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January–Dec. 2009

HB Plant page edit

here is the link supporting the edit made to HB Plant page. robert marve has quit the Univ. of Miami football team. hence the edit you undid. please revert. thanke. http://www.tampabay.com/sports/article953694.ece —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.100.36 (talk) 22:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for supplying the reference to support your edit concerning Robert Marve in the Henry B. Plant High School article. However, please note that using the term "quitter" does not comply with the neutral tone expected of Wikipedia as an online encyclopedia. I have changed the wording to "former starting QB...".  JGHowes  talk 22:49, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Joel Osteen/Lakewood Church

First and foremost, when I first replied to you, I didn't realize you were an editor. I apologize for the lack of respect I showed to someone in your position.

That said, could you please explain why you believe my posts to be soapboxing? I could understand if they were opinionated, but I don't believe they are. It isn't "this is how I feel about Joel Osteen," it's a report on a verifiable event that occured at Lakewood Church that is documented by two federal courts. I could also understand if I had originally posted the material. I didn't, I just undid when others deleted it without what I believe to be justifiable cause.

I truly appreciate your assistance in this matter. Adamkey (talk) 02:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

  Adamkey, thanks for your message. I see that you've raised this question at the BLP noticeboard and also RFC, to which another administrator, Gwen Gale, has already replied.  JGHowes  talk 14:15, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

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Re: File:Booth escape route.svg

"Garrett" and "Surratt" have been adopted. Are there any more required corrections? Jappalang (talk) 22:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Tony Jannus Award

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Dravecky (talk) 08:16, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Fishhead and the Nile

Hi, JG. Not sure that I ever really noticed that you were an admin until I was looking at the list of Admins tonight for someone to help me. Thought I'd give you a whirl, given your history of level headed thinking that I usually come around to agreeing with, if only eventually. Okay, so here's the deal: I want a page moved back to its old title. I will place events in bulleted sequence, in order to try to avoid my usual excessive explanation:

  1. Jan 24:User:Fishhead64 notes at Talk:Nile, that the current title of the article "Nile" is missing the word "River", and suggests adding the missing word.[1]
  2. Jan 24:Yours truly replies, indicating that moving the article requires first developing a consensus for either "River Nile" or "Nile River", and that, lacking the development of such a consensus, that I would object to any move.[2]
  3. Jan 29:Fishhead says "Surely a simple Google search should answer the question of where to place 'River'?"[3]
  4. Jan 29: I reply that a google search is unlikely to provide a definative answer.[4]
  5. Feb 7: With no comments on his proposed move, other than my objection to a move without consensus, Fishhead moves the article to River Nile, asserting that a Google search shows that to be nearly four times more common than River Nile, and asserting that he is following "naming conventions for watercourses".[5]
  6. Feb 7: I post my objections to this move on the talk page, pointing out that Fishhead has not followed WP:CONSENSUS, and that furthermore, he failed to notice that a great many of the world's major rivers (including the Ganges, Euphrates, Tigris, Mekong, Danube, Dniester, Rhine, Elbe, Tagus, Ebro, Rhone, and Seine were similarly titled without the word "River".[6]
  7. Feb 7: I remember that an ordinary editor can mess things up by undoing a move, so I go to an admin, User:Pedro, and ask him to look over the situation and consider moving this back.[7]
  8. Feb 7: Pedro weighs in at Talk:Nile River, indicating his personal belief that perhaps that the move was a good choice, but that it wasn't handled well, as Fishhead may have been "too bold". Pedro goes on to say, however, that being "too bold" is okay, as that is part of WP:BRD.[8][9]
  9. Feb 8: I point out that WP:BRD does not apply, since the "R", which stands for "Revert" cannot be done by anyone but an admin. In order to effect the same situation as BRD, I ask that an admin move back the article to Nile.[10][11]
  10. Feb 9: Pedro, apparently realizing this matter is not as simple as he had originally thought, indicates his discomfort with overturning Fishhead's move, because Fishhead claimed that WP:MOS supported his move. Pedro asks Fishhead to comment on developments. [12][13] To date, no reply has come from Fishead.
  11. Feb 10: Pedro, who has gotten into some kind of unconnected conflict involving some election somewhere dealing with one User:Lar, goes on indefinite wikibreak.[14]

And, in the meantime, Fishead has not edited for over a week now, not since his ill-considered move.

