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Hey Graham I’m being anonymous cause I’m lounging by the pool and can’t log in on my phone. Since you’re kind of a math geek I thought you might be interested in this, http://www.aum.edu/logan-project . I’m going to see if I can recruit this guy for Wikipedia, maybe do a little conversion therapy. Cheers! Thanks and take care. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.191.152.152 (talk) 22:34, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Hey Drmies (I take it), thanks for the link ... sounds interesting! Especially the universal accessibility element of the idea. not to mention Logan's story! Graham87 00:41, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

NO, not me at all, why would you think that? Yeah, I know his professor. The guy graduated yesterday and has got a fine resume already, but maybe, if he's got the post-graduation blues, I might could interest him in Wikipedia. All that math stuff goes right over my head of course--although, maybe, with that method it doesn't have to... Drmies (talk) 00:47, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh, now I remember what I was going to ask you--I was wondering if you had an opinion on the notability of the project (whether we could write it up). I'm no geek, I just do poetry, but maybe you can judge this (the guy's resume and the related articles are somewhere in that website). David Eppstein, I understand you know math too...? Drmies (talk) 00:49, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

@Drmies: Perhaps! If he does come on, I won't bite ... too hard. If he's good, I might even give him some advice for navigating this place as a screen reader user ...

As for the notability of the project in terms of Wikipedia, I'm not a good judge of that at all. My instinct would be "not yet", because it's still in a fairly early phase, but I'm far from qualified to judge. Graham87 00:58, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Help us design granular blocks!

Hello :-) The Anti-Harassment Tools team at the Wikimedia Foundation will start building these granular blocking tools in a few weeks and we've asked WMF designer Alex Hollender to help us make some wireframes so the tools are intuitive to MediaWiki users.

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T190350

We have a first draft of how we think this tool should work. You can read the full proposed implementation here but here are the significant parts:

• Granular blocks (page, category, namespace, and file uploading) will be built on top of Special:Block. These blocks will function as if they were regular blocks and allow for the same options, but only take effect on specific pages.
• We will add a new checkbox for "Block this user from the whole site" which will be checked by default. When it is unchecked the admin will be able to specify which pages, categories, and/or namespaces the user should be blocked from editing.
• Granular blocks can be combined and/or overlap. (For example, a user could be simultaneously blocked from editing the articles Rain, Thunder, Lightning, and all pages inside the Category:Weather.)
• Only one block is set at a time, to adjust what the user is blocked from the administrator would have to modify the existing block.
• Block logs should display information about the granular block
• When a blocked user attempts to edit an applicable page, they should see a block warning message which include information on their block (reason, expiration, what they are blocked from, etc.)
• If a category is provided, the blocked user cannot edit either the category page itself and all pages within the category.
• If the File: namespace is blocked, the user should not be allowed to upload files.

We like this direction because it builds on top of the existing block system, both a technical and usability wise. Before we get too far along with designs and development we'd like to hear from you about our prosposal:

1. What do you think of the proposed implementation?
2. We believe this should be an expansion of Special:Block, but it has been suggested that this be a new special page. What are your thoughts?
3. Should uploading files be combined with a File namespace block, or as a separate option? (For example, if combined, when a user is blocked from the File namespace, they would neither be able to edit any existing pages in the File namespace nor upload new files.)
4. Should there be a maximum number of things to be blocked from? Or should we leave it up to admin discretion?

We appreciate your feedback on this project's talk page or by email. For the Anti-Harassment Tools team, SPoore (WMF) (talk) , Trust and Safety Specialist, Community health initiative (talk) 20:54, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Removal of sentence in Tierra del Fuego article

I think "higher latitudes" is pretty self-explanatory.Transportfan70 (talk) 02:56, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

from altitudes

trust you are enjoying the storm from a well sealed and waterproof environment, friends in hobart recently had leaks, but their neighbours had their roof fall in... sorry I do have a terrible tendency to change x, australia to the state rather than the country, it has a more folksie appeal, I am sure you get the gist of that ... JarrahTree 12:46, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

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Date formats

So how is it then? What formats do we use for countries like Sweden and Finland? And then other parts of Europe? I thought your reversion of Ghost Reveries was correct before. I genuinely don't know, I'm not being accusing here. dannymusiceditor ^oops 14:25, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Broken Links on Food Page

