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Note that if you want to retrospectively alter your signature, retarget a redirect or other trivial change I don't really care. Hut 8.5 17:43, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of Crest placeholder on St Hugh's College webpage

Hi,

My name is Simon Wedge, I am the webmaster for St Hugh's College, I have recently signed up to Wikipedia (under the username Shugit) in the hopes of uploading a new SVG crest image which is currently missing from the College page.

I have previously edited the webpage under the IP address 129.67.36.36.

My account is not yet verified so I cannot upload the image at the moment. Can either you upload the SVG image, which can be found here- St Hugh's SVG Crest File [1] or can you verify my account so I can do it myself.

Many Thanks,

Simon Wedge Shugit (talk) 14:25, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Template:Lang-bn

Hi, Mr Simon Wedge,

I think, you set this template small. If it's true, Please, undo your 'edit' from Template:Lang-bn for larger font size. It needs magnifying glass to read!

Thanks.

Mmh-duke (talk) 02:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry! my mistake.

Mmh-duke (talk) 16:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bullshido.net (4th nomination)

Hi, Hut 8.5. Because you participated in Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 October 2#Bullshido.net, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bullshido.net (4th nomination). Cunard (talk) 21:19, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Michael Jackson Page vandalism

Hello Hut 8.5, How are you doing?you got a cool name by the way. This editor by the name of Pyrrhus16 keeps changing the lead paragraphs of the Michael Jackson page. This age has been structured one way for the longest time. I also believe that he is sock sock puppetry by writing from an ip address besides using his wiki name. Other editors have spoken to him about yet he still does this. I just noticed that you're taking a break to study Good luck with exams. ill also write one more admin in the mean time.Knighttrain (talk) 16:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank You knighttrain —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knighttrain (talk • contribs) 16:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Malamanteaux

There is no mention of "malamanteaux" in the original comic, nor in any of the reliable sources that reference that comic. There is simply no reason for this redirect to exist. Please do not recreate it.  Grue  18:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

It was probably added midway through the discussion by some anon and nobody noticed it. Because there's no way it should be a redirect. Therefore I'm applying WP:IAR here until someone can provide me a single instance of "malamanteaux" being used in a "reliable source".  Grue  18:23, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Redirects have to make sense. This one doesn't. No one would actually search for "malamanteaux" on Wikipedia, because this supposed plural version of the word wasn't mentioned by xkcd. If anything, it should redirect to MetaFilter, because that's where it was used first (way before xkcd). But then, it was just a random comment, and we don't create a redirect for each random comment on some random website.  Grue  19:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Malamanteaux for RfD

In order to resolve the debate here before the wheel war fully takes off, I have listed it here: [[2]]. Your input would be welcome, I have provided a summary of what seems to be going on in the scenario from my third-party view, but may be missing important context, thus I would be glad for you to give a statement clarifying reasons for deleting/keeping. Regards, --Taelus (Talk) 19:31, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Apologies

I'm going to recuse myself from any further conversation on the Bullshido topic. The "stalker" issue, on top of a nasty AfD (that I think I already had erred in tone on), has apparently left me a bit unhinged! I'm not used to Wiki-editing being a potentially scary experience. Anyway, this is just a response to what you just posted on DRV. Consider it acknowledged and agreed with, and my own little bit of unfortunate flame-fanning there apologized for. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡbomb 20:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Dry July

Hi, i am the founder of the Dry July chairty (http://www.dryjuly.com) and would like to add some content to Wikipedia about Dry July but i can see that the page has been created and removed. What can i do to get this page back online? Thanks... Pmgrove (talk) 10 June 2010

deletion of Lemondawg Productions

I disagree with your reason for having deleted the page about lemondawg productions. if you could please explain your reason more clearly and pinpoint where in the article i made my mistake i would be glad to fix it. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lemonzap (talk • contribs) 23:12, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Allan Louisy

		The BLP Barnstar
		I saw what you did to the Allan Louisy article, and I wanted to give you this, as it was the first time I have ever seen someone remove the BLP unsourced tag, and then source everything in the article. It may be a small article at the moment, but they all matter! Canadian Paul 18:54, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Greetings!

Hello Hut 8.5, Wilhelmina Will has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Greetings, Hut 8.5! I hope you have a good day! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 20:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Broken User Page Link

I expect no response but wanted to alert you that the BJAODN link you give on your user talk page is broken. Just thought you might like to know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onlyobsessed (talk • contribs) 08:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

IFES Ireland article deletion!

