's Home LOE at 12:17 PM, and they just happen to here at 12:28 PM? However, per our now archived discussion ("Followup on Vic Hawk"), I will just continue keeping an eye on them and not take any sort of reporting action for now. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:39, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: Maybe he finds you a exemplar of good editing practices and is using you as a role model. Follows you around, sees how you edit and learns from you. Geraldo Perez (talk) 19:53, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

I guess it could be looked at the way. And that's a good way of looking at it, too, if that's the case. Amaury (talk | contribs) 19:55, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Deal or No Deal

There's no episode tables keeping track of Deal or No Deal episodes on Wikipedia, but I still do update the listings across other sites. I would love to know what to do in this situation though, as I'm sure there's at least one show that has had this problem. Basically, for the new revival, 30 episodes were filmed, with 21 of them airing between December 2018 and March 2019. New episodes return in June, and Futon Critic has recently updated, showing as I thought, the upcoming new episodes are still a part of season 5 (Production code #522-524). The problem comes from one of the trailers posted by the host, Howie. The video in the tweet (at the 0:23 timestamp) reads, "Season premiere Wed June 12". I know certain sites have different rules as to what would constitute a new season or not, but I would love to know if the new episodes would be considered season 5 or season 6 based on Wikipedia rules. Thanks in advance. Magitroopa (talk) 02:35, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

@Magitroopa: With the network promo stating new season we would generally go with that as networks define what the seasons are, not the production company. Production codes are for the production company internal use mostly and don't bind the network as to what they put in their seasons or how they order them for airing. It would be better, though, if there were some written announcement from the network about a new season. Futon considering the new stuff part of season 5 is a conflict that will cause problems in the future for the article if the season break is not tied to a solid network announcement. Whatever is decided it needs to be documented on the article talk page as having seasons not match production runs can be contentious. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:53, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Moana

I actually didn't realize that the link on the Disney Princess page takes readers to the brief description of Moana. I thought it was taking people to the top of the article. And1987 (talk) 15:11, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

@And1987: The link you replaced was to Moana (Disney) which is the film article and you replaced it with a direct link to the character section in that article, which was better. I found a redirect that went to the same place Moana (character) and used that instead. I didn't revert your edit, I should have left a better message. WP:NOTBROKEN discourages links to sections bypassing redirects as that complicates things if the redirect article gets expanded to an actual article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:16, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Checking an edit

Geraldo, I just want to check on your opinion of this edit before I do anything. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:38, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: I don't think she has a strong claim to a nationality identity of her work so any mention of a nationality context should be left out of the intro sentence. Her birth in Switzerland looks incidental to her parents just being there when she was born, doubt she is a Swiss national. Likely has Greek and American citizenship because of parents but main work location looks to be in UK. Maybe explain this a bit later in the lead, or drop it from the lead as unimportant to her notability and just leave the full explanation to the Biography section. Swiss-born looks irrelevant to her notability and her citizenship is most likely officially Greek but we would need references. She would have American only if her birth were registered with a US consulate by her father but could claim it if she wanted if he didn't. US won't force it and she can disclaim it if she doesn't want to pay taxes to the US. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:31, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

DuckTales (2017) September promo

Hi DuckTales (2017) returns in September I sent you this before but I don't think I sent the link properly. her is the title of the video on youtube Ducktales 2017 SEASON 2 MORE OF THESE GUYS, & MORE MYSTERY in September (Promo). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXWpd-U-q0s&list=LLS0rRZQu3Y_V8FiBHVShX8g&index=2.Erik.Hoary (talk) 19:43, 25 May 2019 (UTC)Erik.Hoary

@Erik.Hoary: That video is hosted on a non-official channel. It was created/edited by Cyberlink PowerDirector per the watermark on the video. We can't trust that source as a reference or anything potentially edited by some third-party. Get something on an official network outlet or something written in a press release or other reliable source would be much preferred. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:00, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Wrong title of the page

There is a wrong title of this page called Lego Jurassic World it supposed to be called this title Lego Jurassic World (2015 Video Game) and how to change this title? Oon835 (talk) 13:44, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