I think I have been very patient. If you have time, I'd love for you to read my arguments in detail over at Talk:Nile, but I know that's probably asking too much. As it stands right now, I have to assume that Fishead is simply not doing Wikipedia right now, and is unaware of the controversy he has caused (oh, a couple of editors have finally weighed in on the move. One is opposed, and the other's opinion I can't ascertain). So, since Fishhead can't or won't reply, I think I've been plenty patient, and ask if you would consider moving this back to simply Nile. Thanks. Unschool 06:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

  Good to hear from you, Unschool! I finally got around to looking into this, sorry for the delay. According to the Rivers Project page, either name is acceptable (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers#Naming). Because two admins have already looked at this, I won't revert the move unless there's a clear consensus to do so. If you wish to pursue this, you could take the matter up at the Rivers Project talk to gain consensus or, alternatively, make it an RFC (not recommended).  JGHowes  talk 13:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I understand your desire to stay out of it, and will not ask anything more of you. My only remaining concern here on your page is for you to understand why I remain unhappy about the matter, in the hope that you will not think me a fanatic.
Yes, two admins have "looked at this", but the first admin was the very editor that made the move in direct contradiction to the discussion at the talk page, and the second admin who looked at it did nothing except to say that he wouldn't touch it because the person who had done it was an admin.
You are correct, the move is not a violation of any naming principles. Nor was the previous name. I was open to the possibility of this name, provided that there was discussion leading to the move. That there was no support expressed for the move was bad enough, but then to have the second admin toss WP:BRD in my face as a justification, when it is impossible for me, as a non-admin, to apply BRD in this case, is simply frustrating. One of the two admins who have been involved in this case exercised what certainly appears to be a bad-faith action, and the other turned a blind eye. (Though, in the defense of the latter, he was clearly going through some difficult issues at the time.)
As for you, you are of course being prudent in staying out of this. I don't often visit pages where admin actions are discussed, but when I have, I have seen that they can be viscious, and this is simply too small a matter for anyone to expend any capital on. I suppose I should let this go too, lest I acquire a reputation as one who "doesn't work well with others". But I cannot deny that it hurts to see that the original offender has sat on the sidelines (no edits since this move), and has not offered any defense of his actions, and yet, by default, he is going to win, simply because he is an admin, and I am not. And if I pursue the matter further, I suppose I shall be labeled as the troublemaker and he shall be the agrieved. In the history of injustices, they don't come much more insignificant than this one, I suppose, but that doesn't mean that it tastes any better. Thank you for taking the time to look into the matter. Unschool 08:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Booth

I have searched JSTOR etc. and found several pdf files to get you started. If you want them, the only way I can get them to you is if you email me (and I'll reply by sending them). Note that such journal articles are very helpful but probably not enough. Ling.Nut (talkWP:3IAR) 08:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Your offer to nominate me for Adminship

Ironically, I was thinking about it the other day, but was thinking I should get someone to give my possible self nomination a second opinion to make sure I wasn't overthinking my own contributions or experience. I contribute in a broad spectrum of areas especially but by no means not limited to Editor Assistance, Media Copyright Questions, Graphic Lab and FPC, I have created a number of articles and overhauled a lot more, especially with regard to cleaning up and improving imagery. I watch some 1300 articles so I do a significant amount of vandalism reversion, and believe I am well versed in AFD, ARV, SSP and other processes. I do a fair amount of welcoming and offering more than plain template warnings to other users. If you think I am suitable enough to nominate then I would be honored if you would do so. thank you for the offer. Mfield (talk) 04:18, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I have accepted and answered the questions, assuming that there's no glaring issues would you go ahead and translude it. thanks. Mfield (talk) 17:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC) actually, seeing that you are busy in real life and i am free in real life for the next few hours I will go ahead and do the transclusion. Mfield (talk) 18:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you again for your time and interest in my nomination. Mfield (talk) 19:40, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

John Walker

Please point out what exactly I did? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.72.72.37 (talk) 05:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

