User talk:Ifly6/First Triumvirate

Comments requested

@T8612: I'd appreciate it if you had any comments on this draft too. Ifly6 (talk) 02:54, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Unsure if appropriate for me to chime in, but I did notice references 37 (misspelled 'Drogula'),170, 171, 173, 174, 175, 176, and 178 (there's no Ramsay in sources) don't point to any citation. I have to say just the fact it's not almost entirely primary sources is an improvement :) SpartaN (talk) 14:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Sure, no worries about chiming in! I'll go take a look at those oversights. Ifly6 (talk) 23:22, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

The issues you identified (a typo in author name breaking an SFN invocation) and a missing full-form citation were fixed. There also was the issue that I had (fortunately consistently) misspelt RamsEy's name as RamsAy, but that too has been fixed. Ifly6 (talk) 23:28, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Lede is too short. I partly wrote the previous one; I think you can reuse some of it.

I would say right from the start that the name was coined after the Second Triumvirate in Name and usage (and would mention it in the lede too).

You forgot to mention that Caesar was Pontifex Maximus since 63 BC and the nephew of Marius. I would mention the three men's fortune under Sulla too.

Caesar's consulship is too long; add dates in the titles, and try to reduce this section, or add new level 4 titles. Other sections are very long as well.

The See also section is not needed to me. T8612 (talk) 16:16, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

As to naming, I'm under the impression that the term "First Triumvirate" emerged in the early modern period and has absolutely no ancient usage. I agree that a lot of sections trend long. Ifly6 (talk) 22:29, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

@SpartaN: I'd also appreciate any substantive comments that you might have. Ifly6 (talk) 21:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Comments requested (again)

@T8612 and SpartaN: Hello again. I made some changes to the draft (more section headings have been introduced; cleaned up some textual errors; rewrote the lede). If you have any comments please give them.

Re T8612's feedback above, I think going all the way back to Sulla's treatment of the men is too far back. The alliance was created in 59 BC to solve a then-contemporary political problem that the three had. As to the other stuff, most of it was effected. Ifly6 (talk) 14:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Crassus made a fortune thanks to Sulla's proscription. He was probably the wealthiest man of Rome. I would mention that.

I also don't like the sentence in the first paragraph: "It was not a formal magistracy, nor did it achieve a lasting domination over state affairs." It's better to tell about the main point rather than a technicality. I would say something along the lines of what I wrote in the article in the Main, "The constitution of the Roman Republic was a complex set of checks and balances designed to prevent a man from rising above the rest and creating a monarchy. In order to bypass these constitutional obstacles, Caesar, Pompey, and Crassus forged a secret alliance in which they promised to use their respective influence to help each other." T8612 (talk) 14:16, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

What do you think of the recent changes to the lede? I also added in a sentence on him being very wealthy. Ifly6 (talk) 21:56, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

@T8612: Any further comments? If none I'll do a read over and overwrite shortly (like next week maybe). Ifly6 (talk) 18:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

"wanted to ratification of his settlements in Asia" missing word.

Otherwise, it's good to go. T8612 (talk) 08:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Infobox?

I'm thinking of adding an infobox. I'm not sure which one. The {{Infobox political party}} seems unsuited, even though the FT was something of a political alliance. One on a magistracy like {{Infobox official post}} seems even less suitable. The current article simply doesn't have an infobox, which is reasonable with those difficulties, but I do want to consider alternatives. Recommendations would be helpful. Ifly6 (talk) 14:43, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I can't think of a good infobox. It's not required to put one. T8612 (talk) 14:16, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I agree, though I'd like to put one in if there is a relevant one. Ifly6 (talk) 21:44, 14 August 2022 (UTC)