@Oon835: It would correctly be Lego Jurassic World (2015 video game), and Lego Jurassic World (video game) would likely be sufficient. But why do you think it should be moved? If there is no other article with the title Lego Jurassic World, then additional disambiguation (like Lego Jurassic World (video game)) is unnecessary. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:37, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

@Oon835: There is no other article with that title so it would be incorrect to include a disambiguation parenthetical as part of the title. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:40, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Because I'm going to start create a new page about the sets of Lego Jurassic World so that the video game page need to change the title that I told you before. Oon835 (talk) 13:27, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Oon835: Create the new article with a disambiguator such as (sets) or whatever makes sense. After that article is created, then we can move to a further discussion of what article gets the primary title without the disambiguation, or maybe both get a disambiguator and we create a disambiguation page at the common root. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:12, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I had finished my sandbox right here User:Oon835/sandbox 5 and now you can change the title of the page. Oon835 (talk) 07:31, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

@Oon835: You can change page titles by moving the page, which you have the user rights to do - see Wikipedia:Moving a page. It is also how articles are moved from sandbox/draft space to main space. Be sure to add the proper hatnotes on the primary page. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:52, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Pages shouldn't be moved pre-emptively to give a barely notable topic the primary topic spot. AfC should be done first, a move decided later. Please continue the discussion on Oon's talk. Lordtobi (✉) 05:44, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

SpongeBob SquarePants (season 12)

Sorry for asking for the help (I know, I'm fine, lol) but not entirely sure what I'm doing wrong with the episode table. I wanted to make the sources easier so I changed it up so it is similar to the way the Cousins for Life sources are set up in the episode table. I've tried editing some stuff, and even checked the help section the error linked me to, but I still can't figure out what is wrong with the Zap2it source (#4). Any help is appreciated, thank you in advance. Magitroopa (talk) 02:53, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

@Magitroopa: You need to be careful about using named references in a transcluded section, which is what is happening here. It all works fine in this article, but the episode list article that transcludes the season episode info doesn't have the named references defined so you get an error in that article. It is also possible that the name overlaps something else in the article that transcludes this one. Generally it is best to avoid named references for things that will be transcoded in other articles. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:03, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Or you can defined the named reference in the transcluded section but then you need to make sure the reference names used don't overlap the names of other named references in the article that is transcluding this one. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:18, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment#Jake Paul's Profession as a Rapper: Should It Be Included in Leading or Not?

I know that you're barely a fan of Bizaardvark but you already know that this was the first Disney show to include a social media/Internet celebrity as a main cast member namely Jake Joseph Paul.

Yes he parted ways during Season 2 in medias res to pursue a musical career starting with a rap collective named Team 10. May 30 marked the release of their debut single It's Everyday Bro making him a rapper.

No replies to that query were given after six months on December 9. Also, he shouldn't be labeled as an "American actor and Internet personality" it should be transfused into "American rapper, actor, and Internet personality."

Lastly family name can't be used more than once after occupations. Please respond as soon as possible.

Cheers,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 17:13, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Only if sourced. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:02, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Lulu Antariksa

Does WP:QUOTENAME apply here? Or is "Lulu" an odd enough shortening of "Lauren" that the "Lulu" should be left in the lede?... TIA. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:07, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Hypocorism#English doesn't list it and it doesn't seem to fit the pattern for nicknames. This one is odd enough to leave as quoted. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:30, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Also I didn't see a reference for Lauren being her formal name, seemed to be added without sources at some point in the past. Lulu is a perfectly valid formal first name on its own. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:34, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Now that's a good point – Lauren isn't sourced: I'll remove it (for now). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:36, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of Jessie episodes#Aloha-Holidays and Karate Kid-Tastrophe Need Individual Articles.

