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March 2023

The article title is Kievan Rus', not Kyivan Rus', please do not change this without a good reason. Mellk (talk) 20:04, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I modified it according to the cited material, and by the way, the name of the cited material also has obvious errors, and the name “Kyivan Rus'” is also a recognized name. ITZQing (talk) 04:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/pages%5CK%5CY%5CKyivanRushDA.htm （Old Page）

http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CK%5CY%5CKyivanRushDA.htm （New Page）

The name of this source has been changed to “Kievan Rus'”. I fixed these errors, please do not undo these changes.Others can maintain the status quo. Others can maintain the status quo and discuss. thanks. ITZQing (talk) 07:34, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes that change is fine. Quoting is also fine. Otherwise it must be consistent with the article title per guidelines. Mellk (talk) 13:04, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Using "misspelling" or "misspelled" in your edit summary is borderline deceptive. We have articles like Siege of Odessa (1941) whereas you changed it in Black Sea Fleet as a "misspelling". Please just avoid changing it in historical topics. Thanks. Mellk (talk) 23:37, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the reminder, I'll keep an eye on it. ITZQing (talk) 05:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Also we have a consensus on the spelling of "Kyiv" and "Kiev" as detailed in WP:KYIV. "Kiev" should not be changed in historical contexts. If this continues then it can be considered as disruptive editing. Mellk (talk) 23:41, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the wikipedia page that uses a lot of incorrect Ukrainian city names, I am the only refugee who makes mistakes, can you help me make more reasonable changes? And should people who consistently use the wrong (outdated spelling) be reminded of their mistake? as it is now. ITZQing (talk) 15:42, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

It says the rule of thumb is for historical topics (after 1991) then "Kyiv" is likely fine and before this it should not be changed (from "Kiev"). If someone is consistently using "Kiev" for current topics then this is not following the consensus and a reminder to WP:UAPLACE is sufficient. Which pages have you noticed this? Mellk (talk) 15:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Also this changes titles, source names and quotes. Mellk (talk) 01:03, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

This is your last chance. Mellk (talk) 17:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

As I mentioned above, this is the same thing. I will request a topic ban. Mellk (talk) 21:05, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, I'll check it, maybe there's something wrong with the regex matching I'm using. Alexei (talk) 08:14, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

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Chechen palochka

Hi. Do you have a source that Chechen uses a lower-case palochka? AFAICT, they normally just use a Roman numeral 'I'. — kwami (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Palochka has its own characters on the computer. "Ӏ" (U+04C0 CYRILLIC LETTER PALOCHKA) and "ӏ" (U+04CF CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER PALOCHKA) have been established in Unicode. Regarding the lowercase Palochka, this is a historical problem of computers, because this character (U+04CF) has not been established before 2005, so few people are accustomed to using it (there is no rendering support issues now). As I was editing the pages, I noticed that this character was often replaced with the Latin letter (or Roman numeral) "I", the Cyrillic letter "І" (U+0406), and the Arabic numeral "1". Like the Latin letter "B" and the Cyrillic letter " В" and lowercase "в", no matter how similar they are, we cannot break the rules of Unicode and replace existing characters for convenience. This behavior is also common in other languages, but on Wikipedia, it should Being scrutinized harshly. Alexei (talk) 03:07, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Source:

https://unicode.org/charts/case/chart_Cyrillic.html

https://unicode.org/charts/nameslist/n_0400.html#04CF

https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/character.jsp?a=04C0

https://util.unicode.org/UnicodeJsps/character.jsp?a=04CF Alexei (talk) 03:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

But that doesn't tell us how Chechen is written. Many languages do not have case for the palochka. Do you have evidence that Chechen does? There is a similar situation with glottal stop and saltillo in Latin alphabets -- some have case, some don't. We can't "correct" the languages that don't. — kwami (talk) 07:30, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Lowercase Palochka is indeed used. If you check the pages, lowercase Palochka is used in the alphabet tables (Includes different combinations), but in another place it is changed to uppercase, mixed with similar letters (Cyrillic, Latin, Greek) and Arabic numerals "1". If you directly ask a local whether Use it, it will tell you "it doesn't matter". This is not the attitude that Wikipedia should have, nor should customary law replace standards. Alexei (talk) 10:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

The two characters of uppercase and lowercase Palochka are exactly the same, so that it is meaningless to discuss "whether lowercase characters can be used". Unicode specifies the corresponding character, and we should use it, because using it will not cause any changes or effects. Alexei (talk) 10:29, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

At this point, I'm just using more standard character forms and not breaking the syntax. Alexei (talk) 10:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Unlike English, character output in many languages ​​requires an "input method (keyboard)." However, Chechens can only use a Russian keyboard when using Chechen language, As a result, many characters cannot be output (including the uppercase Palochka), This is a "force majeure". But this is not an excuse to prevent standard forms. In the computer rules (Unicode), even characters that are similar cannot be replaced with each other. Like Cyrillic characters and Latin characters. Alexei (talk) 10:51, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

You haven't provided any evidence, and much of what you say above is obviously wrong. I assume therefore that you don't actually know. Since Chechen WP does not use case, we won't either, unless you can provide evidence that they are wrong. — kwami (talk) 11:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

The BGN/PCGN alphabet uses uppercase and lowercase palochka, including digraphs.