Hello Graham,

There are few broken links in Food Wikipedia Article, Kindly remove them as they aren't user-friendly can we replace them with the relevant link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanaafreenahmed (talk • contribs) 13:09, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

hi

Hi graham. How are you?. I want to ask you about Abdkod (talk · contribs) who is arab user contacted me saying he was trying to edit one article here at en.wiki but he cant because he is in ip range which was blocked by you so that auto-creation of account failed. The ip range is 2607:FB90:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 . So if you can give his account an ip exempt so that he can edit. Regards--مصعب (talk) 18:20, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@مصعب: Hi Musab, I'm going well ... I trust you are too. I would add the ipblockexempt flag, but that won't work. Abdkod, please try to create your account under a different IP range, probably using a non-mobile network. Graham87 02:24, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. Understood. Much appreciated. Will tell him. BTW his account was created at ar.wiki without any problems. Regards--مصعب (talk) 07:52, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Another timeline

Hey Graham, what do you think of the timeline on Sum 41? User:Walter Görlitz? I can't make out what's happening with Deryck Whibley, or not easily, and the separate line for "studio albums"--does that mean that Whibley was a touring drummer before he drummed on the studio albums? And that none of the other ones are on studio albums? Oh no--Tom Thacker has a few years of "studio albums" alongside what I think is a dark green line meaning "lead guitar", I think? But Thacker apparently played lead AND rhythm guitar (and did backing vocals) so he should have dark green AND light green (besides pinkish for backing vocals) and for a while black for studio albums? Walter, I do believe you have a million edits on bands and music--can you make us get rid of these headache-inducing graphics? Drmies (talk) 03:56, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Drmies: I can't read it, but the info is inthetext above. Graham87 04:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

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wheatbelt trainstuff

ta for your fixing things, all la de da maybe - but very helpful - thanks! JarrahTree 04:39, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Moree

It looks like Eve pendlebury has created another sock, Joshua Power 3879, who so far has only edited at Moree, New South Wales.[1] I've asked for page protection but the sock now needs blocking. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:34, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

You've got to laugh at the edit to my talk page. Out the back of the bike sheds after school? --AussieLegend (✉) 07:43, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

@AussieLegend: LOL at that message. All dealt with now ... I hope. I was considering semi-protecting the Moree article earlier but wanted to keep it as a honeypot ... but the situation there has gotten a bit ridiculous now. Graham87 07:47, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I expect Narrabri might attract more attention now. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:05, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Rules of netball

The ball fits! (See Talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.16.28.112 (talk) 09:38, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that. Thanks! Graham87 09:44, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

NORBIT picture

Hi Graham, I saw that you removed the link to a picture of four NORBIT modules in the NORBIT article [2]. Unfortunately, the article lacks any illustrations or photos, that's why I added this link to what, I think, is one of the best photos showing NORBIT 2 modules among the few that can be found in the net at all. Does your screenreader provide any means to "describe" pictures? The photo shows four colorful modules looking like over-sized DIP ICs diagonally arranged in front of a matchbox - it's quite a nice photo, a pity that you can't see it for yourself. I would prefer to keep it in the article for as long as nobody turns up a photo that can be included in the article body (which may take some years given the rarity of these modules today). What do you think? Greetings, Matthias --Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Matthias, rules are rules ... if we let that link in, that might start a slippery slope. (We can ignore them, though ...). I'm assuming the images were made by the person who made the site ... who happens to be a Wikipedian. You could try asking him to release any pics he can under a free license, which would be more benificial for all parties. Graham87 18:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

While this is a good idea, I'd like to point out that you are applying WP:ELNO #11 "links to personal web pages" incorrectly. Per the definition given there a personal web page or blog is one about the owner of the page. A privately held page about a non-personal subject is per that very definition not a personal web page. Therefore, the inclusion criteria is quality. If the link to the "NORBIT" modules is a quality link and if it helps to improve the article for as long as we don't have a picture to include directly (which is even better, of course), the link can be included per WP:ELYES and WP:ELMAYBE.