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of Jessie episodes#Aloha-Holidays and Karate Kid-Tastrophe Need Individual Articles.. @IJBall and MPFitz1968: You too. Amaury (talk | contribs) 04:56, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Maia Mitchell & Bailee Madison

According to IMDb, Maia is frequently confused with Bailey and vice versa):

Gets frequently confused with Bailee Madison. (Maia’s IMDb trivia page)

Gets frequently confused with Maia Mitchell. (Bailey’s IMDb trivia page)

Furthermore, Bailee Madison played Maia Mitchell's sister on the show "The Fosters" and people often think they're real sisters, because they look alike. (Bailey’s IMDb trivia page)

Is that enough proof? Now do you see how they could be confused? They look so much alike. Stevieb2685 (talk) 13:53, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Stevieb2685: First we ignore what IMDb says, they are not a reliable source for anything, besides what they say is irrelevant to this issue. Second that hatnote is for article name confusion, not for people who have similar appearance. They have different names, hatnote is inappropriate. Geraldo Perez (talk) 13:58, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Kamp Koral

@IJBall and MPFitz1968: Draft created here: User:Amaury/sandbox/Kamp Koral. Amaury (talk | contribs) 16:24, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Halston Sage

Need assistance here – three different editors have added the unsourced claim that Sage appears in Dark Phoenix (film), but I've previously investigated this and couldn't find a source to verify, so this shouldn't be added to the article with a source in support. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:17, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Dark Phoenix (film) releases June 7 in the US. Sage is listed as Dazzler on IMDb cast list for movie. People are adding the info to the movie article and actor article based on IMDb. We will presume it is from actual credits in movie if the same info is added after release. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Considering that other people have been rumored for that role (e.g. Taylor Swift), on this one I think we actually need a secondary source to verify... --IJBall (contribs • talk)

See for example this, which implies that the Halston Sage rumor goes back to 2017, but seems to have nothing to actually verify that it's the case (as of one week ago...). --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:00, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: The IMDb entry currently may just be based on the rumors and added by some random user and not verified by IMDb. Why we don't trust IMDb. However after wide release IMDb tends to be self correcting as lots of people have seen the actual credits and hoax stuff tends to get removed. Still can't use IMDb as the direct source but indirectly it is generally an accurate transcription and does tend to match the actually credits so I put a lot of credence in what is there for released material. If lots of people see the film and see her name in the credits we would have verifiable information that would be hard to justify removal. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Geraldo – OK, this looks like a legit secondary source for this: [6] --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: A reliable source says she's in it but has no lines. Looks more like a cameo than an actual acting gig. Still there is a source. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:06, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Good point – I'll note that it's a cameo. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:10, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm wondering, though, if it still might be a good idea to wait until the film actually premieres, at the very least, before placing it in the filmography table. As prose in the proper section would seem appropriate for now. Amaury 03:12, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

It's fine, IMO, because it's a secondary source. Keeping it out of the article 12 hours before the film is released is kind of WP:BURO-y... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:15, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

True and the Rainbow Kingdom

Geraldo, I'm really not sure what to do here... I don't know if you have Netflix, but I just looked this one up – Netflix has three separate series called True Magical Friends (2018, 1 season of 5 episodes), True Wonderful Wishes (2018, 1 season of 5 episodes), and True and the Rainbow Kingdom (season 1 (apparently 2017) = The Rainbow Kingdom (10 episodes); season 2 (appears to be 2019) = Mushroom Town (4 episodes)), and then True Happy Hearts Day (2019, and which looks like a stand-alone "special"). This is all very confusing (esp. as Netflix doesn't include exact release dates when looking episodes up), and True and the Rainbow Kingdom is treating them all as the same "series" when Netflix does not and appears to treat them as three separate series... I'm not sure what to do here, but if all of these are going to be covered at the same article, then at the least it would seem that a title change is possibly (probably?) in order, as this seems to cover the whole "True" "franchise... Any thoughts? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:14, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Confusing for sure. They are related and covering them in the same article looks reasonable based on the commonalities and light coverage of each series. Redirects need to be at each of the names used and they need to be bolded in the lead to emphasize they are redirect targets and that the article is covering them all. I don't see a problem with the article title as it currently is. I can't think of a better one and there would need to be a redirect at this one anyway if there were another title. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:33, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Ashley Liao