List (Adyge, Avar, Chechen, Kabardina):

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65b78e510c75e30012d8019d/ROMANIZATION_OF_ADYGHE.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65b78e89c5aacc0013a6843c/ROMANIZATION_OF_AVAR.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65b78e360c75e30012d8019c/TABLE_OF_CORRESPONDENCES_FOR_CHECHEN.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65b78e66a0ae1b001252615a/ROMANIZATION_OF_KABARDIAN.pdf Alexei (talk) 07:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Chechen and Adyge are different languages. Only Chechen is relevant here. Again, this does not inspire confidence in your knowledge.

A table of transliterations, presumably compiled by a non-Chechen, is not very good evidence. — kwami (talk) 01:04, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I'm just listing other alphabets to express actual usage examples of lowercase palochka. It did not express my inappropriate attitude towards the Chechen language. BGN/PCGN is a multinational organization and its work cannot be carried out without the participation of native speakers. I checked the alphabet recorded in some Chechen children's publications (“Нохчийн мотт. Абат: йоза-дешар Ӏаморан Ӏамат. 1 класс.”, z-lib can be found) and it will show that palochka is in lowercase and uppercase. I am also seeking responses from the MoE of the Chechen Republic and the MoE of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, but there are currently no effective communication channels. If you are so caring and professional, can you provide these resources? And since your previous views are not supported by valid sources, I am suspicious of your “editing” of "Palochka" related content on Wikipedia pages in other languages. Alexei (talk) 10:58, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

You're making the claim, so you need to justify it. And no, I'm not going to do your work for you. I have other things to do. — kwami (talk) 15:16, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

You can check out this Chechen children's book. The alphabet (Page 138-139) inside shows palochka in uppercase and lowercase (but does not show the uppercase letters of ъ, ы, ь. This is very reasonable, and also proves that this book does not "deliberately forge letters uppercase and lowercase"). Pay special attention to the italics, which show the different writing styles of uppercase and lowercase palochka, as well as the use of digraphs. Alexei (talk) 15:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Which children's book? I don't see a link. — kwami (talk) 16:02, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

https://singlelogin.re/book/11841153/ce6c25/Нохчийн-мотт-Абат-йозадешар-Ӏаморан-Ӏамат-1-класс.html Alexei (talk) 16:05, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I couldn't get grade 1, but I found grades 4 through 10, and none of them use lower case. All either use the Roman numeral 'I' or substitute a Ukrainian 'І' for it. — kwami (talk) 16:39, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I got grade 1, and it's ambiguous. In the typeset table, all of the digraphs use capital palochka. Only palochka as a separate letter has case. But in the title of the table, it's a capital letter when it "should" be lower case (Дагахь Iамае алфавит). So they contradict themselves.

They do show it as consistently lower-case in the handwriting chart.

But throughout the book, it is consistently set as a capital. That is, children won't encounter lower-case palochka until p138!

So this appears to be a theoretical distinction that is ignored in practice, or a difference in handwriting that isn't made in print. — kwami (talk) 16:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

This is normal. As mentioned before, uppercase palochka appeared in Unicode in 1993, but lowercase palochka only officially appeared in Unicode in 2006. As you can see, people use various characters on computers to replace palochka, this is not only common in lowercase, but also in uppercase. Because it is an e-book (PDF file), during the conversion process, if you are not an experienced person, you will not notice the problem of using characters.

The issue of whether palochka exists in reality and computers has been concluded for a long time. Therefore, what we are discussing now is the issue of "Whether there is a lowercase palochka in Chechen language". I have provided enough proof, and it seems to have been partially confirmed, and Chechen is the only language that uses palochka alone (not in digraph), this issue further highlights its value.

I have uploaded two pictures for reference:

File:Chechen Alphabet (Upright) From Children's Book.png

File:Chechen Alphabet (Italic) From Children's Book.png Alexei (talk) 17:27, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

But the booklet was published in 2012. They could have used l.c. palochka, and chose not to. That's the question: you we use a theoretical distinction that no-one else uses, or do we go with common practice?

Note that even in the alphabet chart, they use capital palochka in digraphs. — kwami (talk) 23:32, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

January 2024

This edit is explicitly against consensus and I think I have given enough warnings therefore I have started a discussion on the administrators' noticeboard. Mellk (talk) 06:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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