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Kesgrave Hall School

I was in the first intake at the school (under Mr Shepherd) when it was definitely referred to as a school for "maladjusted boys with a high IQ". That predates whatever prospectus you might have, and I'm not entirely comfortable with the term "strong academic bent" either. What's you issue with "high IQ"? Greyskinnedboy  Talk  10:01, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

It's probably better to keep all threads of a discussion together (so I've posted your response back here). Greyskinnedboy  Talk  20:53, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

The prospectus I read was printed in the early 1980s, under Shepherd's (sp?) headship, and mentioned several of the staff of that era. I don't know if we still have it or where it is; perhaps one of the other guys has it or could distribute a scanned copy. The prospectus was still in use until 1990; Mike Smith had a new prospectus printed in 1990 (there is a picture of me and Darren Young reading one of my computer magazines in Nelson dorm in there). I don't recall IQ per se being mentioned as a criteria in all the time I was there; the talk was of bright or intelligent boys and academic ability. If IQ was a criterion, we would have had to take an IQ test before entering, which I didn't and don't recall anyone mentioning it.

Other schools did use IQ; Bicknell school in Bournemouth did, and the headmaster of that school told me and my parents that he had removed a pupil from that school for coming below-par in an IQ test. Very few pupils were expelled from KHS while I was there (1989-93) and never for that reason. IQ is actually a controversial test of intelligence and not all education authorities would have used it.

You can find a definition of "bent" here and that's what the authors of the prospectus meant by it:

1 a: a strong inclination or interest : bias b: a special inclination or capacity : talent —Preceding unsigned comment added by IndigoJo (talk • contribs) 19:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I'm not sure I recall seeing "high IQ" ever written down, so we'll go with your affirmation of "academic bent" being in the school prospectus. It's good to have a thrust and parry to get to the bottom of things. Thanks for your patience. Greyskinnedboy  Talk  20:53, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the "citation to prospectus" - can you please provide a link to a scanned copy ? --Mrodgers2099 (talk) 09:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Regarding your rather rude post to my talk page :

1. I am not dictating what any one edits.

2. the reason for the request (I was not insisting) for a link to a scanned copy of the 20 year old prospectus was out of interest - and since the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth, I just wanted to make sure that the page was correct. --Mrodgers2099 (talk) 15:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

re your comments on the talk page 10:01, 15 August 2009, where you write :

but from a KHS point of view it was just the last chapter in the whole sorry KHS story

I was going to send this as a direct messgae, but as you have that option off I will say it here.

A wikipedia article has to be of a Neutral point of view (WP:NPOV) comments like that could imply that your views on the school may be tarnished. Mrodgers2099 (talk) 12:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

To IndigoJo : WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DEMANDING TO KNOW WHO I AM OR TO DECIDE WHAT IS IRRELEVANT - LET THE READERS OF THE KESGRAVE HALL ARTICLE DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES OR ARE YOU SCARED WHAT CONCLUSIONS INFORMED READERS WILL THINK OF YOU !! When you no longer claim on your user page to be the main author, I will edit it to reflect that. The rest as it is true stays. Codf1977 (talk) 14:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Kesgrave Hall. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If that proves unsuccessful you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. Please see Kesgrave Hall Talk Mrodgers2099 (talk) 18:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

IndigoJo I hope you were not makeing that comment on my talk page as a threat. As I said on the KH talk page you are acting like a bully trying to decide for everyone else what is relevant. It should be up to the reader to decide what is important. It should not be up to one individual acting only in self interest. Codf1977 (talk) 13:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

IndigoJo, I do think that your "If I had posted a rant against the staff or management, let alone the pupils, at Wikipedia then you might have a point" and "It is a personal attack and has no relevance" Talk:Kesgrave Hall(16:25, 19 August 2009) is a little hypocritical. I can't help but notice you were happy to leave a rant and personal attack about someone else on the page for nearly six months last year, I know you did not make the edit in question but you were remiss in your obligations to Wikipedia not to try and do something about it. Mrodgers2099 (talk) 12:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

IndigoJo, I have spit the KHS section off onto a new page Kesgrave Hall School and I have made it clear on both pages about the close links between KHS and Shawe Manor. Please if you have any more information about Shawe Manor, such as the month in 1993 it "opened" (and thus KHS closed) and the month it closed please can you add it. Mrodgers2099 (talk) 19:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

IndigoJo, Re edit about current occupation of former headmaster, Michael G Smith - I am fairly sure that it is in breach of the following policy Biographies of living persons [WP:BLP] - the section "Privacy of personal information" as you have posted contact information via a link to a website not maintained by him. Mrodgers2099 (talk) 05:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Why do you keep deleting the section I add ? - leave it in, if you must change it then edit it, but as it as far as i can see does not go against any policy I have no idea why you keep deleting it.

Codf1977 (talk) 11:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

IndigoJo, I am lost for words about your blog and youtube post. You have played into Codf1977's hands. You are, by your actions, making yourself part of the story. Like it or not now your comments are becoming relevant as you are discussing them in context of the school. But by showing him (or her) that they are getting to you, they are going to carry on.

I would also like you to understand that it is a fundamental right that Wikipedia grants all it's readers and editors to remain anonymous and just because you have chosen not to remain anonymous that does not give you the right to criticise others who have chosen not to.

Before (or when) you delete Codf1977's comments AGAIN (which I am sure you are going to do) can you please post here or on the KHS talk page what is your reason. If it is simply you believe you are not a notable ex-pupil, that is not for you to say and you need to find another reason. Mrodgers2099 (talk) 12:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

As some one who has edited the Kesgrave Hall School page, can I have your help on a number of issues relating to the page. I have posted to the Talk page. Mrodgers2099 (talk) 08:07, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Sign you posts

Please can you remember to sign your posts on talk pages, especially other users profile talk pages. Greyskinnedboy  Talk  11:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Matthew Yusuf Smith

I have removed the notability template on the Matthew Yusuf Smith page, for the reasons I have outlined on the Talk page. Codf1977 (talk) 15:58, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

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