Does this meet WP:BASIC and/or WP:NACTOR? I only noticed it since it was linked to on List of Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn episodes. Amaury (talk | contribs) 00:17, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: Looks like she has 1 lead role in a notable tv series. 1 lead role in a non-notable film (no article) and 1 lead role in an upcoming film. I'd say WP:TOOSOON. I note it is up for AfD. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:51, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Looks like this will pass at WP:AfD. Too bad, as I fully agree that it's WP:TOOSOON, and the "sourcing" they're using to justify a "keep" is pretty dang weak, and not what I'd consider to be "significant coverage"... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:28, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Niles Fitch

Related. Now this one. Created just today and linked to on List of Best Friends Whenever episodes. Amaury (talk) • 13:49, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: Looks to have significant coverage in secondary sources and at least 2 notable main cast roles. Some bio info isn't sourced so looks like article came from IMDb scraping with some extra sourcing. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:11, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Editing Hailee Steinfeld

Hey there, Gerardo Perez, I just want to clarify that I had no intention of adding irrelevant information about Hailee Steinfeld. Her name is Hailee Caribe Steinfeld and NOT Hailee Puring Steinfeld as you think she is. I may have not included the references because I might have forgotten about them. And if you think that I am lying, with all your respect, I think that you should, personally, google or research for Hailee Steinfeld's true information and stop bothering me and/or wasting my time.

Thank You! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.156.77 (talk) 21:22, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Current information has a source, a reliable one, the changes you want to make conflicted with the reference we have. You need to back your assertion that the current information is wrong with a better source than the one that is in the article now. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:29, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of The Thundermans characters#Dark Mayhem is a Recurring Character

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of The Thundermans characters#Dark Mayhem is a Recurring Character. Your feedback would be appreciated. Basically, we have an actor/a character who never received anything more than a featuring credit, with the crediting level being, as we know, guest star -> co-star -> featuring. So a featuring credit is a really low-level credit. However, he had a pretty significant role. Amaury • 05:02, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Peanuts (TV series)

Episode numbering here looks to be nonsense – doesn't match TV Guide, or the limited listing at Futon Critic. (And I don't think the Adult Swin schedule "sourcing" should even be included...) And I especially don't trust it after the likely IP vandal's edits from March 2018. Also, some of the episodes listed – e.g. "Christmas is Coming" – may be fradulent entries as I can't confirm them. (This is another example where "TV Guide" not displaying all of the episodes in their system on the page is not helping...) But not sure what to do here. Another reliable source, in addition to "TV Guide" would certainly help... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:56, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Zendaya

This article's really kind of a mess now, and I'll admit that I really have no interest in "fixing" it. But it shows what happens when more "fan-ish" editors take over an article like this... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:31, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: On a semi-related note, I would totally correctly move Spider-Man: Far From Home to Spider-Man: Far from Home if it weren't for that discussion last year, where editors understand how nothing works. We ignore how sources style something. So if sources referred to Walk the Prank as Walk The Prank, we would still refer to it as Walk the Prank. It's not a hard concept to understand since nothing is actually "changed," but apparently it is. Add: Another way to look at it is that we don't have Bunk'd at BUNK'D or Mech-X4 at MECH-X4. Amaury • 16:51, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Looney Tunes Cartoons

I did not need a source regarding the voices Bob Bergen will perform on Looney Tunes Cartoons if he had already voiced them in previous material like The Looney Tunes Show, Duck Dodgers, and many other related projects. Also, there isn't a source linked for Eric Bauza's and Jeff Bergman's characters, so why would there be one for Bob Bergan's? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:246:D80:18C4:9809:586D:5EA2:802F (talk) 19:59, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes you need sources for cast, only 3 were mentioned in sources listed in article right now. First episode has aired and we have actual credits to draw from. An aired episode's listed credits is a valid source of cast and character names. Credits for cast and names of cast that have not appeared yet is speculation, wait for credits or get a reliable source for support. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:04, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Revisiting

I'll leave it to you to appraise this edit – I can't tell if it's from the credits of the already released episode or not, so I'll leave it to you. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 01:12, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Siena Agudong

@IJBall and MPFitz1968: What do you we think? WP:TOOSOON? Does not pass WP:BASIC or WP:NACTOR? Both of those? Michael previously reverted this editor on WP:EGG grounds at Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn, List of Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn episodes, and Star Falls. Amaury • 22:14, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

