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Biographies of living persons policy

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Hello, Itsaboutheritage. One of the most important policies Wikipedia has is the biographies of living persons policy. Having seen your edits to Joe Brown (judge), I am concerned that you have not read the section on contentious material that is unsourced or poorly sourced. Quite a lot of the material you have been adding have been sourced to either non-reliable sources or to primary sources. Sources like Twitter and podcast transcripts and YouTube clips should be very rarely used in articles, especially for articles of people. Where we are reporting on a person's view of something, we should wait for a reliable source (like a good newspaper) to report on it first. Wikipedia is a tertiary source, and we as Wikipedians have a duty to the subjects of its articles. Sdrqaz (talk) 00:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I'm familiar with the biographies of living persons policy. I read it repeatedly and felt that the edits I made actually did fit this given that they were the judge's direct words and quotes.

Which sources are you describing as un-reliable or poor?

The primary sources are relevant in this case because of the exceptions and when they can be used. I am not interpreting facts, I am actually quoting what the Judge said on different programs and it is not under question whether he actually said them, anyone can see he said them and says them publicly. They are the only sources available, and they haven't been written about yet, but should not need to be written about to be quoted.

You removed not only actual sourced documentation from valid sites that are African American media sites, but also the recent quotes from Podcasts he'd been on.

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Can you make a position statement of which ones aren't and are reliable sources? You struck the entire section. I understand that the clips and youtube videos should be used sparingly, but he actually said all these things on video and they are not in question. Since you cited actual references, I will update to add those comments back in with appropriate references.

For the section on Voter Fraud Lawsuit in 2014.There are 2 links, 1 is a legit source the commercial appeal, but I see what the problem is, it requires you to answer a question before viewing the article (which it did not require of me). However, courthousenews.com and its own wikipedia page; it has staff editors and writers, so I will leave that reference in and will add this reference: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/106304521/

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For the section on Harriet Tubman on the $20 Bill -

Both NewsOne and TheRoot are known Black Media sources. TheRoot was founded by historian Henry Louis Gates. I can remove the video, but the sources should be kept. He said some of the same things to a local news station? Fine, I'll site it along with this one: https://wreg.com/news/judge-joe-brown-stirs-controversy-with-comments-about-harriet-tubman-on-20-bill/ Is the news station more reliable than Black media sources?

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Bill Cosby section

TheGrio is owned by MSNBC, so that's a clean source. Black News Tonight was on the Black News Channel (which is an American TV channel). The deposition is also legit since it comes from a reputable news source, the LA Times. The tweets came directly from the Judges account and links to them? Please explain why this is a problem. Everything else stands and he actually said it. The video is there so that people can verify it instead of taking my word for it.

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Support of Heterophobia

These are direct quotes that don't require interpretation and were written by JudgeJoeBrown or his team, he states it repeatedly on podcasts and radio shows. Why shouldn't these be used?

https://twitter.com/JudgeJoeBrownTV/status/1332762520336084993

https://twitter.com/JudgeJoeBrownTV/status/1175435758750113792

https://twitter.com/JudgeJoeBrownTV/status/1511731851089661956

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I can remove the Kamala Harris piece, but he still said it and VladTV has also interviewed Judge Joe Brown at least 2 times. I think eventually these rules will have to change because media/newspapers are often months behind actual conspiracy and right-wing researchers.

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Alex Jones Interview Jun. 24, 2022

-What's not in question is whether Judge Joe Brown appeared on Alex Jones' show on June 24, 2022. He did. But I can't link to Alex Jones' show because it would be linking to misinformation & propaganda which researchers suggest not doing, so I chose another show and only used those specific clips. But if you were to go to inforwars.com (which wikipedia bans linking to), it is even labeled Judge Joe Brown you can see the video and the interpretation is not in question. The video is even titled, "Judge Joe Brown Puts The Smackdown On American Entitlement – Exclusive Interview"

Judge Joe Brown has his own show where he's said such things. Would this be okay to quote? I think it is very relevant that a person holding these ideas and is giving his legal opinions on shows has actually ruled over the communities he is denigrating. Itsaboutheritage (talk) 22:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Sdrqaz Ignore this. I no longer want to add these pieces to the bio. I'll wait until a news source covers them. Itsaboutheritage (talk) 17:38, 26 July 2022 (UTC)Reply

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