Hetoum

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Ashot II

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Hi Hetoum. Of course Armenians and Georgians are very much connected culturally and historically. Tao/Tayk as well as the Armeno-Georgian marchlands in the east (Gogarene) is perhaps the best example. Not only the two peoples frequently allied to counter the Muslim expansion, but cultural influences moved permanently in both directions. Their ruling families intermarried frequently. Many Armenian nobles who had taken refuge in the possessions of the Georgian Bagratids (Bagrationi) were given high offices and played an important role in the region. However, when the Georgian political dominance was established in Tao-Klarjeti with the rise of the Bagrationi in the early 8th century, Georgian culture also became dominant aided by the presence of a large Chalcedonic Armenian community. Many of them, over time, adhered not only to the Georgian version of Christianity, but also to the Georgian culture in general. That’s why the local Armenians were generally referred to by the Byzantines as Iberians, i.e., Georgians. Interestingly, non-Chalcedonic Georgians in Gogarene were known to their Chalcedonic kins as Somekhni or Somkhitarni, i.e., Armenians. Best wishes, Kober 09:17, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

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Sure

I still have my Soviet encylopedic volume and my grandfather was in the Sassuntsi Davit tank division and heard and knows some stories about them. I'll be happy to add some info on them. --MarshallBagramyan 01:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

There's numerous other divisions made up of Armenian soldiers during the war. I looked up the Soviet Encylopedia and found several pages detailing the feats of the units but didn't arrive to the part talking about the Tumanyan Division. My grandfather heard several stories about them and I'll ask him more about them.

Was your grandfather a foot soldier, a member of the Guards perhaps? Mine commanded a T-34 tank during the war. --MarshallBagramyan 07:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject: Armenia

Hakob and I, decided to make a Wikiproject for Armenia. We hope that you and other Armenian wikipedia editors, will take the time to expand Armenian related articles and create new articles on topics currently without one. Please feel free to share your thoughts on the project and have fun! Here is the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Armenia --Moosh88 01:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

SL

Sedat Laciner is on Wikipedia contributing under two different usernames, please keep and eye on him, as he has already begun his POV pushing campaign. His user name is Slaciner, I don't know the other name he uses. Please contact me if you have any questions or something important comes up, thanks!--Moosh88 23:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The {{sockpuppet}} tags

The reason why I placed multiple {{sockpuppet}} tags on your user page is because I have reason to suggest that you are editing form those IPs without logging in. Please log in when you edit; that way, you can be responsible for the edits that you make. If you would otherwise feel uncomfortable being known for having made those edits, then perhaps you shouldn't make those edits, a number of which may be considered vandalism, from what I see. Please reconsider your pattern of behavior. I apologize if I'm off the wall on this. If you believe that I am in error on this, I can file a CheckUser request to see if you indeed edited from those IPs. --Nlu (talk) 15:44, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Hagop Kazazian Pasha

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Country survey for Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia

Which country do you live in specifically (I'm doing this so I can include a flag next to your name on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia participation list). -- Clevelander 20:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Atrpet

Hi Hetoum. I noticed you moved that article to a few other names of his. The correct way to make a redirect is start a new page and then have it say: #REDIRECT [[(page name)]]

BTW, I think the page should be at Atrpet because that was the name he was most known by, compare him to Mark Twain for example. Cheers. —Khoikhoi 00:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I will remove the tags, as long as you promise me that you will not return to childish vandalism as you did back in March. Is that a deal?

BTW, there's already a Artsvashen article. —Khoikhoi 19:03, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Sockpuppet tags

They will be removed if you promise not to vandalize or edit war. Meanwhile, because you are removing the tags which are patently true based on your edit history, your user page has been protected. It will be unprotected if, again, you promise not vandalize or edit war. --Nlu (talk) 23:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to Van Resistance

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Your edits to Van Resistance is deleting the content that is worked hard on by both sides of the issue. Your understanding of the concept is limited. The article is intended to explain from the begining to the end of the movement 1915-1918 in this region. Please stop this activity. If you want to add information that we can verify you are welcome. --OttomanReference 02:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:RM

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About: How wikipedia articles are created.

The articles are created by many users within time. The main criteria that makes an addition to stay in a page is their validity and credibility (correct citation). No one owns the articles. An article has more credibility, when the statements were cross checked from different authors (here comes the citation rule again). It is impossible to work when one of the authors act besides value of the truth. Let be more political and say "respecting different perspectives on the issue". There is no sentence added by me on that article, as the opposing side did not want to accept any idea besides what they were thought (some say "besides their dogmatism"). Sometimes, (rarely) it is possible to find collaboration such as in the "Van Resistance" case. Hope this covers your question, which you could have discovered by looking at the history of the article, instead of asking--OttomanReference 03:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC).