It arguably does meet WP:NACTOR – she's had two different lead roles in 2 different TV series, plus the film Alex & Me. My bigger concern is that "sourcing" used at the article is mostly crud – the Teen Vogue and Parade look to me to be the only high quality sources; other sources like Tiger Beat should simply be removed. Bottom line: This is likely to survive at WP:AfD now, so I would leave it, and simply work on improving it... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:18, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

OTOH, I'm not sure Alex & Me is notable enough for a standalone article – I rather doubt it is... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:31, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall and MPFitz1968: Similarly, Scarlett Estevez definitely does not meet any of our criteria, and I have therefore restored the redirect. Amaury • 02:03, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Late to the party—take a break and miss all the fun. Basically I agree with the above. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:45, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

I have WP:RfD'ed Scarlett Estevez (here) – a redirect with 3 different potential targets is a bad redirect. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:17, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: And I've got Siena Agudong on my watchlist now—I forgot to get earlier—so I'll be keeping an eye on it. Amaury • 15:32, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Ella Anderson

I just cleaned this up, but it could use more eyes. I removed (again) her unsourced middle name that an IP snuck in back in March since I had taken the article off my watchlist. Amaury • 02:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

message of sorry of Carlos Daniel Bautista Barrios

Sorry, the sauce slipped with my fingers and the slip made me press the button for an error and I was going to fix it and but you saw that you fixed it thanks but if you can forgive me and it will not happen again I promise you 😔🙏 Carlos Daniel Bautista Barrios (talk) 16:33, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

@Carlos Daniel Bautista Barrios: I understand. Please be careful. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:45, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:Infobox film#Chief directors in the infobox?

 You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Infobox film#Chief directors in the infobox?. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:52, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Hoodwinked!#Co-directors in the infobox

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Hoodwinked!#Co-directors in the infobox. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:57, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

List of SpongeBob SquarePants episodes

Something seems to be wrong with the page right now, none of the templates are showing up at the bottom of the page. I've checked all the separate SpongeBob season pages, nothing seems to be wrong with them. Magitroopa (talk)

@Magitroopa: This edit broke it checking edit history. Before then templates show up, after that they don't. Likely something changed in SpongeBob SquarePants (season 12) to break the transclusion. May try reverting to an earlier version of the season article then doing purge cache on both article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:17, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

@Magitroopa: Commenting out the transclusion of the s12 article got the template showing again. You can check both of my edits to verify. Something looks to be causing this problem in the s12 article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:25, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Hm, only thing I can think of that might be the problem was my recent addition. Would overallR need to be added to all the episode listings in the table or no? Very weird considering the S12 page appears to be perfectly fine, must be a very tiny thing. Magitroopa (talk) 21:42, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

@Magitroopa: It is likely something really minor corrupting a tag or template. I don't want to interfere with what you are doing on the S12 article but I suggest reverting back a day, purging cache and see it the problem goes away. If it does, revert to some place more recent and try again basically doing a search for the place the problem got inserted. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:01, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: Alright... now this has taken a turn. I don't know if it's possible at all, but I think that the main page might be a little overcrowded. I continued removing episodes from the season 12 table, and around "The Kwarantined Krab"/"Plankton's Intern" is when the template began removing. Then for my final test, I removed the top entries just to have "The Kwarantined Krab" through "A Place for Pets" still in the episode table, and all the templates appeared just fine.

Response to my own response after finally realizing this: However, now thinking about it some more, I think there's a List of The Simpsons episodes problem onhand, as 1-20 and 21-30 are split into two separate pages, linking WP:PEIS. I assume this means SpongeBob will have to be split now, so what would the next steps be in that? The page is also now listed on Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded. Magitroopa (talk) 22:58, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