This also applies to that site about Miriam Makeba as well. It is a privately held web page, but not a personal web page. Therefore, our rules don't forbid in any way to include links to it. Again, the inclusion criterium is quality. Is it legal and does its inclusion improve the article or not? That's the question that needs to be answered.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 19:51, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

@Matthiaspaul: Nope, a "content of a personal nature" does encompass a person's interests ... as the article itself says, " Many personal pages only include information of interest to friends and family of the author. However, some webpages set up by hobbyists or enthusiasts of certain subject areas can be valuable topical web directories." However, I've had a think about this specific situation, and since I've made exceptions like this for sounds (with a site about organs called Virtuallybaroque.com, whose author is sadly no longer with us), I thought it'd be good to make an exception for a link to pictures. So I've self-reverted in that case, along with Magic eye tube. Graham87 01:47, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

@Matthiaspaul: I did a bad copy-and-paste in my above message, which made it more unclear. I wrote 'a "content of a personal nature" does encompass ...' but I meant to write 'a "personal website" does encompass ...". Graham87 14:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Power Set

I disagree with the notation. The power set is a \it set \rm of sets.

The notation "\emptyset" is a single element of nothing despite the misleading name LaTeX gave it. It is not a set by itself.

The notation "{\emptyset}" is a set with a single element of nothing in it. It counts as one "set" in the binomial coefficient.

Hope this clarifies my position on the topic. I'd like to see the wiki page revised to reflect {\emptyset}.

Roger — Preceding unsigned comment added by RLGoodwin (talk • contribs) 19:48, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

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Sarin

I’ve finally decided to create an account. Still wondering what the advantages are. I posted the netball size bit. I want your advice. I have a Q about Sarin, and I saw your name in the list, so that’s why I’m here. How do I find this out (about Sarin)? How does a liquid that boils at 158°C be so dangerous (as a gas) at 25°C? Does Sarin have some characteristic that makes it vaporise, or is it just that it’s so deadly even in tiny amounts?

Do I post it on Talk, or ask one of the previous editors? Or what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MBG02 (talk • contribs) 07:54, 30 June 2018 (UTC) I went to sign, 10 seconds after hitting “Publish changes” (when I realised the signature wasn’t automatic) and got a “conflict error”. MBG02 (talk) 09:32, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Why am I blocked as sock puppet from PN on my mobile phone?

@Graham87: Hi Graham87, hope you are well. You put me on a block as a sock puppet although I am not one, and also am not from Pennslyvania nor have I actually ever lived there.

I haven't noticed my edits causing a problem on the talk pages as we typically find consensus. Furthermore, the pages that I am editing have quite a few issues that I am qualified to fix, and even planning to contact Wikipedia's legal team due how frankly, propagandistic some pages are concerning topics that involve wars that the US is currently involved with and has troops on the ground. Sincerely, as an American, I find it troublesome that some of these articles are not even written correctly in some cases at all and almost perplexed on why I was blocked on mobile (it seems that I can still edit on my laptop, so perhaps this was a mistake?). May you please break down exactly what I did wrong to deserve this ban? Thanks and kind regards. --Jamaas9 (talk) 01:19, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Blocks

Thanks very much for your help re the block situation. I'm sorry I didn't realize a checkuser did it. I just went by the message that popped up when I tried to edit. It looks like the editor in the section above may have encountered something similar. Do you think this needs further action or discussion at WP:AN or elsewhere, or did your action take care of everyone else in the same situation? Station1 (talk) 03:20, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

@Station1: Nope, it should all be fine now; my action should've taken care of everyone else in this situation. Graham87 03:25, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Great! Thanks again. Station1 (talk) 03:27, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

As another T-Mobile customer, I too was affected by this rangeblock. Thank you for ignoring all rules! \\\Septrillion:- ~~‭~~10^Eleventeen 04:02, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks ... Comment

Graham....many thanks for your note on my user page. I have made the changes you recommended ...thanks again for your work on Wikipedia... Risk Engineer (talk) 16:12, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

About the "composing" from Randy Brecker

Although the Brecker Brothers page itself doesn't say that the brothers were prominent with composing, the albums say that. Many of their studio albums say "All compositions by Randy Brecker except when noted", along with some by Michael Brecker. Does it still mean I can't add the fact he's a composer, and do I really have to add the information about both of their prominent composing on the Brecker Brothers page itself and Randy Brecker's "biography" section? If I can't, then I don't understand why Michael Brecker is labeled as a composer too. Arthur1124 (talk) 17:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Diamantina Deep

Diamantina Deep article created in 2006 says its 8047m and the deepest point in the Indian Ocean. Java Trench article says its 7725m and (also) the deepest in the Indian Ocean. How do you fix this? I’m guessing the depth for Diamantina hasn’t been corroborated. MBG02 (talk) 16:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