Hey I was about to create a new page for IFES Ireland, when I noticed that you had deleted the page, because it was an insignificant organisation. I believe that you made a mistake. IFES Ireland are an Christian charitable group, similar to UCCF in the UK, and is a part of the International Fellowship of Evangelical Students internationally. They are also in operation on 26 different university / Information Technology campuses in both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. Please get back to me if you think it is OK to give me the go ahead to set up another page - Garethppls (talk) 09:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Sturmgewehr 58

Howdy, I saw your note on Talk:Sturmgewehr 58. Question then, what do we do with this page if it isn't going to be deleted? Can we merge it with the current talk page? It is currently listed as being an unassessed article but in reality that is not the case (its just a talk page with no article). Cheers. Anotherclown (talk) 23:45, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Just leave it and remove the Wikiproject template. If the page only consisted of a useless Wikiproject template then it would be OK to delete it, but it also contains discussion relating to the merge which we ought to keep around. Hut 8.5 09:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, done now. Anotherclown (talk) 11:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

speedy deletion contribution removed from my contributions page

Hi, I added a speedy deletion tag to Admin Beekay's autobiographical article, the article was deleted by you but now the contribution is gone, i thought admins could only remove edits that were offensive, can you tell me where its gone?--Lerdthenerd (talk) 10:30, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Hi there,sorry for the inconvenience.actually the move thingy was not working for me for some odd reason.otherwise i always use it.again apologiesLinguisticGeek 11:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Your blanket reversion of Yael Arad

I will report you for edit-warring if you keep this up. Your blanket reversion of my edits will not be tolerated. Do your robotic clean up work somewhere else. There are plenty of other articles to work on.--Geewhiz (talk) 13:05, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Personal question about deleted ;;;H...A...G...G...Ě...R article

It was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/;;;H...A...G...G...%C4%9A...R_%3F

I was just wondering if you could recall what the article said. It was on my watchlist (somehow, I don't watchlist stuff) along with another article I have edited a few times. The article is about a game, and "Hagger" was a admin on allakhazam.com for the game. Their relation has peaked my interest about what the article contained. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mofuggin bob (talk • contribs) 12:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

-- Ahh, thanks for the reply! I read that on the delete summary, but for some reason I didn't comprehend it. Dunno why.

I don't watchlist articles 
 Mofuggin bob (talk) 13:37, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage

Hi. As you recently commented in the straw poll regarding the ongoing usage and trial of Pending changes, this is to notify you that there is an interim straw poll with regard to keeping the tool switched on or switching it off while improvements are worked on and due for release on November 9, 2010. This new poll is only in regard to this issue and sets no precedent for any future usage. Your input on this issue is greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 23:36, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Help Award
		In tremendous appreciation of your help with restoring cleared articles, I bestow upon you this Help Award, created specifically for the occasion. You saved me more time than I even want to try to calculate. Thank you so much. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:48, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

The somewhat creepy looking nurse is yours regardless, but if you can perchance do that again a time or two more as we clear this out, I would be very grateful! Truly, I can't even calculate how much more quickly this went because of your help. (Seriously, do a close up on that lady. Would you want to see her approaching your cot in the middle of the night? I think not, not even with morphine. :/) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 13:48, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much! It's pretty easy to update the page, I'll go and do it now. Hut 8.5 17:21, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I've generated User:Moonriddengirl/CCI 'bot stalk report, which might be informative. Uncle G (talk) 18:32, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Craig Beardsley