@Magitroopa: Good troubleshooting. You've identified the problem. To confirm note that Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded has been added to the hidden categories on the page and the page is listed automatically when the size limit is hit. It stops expanding templates after the limit is hit which is why the rest of the templates didn't show. Recommendation is to reduce size of the season articles. If that isn't feasible then propose a WP:SPLIT on the episode page using as a reason the technical problems seen and reference similar situation on The Simpsons ep page. Spliting out 1-10 and 11 on looks reasonable to fix this but need consensus for the split. AussieLegend contributes to the page and is familiar with the Simpsons situation and may be a good resource to help on this. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:12, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the problem is that the page is breaking the "post-expand include size" limit. It's only just doing it though. Before splitting the article, the first step is to invoke {{Episode table}} and {{Episode list}} directly, as I've done at SpongeBob SquarePants (season 1).[7] Wbm1058 did this to all season articles on 5 October 2018 but somebody changed it back in the season 1 article in January 2019.[8] SpongeBob SquarePants (season 12) wasn't created until March 2019 so it has never been done there. That has now been fixed. Restoring the fixes in the season 1 article reduced the page size by 65kB to 20kB below the limit and making the changes in the season 12 article reduced the size by another 91kb. Anything you can do to reduce individual page sizes helps. At the moment, I expect that season 13 might break the page again. --AussieLegend (✉) 06:20, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Billy Unger

Article could use more attention, for WP:BLP violations. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:44, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Follow-up

Still need eyes on this one – continued WP:DE from IP's. Indeed, it may be time to think about going to WP:RfPP for this one. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:12, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: I've engaged with the IP on their current page. Hope this is sufficient for now. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:18, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

The issue is that this has involved more than one IP editor, and has been going on for months. I doubt this issue is going away. Eventually, I suspect page protection will be necessary... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:53, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: I am assuming it is one person on some of those IPs. If not, intensity is low so likely most that would happen is pending change protection. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC: Deprecate webcitation.org aka WebCite

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#RfC: Deprecate webcitation.org aka WebCite. Will ping IJBall and Amaury as well. This came to my attention when I was checking out the archived source backing Rowan Blanchard's birthday a week or so ago, which is from WebCite. That archive site has been down for a while now, and I am not aware at the moment of any other archive sites storing the original version of that source (I'll try to look those up). Anyway, regarding the link, this may be of importance to you all. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:19, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Just as quickly as I sent notice about this discussion, I found an equivalent archived version of the source for Blanchard's birthday at archive.org, and switched to that ([9]). MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:25, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Your revert of my edit on Zendaya

Hello there, you recently reverted an edit I did within the Zendaya article. I changed the word "actress" to "actor", which is nowadays considered to be the more appropriate, gender-neutral term. Can you please explain why you reverted this? Please read this for further information: actor#The_term_actress werewolf (talk) 04:14, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: Because nowadays it is not considered more appropriate for this term, particularly on Wikipedia. See Category:Actresses. Actress is one of the gendered terms that still has wide acceptance in society. Witness the Academy award for best actress as a award category. See WP:GNL and note the only prohibition is on uncommon gender marked terms, not common ones. Geraldo Perez (talk) 04:22, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: I believe you are mistaken, and if the article I linked in my previous comment doesn't satisfy you, it seems you are immune to evidence. Just because there are categories with the term "actress" on Wikipedia and awards with same doesn't mean there isn't an ongoing shift away from this gendered profession term both within the acting industry and in general parlance. Give it a few years and you will see this, one of the last gendered career titles in the English language, go by the wayside. Perhaps then you will be less eager to revert edits that don't seem fitting to you but which are appropriate nevertheless. werewolf (talk) 05:39, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: Actress is still in common usage by actresses themselves currently, more so in the US than UK. This particular debate has been ongoing for a long time on Wikipedia. The actual acting categories reflect common usage on Wikipedia for actor and actress. The award names reflect accepted usage in the industry. Actresses, in general do not consider the term pejorative. When the word "actress" falls out of common usage, Wikipedia will be much more likely to conform to the prescriptive rules being pushed by MOS:GNL but most actress articles on Wikipedia still refer to actresses as actress. Changing it to actor serves no purpose and at this point in time looks forced and awkward as it does go against common usage most readers expect. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:06, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:Featured articles § Media biographies and check how actors and actresses are described on articles that reflect the best practices on Wikipedia. This is what people expect to see on articles now. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:51, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