NB at “Diamantina Fracture Zone” it says there’s a 7079m spot (Dordrecht hole): is nearby but different. MBG02 (talk) 16:47, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

PS. Wiki just asked me for donations. I’m guessing you’ve put in well over 10k hours of editing. Did they ask you too? MBG02 (talk) 16:56, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

hahah - it seems a few weeks ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamantina_Deep... JarrahTree 23:51, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Tidying up the bureaucracy left behind by lazy bureaucrats. Hugely appreciated. Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 10:24, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Deletion architecture

Given your interest in page histories, you might like to take a look at phab:T20493. History merges are being discussed in the comments. — JJMC89 (T·C) 03:57, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

@JJMC89: Thanks for the note. I knew about that bug when it was in Bugzzilla, but didn't know about the recent developments. I've subscribed to it. Graham87 04:10, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

2607 range

Hi. I sometimes edit while not logged in, but have recently found this to be nearly impossible. Virtually every time I try to edit a page in the area to which I recently moved (using many different wireless networks), the IP range I am located in has been blocked. Recently these have fallen in an IPv6 Range starting with 2607, all of which seems to have been blanket blocked by you in response to the Dog and Rapper vandalism case. I wanted to ask whether such a large range of IP blocking is necessary to quell this vandalism. Chubbles (talk) 02:47, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

@Chubbles: Unfortunately it's the only way to stop this extroardinarily persistent and disruptive vandal. Drmies knows all about them. Graham87 03:31, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Ugh. I'm sorry. Drmies (talk) 22:57, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Civil engineering

I would like to talk with you about the edits you have deleted from my edits regarding civil engineering systems on the civil engineering page. I am still learning the ropes about Wikipedia contributions and you perhaps felt my edits were too subjective. I accept that may be the case initially but my changes today 25th July I felt were not. You have reverted the entry to one that is simply not correct by the literature we both agree to reference. Civil engineering systems is a discipline that promotes systems thinking to manage complexity and change in civil engineering within the wider context of society - it is not a speciality or sub=discipline within civil engineering as quoted by the authors. I'd be pleased to know your feelings on this point.

Ian.Kirkland76 (talk) 16:43, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

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Civil Engineering Systems

Thanks Graham and for the advice - I appreciate it

Ian.Kirkland76 (talk) 10:24, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

re: using Wikilinks

Hey Graham, thanks for the tip! I have taken on a giant editing project using the AutoWikiBrowser, and your tip will become a part of the edit summary of several thousand articles in the coming weeks. Thanks again. Gene Wilson (talk) 22:48, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

She's back

120.150.255.209, who you've previously blocked as a sock of Eve pendlebury, has returned at Sydney, Narrabri and Scone. --AussieLegend (✉) 14:21, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

@AussieLegend: Thanks for the note; blocked. Graham87 14:28, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

120.17.178.202 is probably the same based on this diff and recent edits. --AussieLegend (✉) 02:03, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

@AussieLegend: Blocked that one too. Graham87 02:14, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Testing new Page Previews screen reader exposure

Hi Graham87, my name is Volker and I work on Design team at Wikimedia Foundation and care about continuous accessibility support of in our products. We've had a quick introduction at some place personally a while ago, maybe it was at Wikimania in Esino Lario?!

We would like to invite you to test exposure of “Page Previews” feature in screen readers. Readers department has successfully released Page Previews on all Wikipedias several months ago. It enables GUI users to have a preview (an image and an excerpt) of an article by hovering or keyboard focussing a link. It helps users to not have to go down rabbit holes and more quickly gather what a linked article/term is about. Due to a series of technical constraints we've needed some extra time to provide a basic support of them in screen readers. Without wanting to bore you, just a sentence: on the pure technical side we've added dynamically aria-describedby on keyboard focus (!) which on its own might not be the right way. But let's continue the bigger story for the moment. :) The test wiki is setup with real content is setup at https://a11y.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page and you should be able to test without registering. It also features MonoBook if you register – I've seen on a Phabricator task that you seem to prefer it over Vector.

Please, if you got an hour to let us know about it's impact on your reading experience. Does it for example actually provide a beneficial improvement in not needing to go back and forth between articles? Or is it to quickly to verbose?