Van Resistance

What's the problem this time? Khoikhoi 05:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

If the Van Resistance only occurred in the city of Van, and not in the rest of Van vilâyet, then yes, I agree with you. The history of the vilâyet can be discussed in a separate article. In fact, I've just created Van Province, Ottoman Empire for you, based on the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition. It needs some updating; I've made everything into the past tense for now. Cheers, Khoikhoi 05:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I've tagged the sections that you're talking about. You can try asking MarshallBagramyan about it also if you want. In regards to unsourced information, Jimmy Wales has said:

I can NOT emphasize this enough.
There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons. [1]

Khoikhoi 23:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

In that case, you can try asking him for specific quotes. I'll check out the article tomorrow. Khoikhoi 06:52, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Sources

User:Hetoum: ssays: In Van Resistance article, can you cite sources for this sentence? The next day 20 April 1915 Armenians in the city of Van,in the surrounding countryside, and in small towns began a local uprising with pitchforks, wrenches, pipes, and other makeshift weapons. Hetoum 22:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Van Resistance has been a very active article, which many Armenian editors (nearly all the major ones) had contributed. before you show up. Some with very artistic wording. When you first begin to edit that article, you were against some of the edits brought by them. It is funny that I found myself defending those and It is nice that you think the article (top to bottom) is written by me. However, simply checking the talk page, you can see that the text in question was found by me a "very improbable" as they were against the armed soldiers. Most of my editions from ottoman sources about the uprising was also removed at that time. Hope this works for you. --OttomanReference 04:52, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Every editor has a different style. These articles are very touchy for most people. Let me give you an example: If you insist on a text at the van defense, you will see that I will inform you about the issue but not delete your additions. You will also notice that there are points which I think critical, I tried to insist on them. I believe that sentence was a reflection of an editor to an event which there was very strong feeling associated with it, that is all. I respect that feeling. I have a very strong feelings about what happened to Armenians. But the events (period) are not simple and they have many dimensions. And really "pitchforks, wrenches, pipes" does not change the factuality of an uprising which forced to retreat 1,500 ottoman soldiers. The most important part is in the article, Ottomans retreat, and they come again, they retreat again which this cycle lasted until 1918 April. Ofcourse there are other issues, such as what happened to Kurdish tribes and their forces. They were living in the same area. Article does not even mention them, and I'm not going to try to add those to the story as a backdrop. Simply, you can only add/delete things that other editors accept. I need to work on another thing have a nice day. --OttomanReference 05:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Van Resistance/temp

A tag has been placed on Van Resistance/temp, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

This is a dummy page copied from Van Resistance

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet very basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Must.^{T C} 18:39, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I think you meant to make the page in your own user space, as a subpage of your user page. You can't make such temp pages in article space, as a subpage of the article. If you want to work on a copy of a WP page, you must move it to a subpage of your own user space, and you may only keep it there if you actually intend to work on it. If that is what you want, you can move it there, or I or anyone can move it for you. But if all you want to do is refer to an earlier version of the page, it will be in the page history and you can always get it from there. If you want me to move it, tell me. DGG 22:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

At your request I have moved it to User:Hetoum/Van Resistance when you have finished working on it, it should eventually be deleted. When you want it removed,

type {{db-userreq}} at the top of the page and it will be removed in a day or two. DGG 06:08, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Yep, you did it too soon. If it was a prior version of the actual article, its easy to get it back. Go to the Van Resistance page, and click the history tag at the top. The list shows every change made. You can see any specific one by clicking on the date and time. find the one you want, and tell me which one it is. Then I can make the page again from it.

The last one you edited was 00:20. April 18, Is that it? Reply here, I'll keep an eye out for it. DGG 00:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think it was. What I had done make a temp page and copy the original article. I had started to work on it seperately, and I got some work done it before this deletion. Can you get it back or should I simply recreate User:Hetoum/Van Resistance and work on it.Hetoum 00:27, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I have just put it back for you, at a slightly different name; User:Hetoum/Sandbox Van Resistance and then you can work on it, and don't put on the deletion tag again till you are ready to delete. (we call these working areas sandboxes, like the ones children play in, and the name will remind you that it's there to work on.) When you are ready to propose it a a substitute, ask first; let me know and I'll advise you--if you are not tactful about it it will just cause the same problems over again. DGG 01:43, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, much obliged! Hetoum 01:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar :) Ashkani 22:28, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

new young ed. in need of help.

Hetoun, could you possibly give some assistance and encouragement to User:Gevo227, apparently a student in a Armenian HS in the US--see his comment at WP:Articles_for_deletion/Century_High_School_of_Santa_Monica, by suggesting to him some articles he might help with to get himself started editing productively. Your friend,DGG 06:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Century High

Hi thanks for being so understanding. this is my first page and i feel like the world of wikis against me. Well heres how it is i go to a small school in SM and its not well know so i decided to make a wiki about it. I know the school dosent have a site now so i dont know what i can do. I told my cousin he posted the school name in an Armenian Wiki. Heto im still getting all these comments about blanking and user signature which i still don't know how to do. Hey i checked out your posting im very impressed please keep posting information about Armenians.I didnt now alot of those things from your articles. Also my real Names Levon. Wiki isent much of a people place. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gevo2267 (talk • contribs) 06:31, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

Problem chi Aper, I still have problems with the signing thing. Gevo2267 1;12Pst 2-30-07

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