@Geraldo Perez: Fair enough, you make a strong case. werewolf (talk) 12:38, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Sofia Carson‎

Need more eyes here – IP adding content which surely violates WP:BLP, likely with questionable sourcing. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 05:05, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

List of Baby Looney Tunes episodes

If Amazon is to be believed (note that Amazon lists a good chunk of season 1 under their "season 2" set...), this article has been subject to the usual pervasive date vandalism from IP's. I may try to fix this later (though it will be awkward, as I can't inline-source Amazon due to the Blacklist, and TV Guide's listing for the show was no help), but I thought I'd make you aware now... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:56, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

My Babysitter's a Vampire (TV series)

Do you think proposing a merge of List of My Babysitter's a Vampire episodes back to My Babysitter's a Vampire (TV series) is a good idea? A 26-episode series isn't really much to justify a standalone LoE article... (The article needs other cleanup, aside from this, but I figured I ask about this first...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:43, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: I don't think it is worth it to merge. It is two seasons and episode summaries are all reasonable sized so it is not just a list of episode names. It would be a large portion the main article after a merge. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:36, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

IP vandal(?) question

So, this is the MO of an IP vandal you've come across before, right?... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:02, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Yes. LTA usually on an IPv6, was blocked for 6 month before this and IPv6 used is currently blocked. Talk page BS about parade persistent. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:29, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Template:Infobox person questions

For the death_cause parameter, if I understand your previous reverts of other users on the matter correctly, that is only used when the death is related to their occupation, correct? For example, if an actor died of head trauma from falling off something while performing a stunt while filming, then that parameter would be filled in? Also, for birth_place and death_place, is it necessary to include U.S. when we have the full information available? At Ella Anderson, for example, United States makes sense since we don't have any other birth place information, but for Cameron Boyce, for example, we have exact information showing he was born in Los Angeles, California, so is it necessary to also include U.S. when just seeing the location of Los Angeles, California, or even just Los Angeles, makes it obvious it's in the United States? Amaury • 19:43, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: Not so much just related to the occupation, but that would generally count, as in general related to the person's notability. The infobox instructions I quoted on the talk page gave examples. Basically was the death not natural and notable such as murdered, plane crash, legally executed. Dying of some natural cause is not noted in the infobox although people keep adding it to dead person articles and other people keep removing it. It is somewhat of a judgement call for things like complications of AIDS when it was uncommon. For Boyce it is not notable. I think mention of US once is sufficient. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:01, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

The Fairly OddParents

Pinging Amaury, IJBall. Some disruptive IP edits occurring at the article, where they are making the conclusion that the series ended as a result of Butch Hartman leaving. Specifically, the last sentence in the lede - Production of the show ceased again after Hartman left Nickelodeon in February 2018, putting the show on indefinite hiatus, as no new episodes have aired since July 26, 2017 - is being changed to say Production of the show ceased again after Hartman left Nickelodeon in February 2018, ending the show or something similar. MPFitz1968 (talk) 19:38, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Jasonnguyen2606

This WP:DE user is back, as seen on Fast Layne and Just Roll with It. On top of their usual MO of adding the network itself as a distributor, when that parameter is only for DVD releases, as we've discussed in the past, they are now also adding unsourced production companies. The companies they added on Just Roll with It, for example, do not have "Productions" in their name, and also per our earlier discussions on the matter (User talk:Geraldo Perez/Archive 14#Recently added production companies to Stuck in the Middle and Andi Mack), in those cases, we should find reliable secondary sources to confirm whether those companies without "Productions" in their name are production companies or not. Amaury • 16:43, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

@Amaury: Undo unsourced stuff with summary of "requires a reference" and give warnings about adding unsourced content. If gets past final warning, report to AIV. Make sure there are at least 3 warnings including the final one about adding unsourced content before reporting for that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:57, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Now blocked indefinitely for vandalism. Amaury • 21:14, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

More IP WP:DE of infobox 'distributor' parameter

Geraldo, we're getting recent Disruptive editing of infobox 'distributor' parameter (among other edits that are just wrong) – e.g. this, or this – from the following IP's: 37.160.171.12, 37.160.171.12, and 79.42.9.68.