I understand the copyright concerns that led to the mass page-blanking, but I really think that you would be hard-pressed to demonstrate that the Craig Beardsley article was derived, without citation, to the brief Swim Across America biography. I did a cursory clean-up of the article several months ago when I added a half-dozen cited sources including the SAA bio, The New York Times, Sports Illustrated, the Florida Gators Swimming & Diving Media Guide and a recently released book on the 1980 Olympics and related press release. There is no uncited material in the article which could not have been from any one of dozens of other sources and there was certainly no uncited material included verbatim. If needed, I am happy to include a footnote for every sentence in the Beardsley article. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:03, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not Hut, but I'm watching his page as a result of this cleanup effort. Our copyright policy is unconcerned with citation. Unless content is explicitly marked as a quotation, in accordance with non-free content guidelines, it must be rewritten from scratch. Rather than footnoting, the best approach is really just to make sure that no text placed by Darius remains intact. Even if his copying is minimal in one article, there is substantial risk that he has taken snatches of the same source and spread them around Wikipedia, quite enough to be substantial, given that he has edited over 23,000 articles. :/ --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:34, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your input, Moonridden. As an attorney, I really DO understand the potential problems that Darius has created (shame he didn't), and it's unfortunate that this blunt instrument of page-blanking became necessary. One of Darius' interests appears to have been Olympic swimmers, and my only involvement in this mess is trying to preserve the substance of 50 or so Florida Gators swimmer biographies (only about a third were cited as potential violations). I have at least cursorily rewritten and footnoted most of these articles, not least of which was because their cut-and-paste nature was obvious in many instances. There should be few if any issues with the Craig Beardsley article, but I am happy to address any issues you or Hut may have in order to preserve the substance of these bios. I was prioritizing other Gators-related articles, but I am happy to swing back to the Gators swimmers if it will make your post-Darius clean-up tasks less complicated. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:46, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I wondered if your username was indicative of your career. :) We welcome any and all assistance. It's true that a good many of his pastes are very obvious. When content is at all creative, we are also operating presumptively with it, in accordance with our Wikipedia:Copyright violations policy, since often it is difficult to trace where content came from this long after the fact. If you encounter any articles that are blanked in areas of interest to you, it would be fabulous if you could make sure that "his" creative content has been replaced. Experience suggests it was probably somebody else's creative content. :/ --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:55, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

"Dirt lawyer" = commercial real estate attorney (with way too much free time on his hands these days). In the spirit of your comments, I am closely reviewing the following 23 previously-blanked articles for any lingering copyright problems: Theresa Andrews, Nicole Arendt, Janelle Atkinson, Craig Beardsley, Carlton Bruner, Stephen Clarke (swimmer), Frederic Delcourt, Nicole Dryden, Barbara Franco, Claudia Franco, Debbie Fuller, Sandy Goss, Nicole Haislett, Whitney Hedgepeth, Carlos Jayme, Jane Kerr, Ricardo Monasterio, David Lopez-Zubero, Martin Lopez-Zubero, Omar Pinzon, Ashley Tappin, Laura Walker and Mary Wayte. Give me 24 hours, and then I invite Hut's and your critical review of these. Good luck with the other 23,000 articles. (Yikes!) 21:43, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I've replied to your comments about Beardsley on the article talk page, and I now think it's OK. Of the other articles in your list, Theresa Andrews is a copyright violation and I've already cleaned it, Martin López-Zubero is largely derived from [3] and needs a lot removed, Nicole Haislett originally had a paragraph taken from [4], Mary Wayte originally had large chunks of text taken from [5] and Carlton Bruner probably was a copyright violation originally but I can't find the place it was copied from. I think the rest are unlikely to be copyright violations. Hut 8.5 10:30, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Hut, I know you've had your hands full, but when you catch your breath, I would be grateful if you could sign off on my rewrites of the Theresa Andrews, Carlton Bruner, Nicole Haislett, Mary Wayte and Martin Zubero articles. These bios still need plenty of work, but it would be nice to know that the copyright issues have been satisfactorily addressed by your standards. Thanks again for your feedback. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:07, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I think they're OK now, and I've marked them as cleaned on the relevant copyright investigation pages. Thanks for taking the time to rewrite these. Hut 8.5 15:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Hut. I hope you don't mind if I seek you out in the future when I have a WP copyright issue. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

International Racquetball Federation

This topic was deleted before, but a number of pages still refer to the deleted page.

These pages may include:

• France national racquetball team
• Italy national racquetball team
• Belgium national racquetball team
• Ireland national racquetball team ‎ (Spell championhip => championship)
• Catalonia national racquetball team ‎ (Spell championhip => championship)
• Netherlands national racquetball team (Spell championhip => championship)
• Germany national racquetball team

Wouldn't it be better to have at least a minimal page created from scratch which links things together and tidies the loose ends?

See International Racquetball Federation

Tabletop (talk) 23:47, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

ArbCom Election RFC courtesy notice

A request for comment that may interest you is currently in progress at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/2010 ArbCom election voting procedure. If you have already participated, then please disregard this notice and my apologies. A Horse called Man 12:20, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
You received this message because you participated in the earlier ArbCom secret ballot RFC.

