HGP7

September 2023

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at The Cars (album). What was the point of the edit? It appears to be bad faith and low quality. ItsCheck (talk) 23:11, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

The edit I made the The Cars album page was absolutely not either bad faith or vandalism. If you disagree with the edit, you can revert if and give your reason but the edit did not cause any damage to the information of the page. HGP7 (talk) 00:07, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

I won't revert it unless it was a bad faith edit. What was the motive behind it? ItsCheck (talk) 23:22, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

On other album pages I have seen like Their Satanic Majesties Request where all songs are written by the same person or same people with the exception of one, they would just list the song at the top (i.e all songs written by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards except "In Another Land" by Bill Wyman). I was just simplifying the writing credits on The Cars (album) since only one was not solely written by Ric Ocasek. HGP7 (talk) 23:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Returning to this, I have put the edit back as no response was given, and I believe my case is fair based on Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Album article style advice. HGP7 (talk) 01:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Nirvana song writing credits

Hi HGP7, regarding the song writing credits of Nirvana's Nevermind songs, although the original 1991 liner notes say that lyrics were by Kurt Cobain and music was by Nirvana, there has been some updates since then which anyone familiar with the detail of Nirvana's history would be aware of. Firstly, on both the From the Muddy Banks of the Wishkah from album from 1996 and the Nirvana album from 2002, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is the only Nevermind song where all three band members are given writing credits, the rest are accredited to Kurt Cobain. Also, the Nevermind 20th anniversary Deluxe and Super Deluxe releases, and Nevermind 30th anniversary Deluxe and Super Deluxe releases also say in the liner notes that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was the only Nevermind song written by all three band members and that the rest were all written by Kurt Cobain. Wikipedia also prefers published books as sources and I know there are many that back up the fact that "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was the only song on Nevermind written by all three.QuintusPetillius (talk) 07:59, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Hey there QuintusPetillius, you do raise a valid point about the songs writing credits, I was unaware at the time of what those other releases said so I will reverse the edits HGP7 (talk) 21:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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Personnel sections

Hi. Please stop editing personnel sections without providing a reliable source for those changes. On the Radiohead articles you have edited, for example, you have added changes that don't reflect the given sources. Thanks. Popcornfud (talk) 16:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey there, If you are referring to the edits I made to the personnel sections for The Bends and OK Computer, which I believe are the only ones, those edits were made to reflect what the CD liner notes said (such as adding string arrangements or changing vocals to voice). If there is confusion around specifically the string arrangements, they are still listed in the liner notes just in different parts. Thanks HGP7 (talk) 16:38, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi there. I took a look at the liner notes for The Bends and Karma Police but I couldn't see info that matched the changes you made in those articles. It's possible I misread them or missed something — if so, please let me know here and we can adjust the articles again. Popcornfud (talk) 16:51, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

After looking over again, I am still confident in my edit for The Bends but you are right about Karma Police, that was my mistake HGP7 (talk) 17:06, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

You're right — the "string arrangements" credit is on a different page from the rest of the band credits. Thanks for that. Popcornfud (talk) 17:12, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

On that topic, please undo this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Out_of_Time_(album)&diff=next&oldid=1229816933 ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

The edit I made is not unsourced, it’s from the CD. If there is another issue that I am overlooking, I am willing to hear it out HGP7 (talk) 02:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Please reinsert the track names, not numbers. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

I can make that change, I will be keeping the additional information I added though. Although, it may make the personnel extra wordy. HGP7 (talk) 02:22, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks kindly. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:15, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

No problem, it has been done HGP7 (talk) 03:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

over on "The Final Cut" Page, we are conforming personnel track numbers with original tracklist which is why the personnel track numbers were not your prefered ones. Craigevans2 (talk) 15:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

weezer

hi here is proof rivers played harmonica on the blue album look at the song credits and scroll and click show more. https://genius.com/albums/Weezer/Weezer-the-blue-album Loidforger555 (talk) 22:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

also here is more proof. https://www.google.com/search?q=who+plays+harmonica+on+my+name+is+jones&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS1076US1076&oq=who+plays+harmonica+on+my+name+is+jon&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJv Loidforger555 (talk) 22:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey there, a head’s up is that Genius features user-generated content which means it is not considered a reliable source by Wikipedia’s standards. HGP7 (talk) 22:39, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

i also provided another link to anothr sorsce in my sceond comment. Loidforger555 (talk) 23:43, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

That is not a link to a website or proper source. Is it possible you sent the wrong link? HGP7 (talk) 23:45, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

15 Step

Out of question, is there a reason you keep removing the instruments played by each member on the page for 15 Step? I understand that iTunes is under WP:ALBUMAVOID, but "avoid" does not mean that it cannot be used altogether, and in the absence of liner notes (which I can't seem to find online anywhere), I personally don't see the good of removing information for the sake of it. Leafy46 (talk) 01:19, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Fair question. In cases like this where there are no liner notes to say which members play what, it’s safer to not list anything. For example, most Radiohead song pages do not have a personnel section. Streaming services are somewhat notorious for not being perfect when it comes down to who plays what. I agree that removing information “for the sake of it” is bad but we have to guarantee the information is from a good source and is true. Otherwise it should not be there. HGP7 (talk) 01:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, thanks for your quick response. I don't 100% agree with discounting streaming services, but I definitely see your point and, after looking at a few other Radiohead song pages for confirmation, am okay with leaving specific instrumentation off of this page. Leafy46 (talk) 01:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

R.E.M. accordion

Hi HGP7, I noticed your edit on Melodica in music removing the claim that Find the River included melodica. The interview you referenced in your related edit makes that clear, and listening to it I agree it's definitely accordion. I listened to the remaining 2 R.E.M. songs, and, though I couldn't find sources, I'm pretty sure "Boy in the Well" is also accordion, so I removed it. In the last case of "Endgame" it does sound plausibly like a melodica (based on its characteristic out-of-tuneness), but I was curious if you are able to find any sources that weigh in on that. It's a real challenge how labels and artists aren't in the habit of publishing who plays what instruments on their recordings! Cheers - StereoFolic (talk) 16:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey StereoFolic, I would also stand by your edit for “Boy In The Well.” There was not source in favour of it being a melodica either so I think it was ok to remove it. In the case of Endgame, that song does use a melodica. I own the CD copy of Out of Time and in the liner notes it states that Michael Stipe performs bass melodica on that song. And yes I absolutely agree that it’s a bit frustrating that they don’t tend to list performers anymore. Thank you for the question! HGP7 (talk) 16:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh wow - if you get a chance to write out a ref to that source, that would be a great contribution, since that article doesn't have any mentions of bass melodica. Actually I think English Wikipedia doesn't currently mention any uses of bass melodica in music! StereoFolic (talk) 01:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I just added a reference to the liner notes and specifically mentioned that it was a bass melodica now. HGP7 (talk) 01:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Brilliant, thanks! StereoFolic (talk) 02:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)