Just making you aware, as you seem to be more on top of this kind of editing than most, and there may be something you can do... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 14:52, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: I generally just revert it when I see it as unsourced and let normal warning progression work for the purposes of blocks. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:03, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Seems to be editing from too many different IP's for that to be a very effective strategy... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:04, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Looks like one person from Italy maybe home/work/mobile data rotation. Seems to pop up on a lot of related articles. Geraldo Perez (talk) 15:25, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Geraldo, to follow-up, IP 79.42.9.68 has resumed this WP:DE after getting a Level 4 warning from me, so they should be blocked. I'm not going to bother with AIV in this case, as it's recently been shown that some of the Admins who patrol AIV will refuse to deal with this kind of DE, though you are welcome to try if you think it will yield a block... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:17, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

@IJBall: Luck of the draw on AIV. If they go over the edits it should be obvious. I reported it, see how it goes. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:47, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert

(Gosh, that title sounds sarcastic but it's not.) I think I might have already thanked your edit (I don't remember) but wanted to say that the whole reason I made that category edit to Cameron Boyce is that I was unsure if the death category was diffusing or not (that is to say whether or not it precluded entry in people with epilepsy because it was lower in the tree). WP:EGRS (as well as other category pages) wasn't helping and neither were the articles in the category (even just looking at, say, GAs, some treated it as diffusing and others as not). So I guess now I lean diffusing on it, based on your revert? Heh. - Purplewowies (talk) 17:52, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

@Purplewowies: Non-diffusing categories are supposed to be tagged as such in the category description, which I look for. See WP:Non-diffusing. Without the tagging I generally consider parent categories redundant to any of their subcategories. I believe that making a category non-diffusing requires discussion and consensus as generally that is an exception that needs justification. In this case between Category:People with epilepsy and its subcategory Category:Deaths from epilepsy, the fact he died from it logically implies he had it but since he is dead doesn't really have it now. I don't see the need for non-diffusing in this case. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:28, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Well, time to file that under things I learned today! And yes, that makes sense. I just hadn't wanted to assume at the time with the information I had on hand. (Most of my reason for this edit was actually to fix my signature which for some reason turned into a category and categorized your talk page into the deaths from epilepsy cat, but hey, might as well thank you (again) for the page/info I don't know how I never found since I was scouring cat policy/guidelines before I made the edit. Reminder to myself to look harder for info like this, I guess.) - Purplewowies (talk) 05:45, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Brianna Denski

Note that I have sent this one to WP:AfD – it's a clear WP:NACTOR fail and isn't worth draftifying. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:12, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Blood & Treasure#Two-hour pilot episode counts ONE episode

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Blood & Treasure#Two-hour pilot episode counts ONE episode. Could use another editor here. The usual: People thinking a double-length episode counts as two episodes when it doesn't, further supported by how the episode is sold. I've given this recent editor an edit warring warning just a few minutes ago. Only came across this because IJBall posted about it to the television project page. Amaury • 23:13, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

IP's disruptive edits at Jumanji: The Next Level

Some disruptive IP edits occured at the article. Specifically, the IP changed the part on the 'Release' tab on the article. - The film is scheduled to be released on December 13, 2019. - was changed to - The film is reportedly scheduled to be released on December 13, 2019. I've told him to stop edit warring and I also reported the IP on the Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Edit warring. Regards. VictorTorres2002 (talk) 05:33, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

@VictorTorres2002: He's also using multiple IPs on the range. Last page protect expired July 9. I asked for another protect which may be more effective for a dynamic IP. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:00, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Oh, that's why he is using multiple IP ranges to avoid being detected. I've think that the article, Jumanji: The Next Level should be semi-protected to prevent further disruptive edits made by the disruptive IP. VictorTorres2002 (talk) 06:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

@VictorTorres2002: He's likely not doing it on purpose, it is AT&T wireless so he will get a different IP each time he connects to his cellular data service. Blocks are kind of pointless in this sort of situation, page protects are generally needed. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:12, 15 July 2019 (UTC)