Thank you

Thanks for this revert of my mistaken revert. Already apologised to the original editor. Cheers, Mechanical digger (talk) 17:50, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

MfD

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject North Korea (2nd nomination) Hello, this is to invite you to a previously held discussion on MfD that had been closed but was recently revealed to be a vote fraud following the discovery of a big sockfarm operated by that particular individual. Appreciate if you could voice your opinion on this matter there. Best. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 10:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

• Well, I hope that I didn't get you wrong but were you insinuating that I was canvassing? If so, please note that I stopped informing halfway due to the discovery of a couple of serious image copyvios uploaded by the BLOCKED user that I had to address first. And after a grabbing meal, I'm back to continue where I left off. FWIW, no offence to you but please try not to assume too much, ok? Best. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 13:22, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Heads-up

I saw that you have blocked User:Kbthompson because he passed away. According to Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians/Guidelines#On the account, the account shouldn't be blocked. I would advise you to reverse your action. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 20:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Linux Outlaws

Can you explain on the talk page why you consider one of the most popular Linux podcasts unnotable? There is notability discussion there which you haven't entered, despite marking it as unnotable. Douglas A. Whitfield of http://www.ibiblio.org/cosi (talk) 22:35, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Voobly

I am trying to create a page for Voobly but have found that you deleted it previously so I can't create one now. Upon further investigation I found that voobly.com has been blacklisted by wikipedia because someone decided to spam voobly links on wikipedia. Is there a way you can remove us from the blacklist? We didn't do this and it seems unfair to punish us for it. Surely if I spammed links to google.com google wouldn't be blacklisted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.189.160.91 (talk) 19:46, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

If you want to request that the site be removed from the blacklist then the place to do it is MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist or m:Talk:Spam blacklist (depending on which of the two blacklists is being used to block it). You will probably need to be able to demonstrate that there is a legitimate reason why someone would want to use the link in Wikipedia, and I doubt there's any reason to link to a gaming community.

The title wasn't protected because I deleted the page, it was protected because spam articles were repeatedly recreated at the title. If you want to write a new article on the topic I suggest you create a userspace draft to demonstrate that the topic is appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia. You will have to find references to document the article's claims and demonstrate that Voobly satisfies the notability guidelines.

If you are in any way associated with Voobly I strongly recomment you read this and this before you make any further article edits regarding it. Hut 8.5 15:59, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Chickenhawk / Joe Lieberman revert

I noticed that you reverted my addition of Joe Lieberman to the Chickenhawk page requesting documentation/citation. The Lieberman wiki page discusses his military career as follows:

A spokesperson told The Hartford Courant in 1994 that Lieberman received an educational deferment from the Vietnam War draft when he was an undergraduate and law student from 1960 to 1967. Upon graduating from law school at age 25, Lieberman qualified for a family deferment because he was already married and had one child, Matt.[11] ' The link for citation 11 is broken on the Lieberman page but the statement of an educational and family deferement is unchallenged. I easily found other sources for this such as the following:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joe_conason/2008/05/23/lieberman/index.html

“The young Lieberman, who had escaped the Vietnam draft with student and family deferments between 1961 and 1967, ran and won a seat in the state Senate that same year as a dovish liberal. Many politicians who once opposed the war in Vietnam (or avoided military service) later adopted neoconservative positions when that became more fashionable.”

Seems to be a classic definition of a 'chickenhawk.' Are you OK with my added comment if is properly sourced. Best.Seki1949 (talk) 04:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

From your comment on my Talk page: The source in the Lieberman article (which you can read here) does claim that he didn't serve in Vietnam despite being of appropriate age but it doesn't allege that he actively avoided military service, so it can't be used to support an allegation of this nature. FWIW, the definition in the article is: The use of the term chickenhawk to describe a "hawk" who has never been in combat... The definition does not require proof that someone "actively avoided military service" but merely that they are a "hawk" who has never been in combat. Joe Lieberman is clearly a "Hawk" who has never been in combat.

Comments that compare Cheney and Lieberman are easy to find on the web. Please note the following:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/joe_conason/2008/05/23/lieberman/index.html

“The young Lieberman, who had escaped the Vietnam draft with student and family deferments between 1961 and 1967, ran and won a seat in the state Senate that same year as a dovish liberal.

Many politicians who once opposed the war in Vietnam (or avoided military service) later adopted neoconservative positions when that became more fashionable.”

