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Thank you new friend! By the way, I have written something you may be interested in on my user page. See you around! Pizpa (talk) 20:34, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

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Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:59, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Wikipedia:Conduct During Disagreement. Thanks! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Wikipedia:Conduct During Disagreement. Thanks! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 17:14, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Welcome

Hi Pizpa,

I saw your profile page and some of your comments. There is not much to disagree with, it's solidly nuanced.

I mostly wanted to say that in most Wikipedia pages, you will not encounter the same kind of behaviors as with other users on the LessWrong edit war. Personally, I frequently edit articles related to artificial intelligence, and almost never get into heated debates. Most of the time, you can just be WP:BOLD and modify articles directly, which makes the editor experience more fluid and fulfilling; talk pages being there only for contentious points. Sometimes it doesn't feel productive to insist on a particular point of contention when there are various other things that could be improved with less effort. If you want to search for articles on a topic you want to focus on, you could check categories. And if you want to estimate the impact of your edits, maybe you could give a check to Pageviews.

See no obligation in my message, if you think it's important, continue. I just wanted to note that in case these discussions feel endless and frustrating, there are various other problems on Wikipedia articles to fix, concepts to better explain, and information to add, etc. Alenoach (talk) 02:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much for dropping by Alenoach! It sounds like we have some common interests.

I think my extreme devotion to fixing a misleading sentence fragment on a backwater page has slightly baffled everyone, even me. But I understand now that it was an experiment, to prove something. It is proof that Wikipedia's policies can be wielded to help break through conflicts between well-intentioned editors with powerful ulterior motives, and help us focus on the true purpose of the project: informing people without pushing them straight to our own conclusions.

I do not see ulterior motives as inherently bad. When we do not know each other, all motives begin as ulterior. Sometimes I wonder if we were to acknowledge them more openly, we might more efficiently discover ways to collectively align our truths and our goods. Distributed consensus should be a journey, not only a destination. With so many powerful minds and hearts contributing, there is the power to transform all of us in delightfully unexpected ways. Pizpa (talk) 13:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions!

I read your two essays Editor conduct during disagreement and Empowering serious hobbyists: a proposal and call to action, and I thought they were great! Hope you keep up the good work! Eliokim (talk) 00:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! These essays came straight from the heart and I so hope that they will inspire others. Pizpa (talk) 19:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)