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Hi, I noticed you removed |country= from {{Infobox radio station}} at KBAQ. I wanted to explain why this parameter should be in every use of this infobox.

I have heard from editors in the radio field, "Why do that when the call sign is country-specific?" The main reason is that it has been commonly requested by non-topic editors, and it does help a reader who may not be from, say, the United States. At one point, a user would add ", US" into the city line on every radio station I took to DYK. It also is useful in cases where the article title is not a call sign. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:47, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

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• <ref>[https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-BC-YB/1950/RADIO%20&%20TV%20ALL%20YB%201950%20B&W-11.pdf ''[[Broadcasting & Cable|Broadcasting Yearbook]] 1950'' page 106. Retrieved Nov. 21, 2023.]</ref>

This markup has a wikilink within an external link. I found the yearbook and fixed the article reference using {{cite magazine}}:

• <ref>{{cite magazine |magazine=[[Broadcasting & Cable|Broadcasting Yearbook]] |date=1950 |title=Directory of AM, FM, and TV Stations of the United States |page=106 |url=https://www.worldradiohistory.com/Archive-BC-YB/1950/RADIO%20&%20TV%20ALL%20YB%201950%20B&W-11.pdf |quote=WTUX 1949. 1290. 500D. Port Frere Bcstg Co. Inc. 1326 Market St. |access-date=November 21, 2023}} (PDF page 38).</ref>

The yearbook has a different start date and address from the one you inserted into the article. I changed the start date but not the address. You might want to come back and fix the addresss. I encourage you to use {{cite magazine}} for references involving Broadcasting Yearbook. Earlier, I fixed KOIL in a similar way. —Anomalocaris (talk) 18:56, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hello. I added the same attribution that was used in the KFXD-TV Wikipedia page about no ABC affiliation for Channel 6 in its first attempt to stay on the air. Gregg - nh153 (talk) 14:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at WSVH, you may be blocked from editing. Drmies (talk) 02:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Can you show some examples of where I went wrong? You say "poorly sourced." But the original article only has two sources. I added Radio-Locator.com and Broadcasting Yearbook 1983 to my writing. That doubled the sources. And I believe Radio-Locator and Broadcasting Yearbook are considered good sources.

The article gives WSVH's format as reverted to "public radio." But public radio isn't a good format description. Some public radio stations may play classical music most of the day. Some play AAA. Some have no music at all and run all spoken word programming. Yet all fall under "public radio." I looked at WSVH's website for its schedule and tried to give a better description of its format, with links to some of the top NPR syndicated shows.

And should any of us, the first time talking with someone, threaten to revoke privileges? Do you think I was trying to mislead people about WSVH? Or do you simply disagree with some things I wrote, which would not prompt someone to use the phrase "blocked from editing", "please stop" or use an explanation mark in a red triangle. Aren't those words and symbols a bit strong for someone trying to honestly tell the WSVH story, even if we disagree about the wording? Gregg - nh153 (talk) 03:31, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

I haven't seen a reply to my questions. If someone threatens to "block from editing", shouldn't you explain where I went wrong? Gregg - nh153 (talk) 23:26, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

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I noticed the changes you made at KUUB that were reverted. As the primary author of that article in its current state and hundreds of others, I wanted to point out something that I think your attempt encapsulates. For a long time, pretty much every broadcasting article had a one-paragraph lead or two short paragraphs. But a good lead section is a summary of the article's contents—not whatever we were doing. This only came to broadcasting topics because of my work with the Good Article process, where reviewers from other areas with a feel for project-wide policies and guidelines looked at my articles.

The need for a lead to be a summary and accessible is also why we don't do this: KUUB is a Class C3 station with an effective radiated power (ERP) of 450 watts. The transmitter is in the Oquirrh Mountains southwest of West Valley City. Programming is also heard on the HD4 subchannel of 90.1 KUER-FM. These two sentences have a lot of jargon in them, especially for a lead. While most items in an infobox should also be in an article, MOS:INFOBOXEXCEPTIONS foresees exactly this type of exception: There will be exceptions where a piece of key specialised information may be placed in the infobox, but is difficult to integrate into the body text. We have multiple such pieces in our infoboxes in broadcasting. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:42, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

You make some good points. But then why was everything reverted? Either everything I did was wrong or someone just wanted to keep everything the way it was. Is the best format description for this station "public radio"? I don't think KUUB sounds anything like what most "public radio" format descriptions are. I went into detail but that was all reverted to public radio. Should we not tell people that the station has another way to tune in, through KUER-FM? Didn't we stop bold facing previous call letters?

You say that a good lead section should be a summary of the article's contents. But two long paragraphs? Doesn't that fatigue the reader? If what you say is true, that articles about radio stations should have long lead paragraphs which can also be found in "History", then isn't 95% of all radio articles wrong?

I appreciate your comments. But am I wrong to think WCquiddich just likes their version better than my version and deletes everything I took time to write? That happens repeatedly. It is discouraging. If ALL my work can be deleted in a single stroke, with no attempt to save some of it, I wonder why I'm doing this. Gregg - nh153 (talk) 13:26, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I think the point was that there were things added that did not need to be added and that the article was closer to best practices as it was before. Let me answer some of your comments (and some from above):

• "Public radio" as a format is technically language-agnostic. I've put the fact that the language is Spanish in the infobox, because that is merited. I have added a description in the body of the program content of Radio Bilingüe. As it pertains to KUUB, which seems to be using the network to bide time until it builds out local programming (coming March 2025), it's not all that relevant. We also have an article on Radio Bilingüe itself.
  • I do agree that sometimes "public radio" alone is not enough of a descriptor as public radio networks often incorporate two or three feeds with varying amounts of music and talk. WSVH has no local programming now, so any description of formats and programming really belongs in the parent Georgia Public Broadcasting, but "news and classical" makes sense.
    • I understand why the reversion call was made at WSVH, as it added a lot of uncited text: the programming section needed a citation at least to the GPB schedule page. (A summary of programming is doable for a public radio station: e.g. WBAA#Programming or KEXP-FM#Programming. But in the WSVH case, that summary belongs in the GPB article.)
    • A summary of programming, at least local programming, probably will be merited in KUUB once Avanza 88.3 truly launches next year.
• Mentioning KUER-HD4 in the lead: The article already mentions the HD Radio subchannel, and that jargon is just not going to fly in a lead. MOS:INTRO states, Make the lead section accessible to as broad an audience as possible. Where possible, avoid difficult-to-understand terminology, symbols, mathematical equations and formulas.
• Bolding of previous call letters: Yes, they shouldn't be bolded in the body at all, but I think in this particular case, when the station only had one call sign pre-KUUB and had it for 30 years (not counting suffix changing), it is merited in the lead. MOS:BOLD notes, This is also done at the first occurrence of a term (commonly a synonym in the lead) that redirects to the article or one of its subsections, whether the term appears in the lead or not (see § Other uses, below). This is not a requirement: for instance, it will not be desirable in a case where a large number of terms redirect to a single article. That second sentence is why we don't bold in the body of the article. But KCPW redirects here, and because that was the call sign or base of it for 30 years, it's something that people might look for. I think a bolded second call sign in the lead is often a reflection of a station that had a very substantial history as something totally different in format (think KWKW's KFAC era and WKVB (FM)'s WAAF era), to the point where a non-topic editor might deem them to be separate entities altogether. If the station had three or four prior call signs and didn't have much of a history with them, then I would not bold.
  • Articles that merit this treatment often should have, instead of a single "History" level-2 header, multiple headers, at least one of which pertains to the former call sign/"identity".
• The length of a lead section should generally be proportional to the article. MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests, The length should conform to readers' expectations of a short, but useful and complete, summary of the topic. Few well-written leads will be shorter than about 100 words. The leads in most featured articles contain about 250 to 400 words. The current lead of KUUB is 270 words; the article in total has 1,402 words (so it's about 19% of the article's "weight"). The lead might be a touch long for this article, particularly compared to similarly sized articles in other fields: that is because the way new-type leads in broadcasting are structured means they often have an extra paragraph (paragraph 1 never contains history details), so there is a higher "floor" for their length, particularly in smaller articles. For instance, KUVI-DT (one of my recent GAs) has a 280-word lead in 1,274 words total, a lead weight of just under 22 percent.
• Radio-Locator has been deprecated as a source because of reliability issues. It was displaying incorrect information. We've removed templates that pointed to it.

I know this is a lot of replies to different concerns, but I wanted to walk you through my rationale in rebuilding KUUB and also my thoughts on how WSVH should look. I'd probably do more with WSVH, but alas, we lack the full-run Savannah Morning News. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

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