You can either respond here or share your feedback directly on the Phabricator task https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T192627. Thanks in advance, Volker E. (WMF) (talk) 17:15, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Graham, this link will take you to the homepage of that wiki with the monobook skin. If you navigate to another page from there, you will loose the monobook setting, but might save you creating an account. Also note the when Volker says focus, he means actual (tab key) focusable element focus, not accessibility cursor focus. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:24, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

I've responded at Phabricator. You both met me in Montreal, I remember! Graham87 02:07, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your instant action, Graham. Very valuable for us! Also thanks to TheDJ for clarifying further. –Best, Volker E. (WMF) (talk) 12:21, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

wiki account

Please unblock my wiki account I am using it for continuing ed, & research. thanking you in advance. patcanna@yahoo.com .

Isoror93 (talk) 03:49, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Gregory Blaxland

your reversion, quite justified, sort of, Frankston Reservoir (Parks Victoria) has an outflow, the peak overflow runs a channel through a canal up through the Blaxland Avenue Reserve, not listed on Frankston Council site. The reserve runs through Gregory, Blaxland, Wentworth and Lawson Avenues. Finding a ref worthy is, after five minutes, eluding me ... things to do Dave Rave (talk) 07:40, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

it then needs an area of things named after, which can get to be overly large, but it is an interesting note Dave Rave (talk) 07:42, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@Dave Rave: If you feel like adding such a section, go for it. Graham87 07:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

missing revision history

Do you have any idea if the missing edit histories from January - Nov 2001 exist anywhere? An example - the Scientology article was definitely not created by me in October 2001 (here's a version from April 2001 in the Wayback Machine), although I'm on the oldest edit listed in the active and nostalgia database. --The Cunctator (talk) 20:56, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

My user page

Hi Graham. My user page (User:Fish and karate) has a small amount of rotation on it. Please could you advise on whether this causes an accessibility issue for screen readers? Sorry to pester you out of the blue but I remember fixing an issue for you a while back around a misplaced table of contents, and I don't know any other editors who use a screen reader. Thank you. Fish+Karate 09:05, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Question

Hi,

I had another question in the talk page of Ervin Nyiregyházi. I understood what you did was merging, but as per my argumentation, can I change the name of the article to Ervin Nyíregyházi, as it would be correct? Thanks(KIENGIR (talk) 20:39, 10 August 2018 (UTC))

@KIENGIR: I replied at Talk:Ervin Nyiregyházi#Page moving. Graham87 01:45, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Sir Graham

Hello - I'm Ryan, from Maryland, USA, and I've loved the wikipedia as an entity and an ideal since its inception. i spend 95% of my time on Wiki reading. I do contribute occasionally, although almost always I've done this anonymously.

Recently, from my T-Mobile device, I've not been able to edit anything. Nor was I able to retrieve my old password for this very account, which I created in maybe '05-'06...

Nor was I able to create a NEW account.

The reason for such prohibition that I was given included a .jpg of you, and a blank "reason" field.

Only that my IP range had been blocked due to "vandalism".

I can assure you quite completely that I've never vandalize a Wiki article. Truly, I'd rather urinate on my grandmother. I do understand that anonymous edits are somewhat more prone to be malfeasant; this being said, it's a tenet of wikipedia itself to be freely editable by anyone - anytime - and not subject to undue censorship.

The original prophylactic IP range ban was set to expire a few days past. I waited a bit, and tried again just now. The block had just been renewed - by you.

Much keening and wailing, gnashing of teeth and rent garments later I literally drove twenty-two miles (thats like 1000 kilometers) to my mother's house (who has dementia) and searched high and low for the key to the old storage unit, which I found, then drove another forty miles to that one garage-doored unit with the limo containing severed heads in formaldehyde/US flags/dust and other detritus, and found the PC tower I used from '02-'08, BROUGHT IT HOME, used it to access an old email account, used the old email account to reset my Wikipedia password, and am using this opportunity to ask you to maybe not ban entire IP ranges again and again.

Regards:

phideauxiii

(i should also mention that i think you're an incredible human being. i'm not trying to be obsequious... OR AM I?!?)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Phideauxiii (talk • contribs) 09:04, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary

Kpgjhpjm  01:51, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@Kpgjhpjm: Thanks very much ... time flies! Graham87 01:52, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Jenga

Hello. Yesterday, I added a section about rules on the Jenga page. It was deleted, by you, because it did "not follow Wikipedia's style". What exactly is Wikipedia Style? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustAnAverageStudent (talk • contribs) 12:57, 31 August 2018 (UTC)