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Spam in TTEthernet

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Speedy deletion of TTEthernet

Hello, I added the article about TTEthernet again, because I do not completely understand, why it is a reason for speedy deletion. TTEthernet is a new kind of Ethernet, as well as there are existing other variants like 10Mbit/s Ethernet, 100Mbit/s Ethernet and others, which are allowed to be explained..?

If the text sounds to much like an advertising, I would be pleased if you help me, changing the text in an appropriate way, instead of deleting it.

Thank you, --Gnalk (talk) 10:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

The other articles on Ethernet standards (and the standards themselves) differ from TTEthernet in several significant ways. First, they describe established standards, and TTEthernet appears to be a recent innovation by a single company. This does not necessarily mean that an article for TTEthernet is not appropriate, but, like all Wikipedia articles, it must demonstrate notability (WP:N) via independent reliable sources (WP:RS). Unlike the other ethernet related articles, it does not. Lastly, the article is written from an advocacy position. You sound like you are trying to convince the reader why TTEthernet is good. Wikipedia articles should be written with a neutral point of view (WP:NPOV). gnfnrf (talk) 11:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of TTEthernet

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Late welcome

Hello Gnalk, Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

• The five pillars of Wikipedia
• Tutorial
• How to edit a page
• How to write a great article
• Manual of Style

Wikipedia is no place for advertising products and services! There are some rules about this, so it is a good idea to study Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), Wikipedia:Notability (web) and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 13:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello Gnfnrf, I think I finally managed to rewrite the article in a way, that is according to the wikipedia-philosophy. I uploaded it again and am looking forward to your feedback, whether that is ok now or not. Thanks for your good explanations, concerning the mistakes I made. --Gnalk (talk) 11:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Some problems with the TTEthernet article

I agree the article is somewhat better now, but there are some thinks to be mentioned:

1. Is my understanding correct, that TTEthernet extends existing Ethernet? If yes, some words should be said how this happens. Does it wrap Ethernet frames into own frames, does it use fields of the Ethernet frames or whatever else is true.
2. Are their any standadisation effort made
3. Are there patents

Hoping I helped, --Kgfleischmann (talk) 11:24, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Answers to the above stated questions by Kgfleischmann

1. TTEthernet sits on top of layer 2 OSI model and below layer 3. Therefore it can be seen as an extension service to existing Ethernet, which provides hard real-time and synchronization capabilities to Ethernet networks. Those services use standard Ethernet frames.
2. Standardisation is discussed with different industry organizations. The intention is to standardize those services for use in cross-industry applications.
3. Yes, there are patents held by TTTech Computertechnik AG and Honeywell.

Thanks for your comments and help. Shall I implement those answers into the article? --Gnalk (talk) 12:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

"Shall I implement those answers into the article?" Yes, please! --Kgfleischmann (talk) 13:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)