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/21/lieberman

Lieberman -- who, needless to say, never served in the military nor have any of his children -- devoted his entire career to attempting to send other Americans' children to fight war after war after war. In sum, as The Philadelphia Inquirer's Will Bunch put it when examining the muddled history of Lieberman's opposition to the war in Vietnam: "the only war he ever opposed was the only war he might actually have had to fight in."

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Joe_Lieberman_was_for_fighting_Communists_before_AND_after_he_was_against_it.html

On one hand, I happen to agree with Lieberman's conclusion: Vietnam was clearly the wrong place to be, just as Iraq is a couple of generations later. Isn't it interesting, though, that with all the military conflicts that Joe Lieberman has supported over the years, that -- after concluding that "action in defense of security is a moral imperative" -- the only war he ever opposed was THE ONLY WAR HE MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE HAD TO FIGHT IN.

Of course, Joe Lieberman didn't have to fight in Vietnam -- like his new ally Dick Cheney he had "other priorities" in the 1960s. He received two deferments, one to attend college and law school at Yale, the second because he was married with a young child by the time he finished school in 1967. The deferments ensured that Lieberman would live --so he could vote to send younger men off to those other wars that he later supported. You've heard of getting rich with "other people's money," but for Joe Lieberman combat is apparently "other people's moral imperative."

It seems to me if Cheney is to be listed than Lieberman can be listed also. FWIW, I did not vote for either man for V.P. If Cheney falls into a different catagory from Lieberman in terms of actively avoiding military service, please help me to understand the difference. If Lieberman can not be referenced under LPB, then neither should Clarence Thomas. Would you object to the removal of Clarence Thonas from the article unless someone can document that he "actively avoided military service"? Best. Seki1949 (talk) 04:04, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply: I didn't remove Lieberman for any political reasons (I'm not even American), I just want the article to conform to Wikipedia policy.

I'm new to contributing to Wikipedia and I appreciate your advice. I'm going to think on this issue for a few days before taking any action (or non-action). What is your role at Wikipedia? Best. Seki1949 (talk) 19:32, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Example (Disambiguation)

You recently reverted my edit on Example (Disambiguation) stating that it was not a disambiguation. Before I changed the page name to say it was a disambiguation page, User:Kubigula undid my edit proposing that it be transwikied as a definition. He stated that it WAS a disambiguation page. Which is it? You administrators need to get your acts together. Thanks, --Ryan Vesey (talk) 21:30, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, I didn't understand that about disambiguation pages.--Ryan Vesey (talk) 11:56, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Disassemble

Thanks for the message and the offer but for the time being I think it's OK. Ericoides (talk) 08:46, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Forest Trends

Hi,

I am currently in the process of trying to create a page for the organization 'Forest Trends.' My page was deleted because of copyright issues. I am still in the process of referencing and citing the information. I clicked the save instead of the preview without the saved copyright information. Please allow me access to create this page again.

Thank you— Preceding unsigned comment added by Forest Trends (talk • contribs)

Bioinformatics.ca

I noticed that the Wikipedia page we are trying to create has been deleted - likely by a bot because the content is pretty much identical to our own webpage. This is not copyright infringement, because as the authors of both web and wikipedia, we would like to create this Wikipedia page. I refer to Bioinformatics.ca Wikipedia page which relates to our www.bioinformatics.ca web page. Michelle Brazas (mbrazas) (Manager of Bioinformatics.ca) and Francis Ouellette (bffo) (Scientific Director of Bioinformatics.ca)

Mbrazas (talk) 18:14, 7 April 2011 (UTC)mbrazas

I should also add that our site does have a CC-SA license 2.5. This can be located from the home page, the open access hyperlink. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbrazas (talk • contribs) 18:21, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I have changed the layout but left the content out which appears to conflict with the COI. Mbrazas (talk) 19:53, 7 April 2011 (UTC)Mbrazas

The Ellen MacArthur Foundation

That was copied from another part of wikipedia, not directly off her website!!!!!!! Please can you undelete this. I got permission from her to do this at the BT Tower.

Dame Ellen MacArthur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlastairRonaldo (talk • contribs) 19:19, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Carded Graphics deleted

Hut 8.5:

My page was deleted due to possible copyright violations to the carded graphics web site. I personally wrote both sections for carded graphics and have permission to post on wikipedia. It was an overview of company history. Can this be reposted?

Ckelley64 (talk) 18:24, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		Thank you for your work on the September 11 attacks article! MONGO 23:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC)