Hydra Rider

Per Degaton

Hello. I don't automatically mind that additions I make are removed, however, I was wondering what the rationale was here? In the case of the first paragraph, given the current DC continuity doesn't have a multiverse along the lines of when the story was published, it seemed prudent to mention it in case more recent readers of DC Comics were confused. Thanks. Starmiter 04:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying; since we're on the subject, what is the rationale for the edit to the second paragraph? It served to demonstrate the standard formula for Per Degaton stories up to that time by contrasting it with the fact that Firebrand still existed even after his meddling. Thanks. Starmiter 04:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again, and that makes total sense; I've re-added the year the story was published because it was significant to the development of the story - per All-Star Companion Vol. 2 by Roy Thomas, since it was 1982, and All-Star Squadron was taking place in 1942, splitting the difference was 1962 with the real-world Cuban Missle Crisis, which then figured into the plot. I'm also adding a reference for it, or do you think just leaving the 1982 as is would let people figure it on their own? Thanks. Starmiter 04:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Very extensive addition, however, there were several stories involving the Degaton of 1947 using the time machine to try and change history and failing starting back in All-Star Comics and later All-Star Squadron, with the first time setting the trend of him forgetting and waking up back in 1947. The time machine going 40 years into the future for the America vs. the Justice Society was treated as the 'last time' he tried that approach, so there was nothing to forget. And to my knowledge, only the All-Star Squadron storyline that created Firebrand is one where Degaton's actions weren't completely undone, though everyone still did forget his involvement (which otherwise would've left the heroes able to defend Pearl Harbor, which obviously didn't happen on Earth-Two). Are you planning to add references to the other Degaton 'steal-the-time-machine-in-1947 stories' prior to that final one (I'm still unclear about when and how he got a 'time disc' myself)? Thanks. Starmiter 04:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

No worries - I thought it was fairly incomplete myself, but wanted to get the hang of this before trying to add/restore info; for now, I'm going to attempt to make it as sequential as possible, which will be a bit tricky given all the inherent time-jumps. Thanks. Starmiter 05:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I've added references and tried to clean-up the character's history into a more sequential flow, which is extremely challenging given how the character time-jumps forwards & backwards through time so frequently (which has me wondering - is there a proper 'tense' to apply to his history? Maybe mixed-tenses would help convey the time-traveling better). Starmiter 15:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the links, however, I think I'm more confused about the 'tense' situation now - it seems that historical events should be treated in past-tense, but fictional events (even taking place in the past) should be referred to in present-tense; however, what we have here is a mix of historical AND fictional events intertwined (not to mention parts that go into the future beyond the present-tense, and that's not even counting the tense for the actual publication history). Frankly, I'm at a loss and think the tense situation should be left as is, with some kind of disclaimer explaining that the mixed-tenses are due to the inherent nature of the extent of time-traveling in the character's personal history. Is there a way this can be achieved? Thanks. Starmiter 17:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Survivor/Big Brother winner notability

Thanks for the tip. Appreciated. - Rjd0060 14:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Question

Just to make sure, would I create a new one including Dick Donato and all others, or just all others (excluding Dick Donato)? - Rjd0060 03:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Create a new one including Dick Donato and all others -- soon, before the Donato thing grows much. It's better to address the issue as a whole instead of having one deleted here but another survive there. It would be screwy to get everything except Donato's deleted. Nominate the group, and then ask the admin to close the Donato discussion because it's now part of a larger group on nominations. Hydra Rider 03:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again. All done! Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eddie McGee - Rjd0060 03:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what else to do so I added a note

("This discussion should be immediately closed as this article (Dick Donato) has been nominated AFD along with a group of other nominees See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eddie McGee)

to the Dick Donato afd page. I also added a comment to User talk:GRBerry#Question (ADMIN) asking if he will close the Dick Donato discussion as there is another group discussion going on. I picked that Admin because he is the one who closed the Dick Donato DRV and opened this 2nd nom. I guess all I can do now is wait. - Rjd0060 03:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, if you are going to make any more replies about this, please do so on my talk page. Thanks! - Rjd0060 03:58, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Also, thanks for the note you left on my talk page. I replied to that whole situation on the AFD page. I appreciate the fact that you and another editor pointed it out, so that I could realize that I was mistaken.

Do you know why the original AFD wasn't closed and Dick Donato was removed from the group AFD? - Rjd0060 14:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

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