Guidolegnaioli
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- Berean Hunter, can you please note the reason for the block here? The editor would like to request an unblock, but needs the instructions. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:54, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
- Berean Hunter this is not true. I'm in contact with the composer's fan club, and i DIDN'T WANT to create promootional articles or help the launch of a new album. I just wanted to create an article basing on the structure of other biographies on Wp. I didn't think that Wp was a court, where everything i say in forums is used against me. I said that i'm in contact with the composer to express me easier and faster, but i'm not, but according on your accuses there is no way for anybody famous, notable or not to stay in wikipedia: if i take a photo of the composer, than i know the composer, and for reasons which you only know this is an abuse. If i take a photo from the archives of the fan club, (with their total permission) than it is not my own work, and this is an abuse. If i edit an article of a living person whose notability is proved, than it's an abuse for promotion/dishonesty.
I think this is all crazy. In the italian wp the article is about to be published, it will pass the notability as the new album goes out (i don't know when) according to the wp italian rules for composers. Have fun. --Guidolegnaioli (talk) 14:17, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
September 2017
edit | This account has been blocked indefinitely as a sock puppet that was created to violate Wikipedia policy. Note that using multiple accounts is allowed, but using them for illegitimate reasons is not, and that all edits made while evading a block or ban may be reverted or deleted. If this account is not a sock puppet, and you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here ~~~~}} below. — Berean Hunter (talk) 12:45, 7 September 2017 (UTC) |
Guido is a free lancer that is helping the article subject's promotion of a new album, Horos which is coming out in a few weeks. He tried to create the article on the Italian WP but they rightfully flagged his versions as promotional. His response that he contacted the composer, "con cui effettivamente sono in contatto", but doesn't know the composer, "persona che non conosco ne io ne il compositore" doesn't sit well with the facts surrounding his file upload at Commons. That file was claimed as his own work but was taken in 2010 so something is dishonest. Either he had met the man before or he didn't take that photo. To show 2010 wasn't a mistake, Guido places it in the caption here.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 12:49, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
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- Berean Hunter this is not true. I'm in contact with the composer's fan club, and i DIDN'T WANT to create promootional articles or help the launch of a new album. I just wanted to create an article basing on the structure of other biographies on Wp. I didn't think that Wp was a court, where everything i say in forums is used against me. I said that i'm in contact with the composer to express me easier and faster, but i'm not, but according on your accuses there is no way for anybody famous, notable or not to stay in wikipedia: if i take a photo of the composer, than i know the composer, and for reasons which you only know this is an abuse. If i take a photo from the archives of the fan club, (with their total permission) than it is not my own work, and this is an abuse. If i edit an article of a living person whose notability is proved, than it's an abuse for promotion/dishonesty. And in the block reason you keep writing that i have multiple accounts, and this is FALSE TOO.
I think this is all crazy. In the italian wp the article is about to be published, it will pass the notability as the new album goes out (i don't know when) according to the wp italian rules for composers. Have fun. --Guidolegnaioli (talk) 14:18, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- Did you take that photo or not? Did you take it from fan club archives and then declare that you took the photo?
— Berean Hunter (talk) 14:24, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- Berean Hunter i didn't take the photo, i had the permission from the fanclub to use it as mine for whatever i wanted, because i wanted to contribute to the article. And that's it.
- Okay, do you understand that when you uploaded it and stated that it was yours (a policy violation in its own right) that you created some of the evidence against yourself? That isn't unfair if I'm using what you wrote to make that assessment. The fan club are the meatpuppets that showed up at the deletion request? Do you register that there has been meatpuppetry in this case?
— Berean Hunter (talk) 14:40, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- Okay, do you understand that when you uploaded it and stated that it was yours (a policy violation in its own right) that you created some of the evidence against yourself? That isn't unfair if I'm using what you wrote to make that assessment. The fan club are the meatpuppets that showed up at the deletion request? Do you register that there has been meatpuppetry in this case?
- Berean Hunter I just thought that things were easier, so if i had the permission to use a photo as mine, i didn't think that i was acting a violation in this case.
The only contact i had with the fan club has been for the photo and some informations about the composer. I really don't think that there has been meatpuppetry in the discussion about the deletion, i just wrote my opinion and than i've seen that a "senior user" has deleted the issue, other people wrote but i thought they were "normal users".
- "I said that i'm in contact with the composer to express me easier and faster, but i'm not"
- That was the second thing where you indicate that you thought it might make things easier but in reality that made for another stumbling block. You can't really blame us for finding the discrepancies can you? As for the meatpuppetry, please see the contributions for these accounts:
- After looking at those, do you still stand by your statement that you don't see meatpuppetry? ...or how do you explain those accounts?
— Berean Hunter (talk) 15:06, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
- After looking at those, do you still stand by your statement that you don't see meatpuppetry? ...or how do you explain those accounts?
- Berean Hunter maybe i'm in good faith or ingenuous, i thought they were normal users, and now i can imagine that some supporters of the composer have looked for a biography of Cavallone on wp and at the moment the english version is the only one pubblished, so they have contributed. As i see here they might have been solicited to do that to be meatpuppetry, and i haven't done it, i don't know if somebody else has, really.
The same, i really didn't think that acting or editing in Wikipedia was that difficult and that everything i said would be examined like this. I'm sorry anyway, i was, and i am in good faith.
- I'm not convinced. You may read the guide to appealing blocks and file an unblock request so that you may have other admins consider your case.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 14:32, 8 September 2017 (UTC)