That was 8 months ago! Someone at your IP121.72.72.37 made this edit on June 5, 2008. If that was someone else, you may wish to create an account. Doing so is free, requires no personal information, and provides several benefits. If you edit without a username, your IP address (IP121.72.72.37) is used to identify you instead.  JGHowes  talk 11:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, do you remember my vandalism to John Walker (organist)?--79.74.62.187 (talk) 15:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

File:Tarpon spgs.jpg

Just FYI, I've written to the archive to ask for clarification about the copyright status. Fut.Perf. 13:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, your point is well taken.  JGHowes  talk 13:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Got a super-quick response from the archive, everything seems okay after all. They are actually meant to be PD, even though the site doesn't explicitly say it. Sorry for the trouble. Fut.Perf. 13:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 
Glad to hear it, maybe their reply should be filed at OTARS? Also, what do you think of this template for other Florida Memory Project images in use at Wikipedia: User:JGHowes/Templates/PD-FL-Archives. Here's a cup of coffee for your efforts!  JGHowes  talk 14:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Good idea, in case we want to use more images from them. We could have the OTRS confirmation posted on your template. And now for the coffee. Fut.Perf. 14:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

DC Meetup Events: You're invited!

Wikipedia Loves Art! (February 27)

The Smithsonian American Art Museum will be holding a Wikipedia Loves Art! meetup on Friday, February 27 from 5-7 pm in the Kogod Courtyard. This is a photography event involving Wikipedians, along with Flickr users and others, to generate content for Wikipedia. Come share your experiences, meet the other teams, and take some photos! While RSVPing isn't necessary drop Jeff Gates an email if you're planning on attending so he can get a head count: gatesj (at) si.edu. There also is a signup list here, along with detailed information. The museum is conveniently located across from the Gallery Place-Chinatown metro station.

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An editor's displeasure with my crop of his PD pic

Can you offer your thoughts on this matter? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 17:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

  Done  JGHowes  talk 20:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Royal Parker

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Re: Your RfA

Hey JGHowes - thanks for your your words of encouragement regarding my failed RfA. I appreciate your participation and support, and while I believe neuro is looking to nom me again for the second RfA, I greatly appreciate your offer and will keep it in mind. For now, I'll be focusing acutely on CSD over the next couple of months and earn the trust of my opposers. Thanks again! FlyingToaster 23:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Tait Pollack

If I remember right, you're an admin? Could you have a look at Tait Pollack, which seems rather like spam advertising at the moment. I see from the records that this user has recently lost another entry for the same reason and is, not surprisingly, a bit tetchy atm.

Could you give me a second opinion on the entry or, if needed, point me at someone else? Cheers! DiverScout (talk) 19:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

  Yes, I'm an admin. Anyone can remove a prod tag—including the article creator. Having said that, however, this autobiography is contrary to WP:YOURSELF and has questionable notability, so it's now listed at WP:Articles for deletion/Tait Pollack. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.  JGHowes  talk 23:12, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Cheers! Much appreciated. DiverScout (talk) 09:47, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

FAC query

You may have missed the query for you at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/William Henry Harrison. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Thx for the heads-up, Sandy. I had not watchlisted that FAC page. Have replied there now.  JGHowes  talk 23:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:45, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Help

There's No Excuse

I was using a anti-vandal spellchecker which does not check for vandalism. I will stop using that specific spellchecker and will only use Huggle. There is no excuse on my part and I will take every measure to see that it doesn't happen again. Best, otisjimmy (talk) 22:10, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Bright House Field

Hi there! I'm not sure why you reverted my edit. I cleaned it up so there wasn't a ton of blank page created by both pics appearing under the infobox on the left; it looks like, to someone quickly viewing the article, there's no info to be had. It's cumbersome and I figured it'd be a good thing to do, so I'm not sure why you'd want it to look like that. Without a good reason, I'm going to be bold and fix it. Let me know if there's any qualms with that. Thanks! EaglesFanInTampa 12:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. Apparently, there's a difference in how the article displays depending on the browser. I checked it on IE6 and IE7 and saw no such problems - are you using something else? Anyway, no big problem, I was just trying to avoid sandwiching the text between the Infobox on the right and the image on the left. Happy editing,  JGHowes  talk 14:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm using Firefox 3. Never checked elsewhere - my bad! I honestly didn't realize it'd display on other browsers differently. I'll see what I can do to make them all fit nicely on this browser - and since I'm at work, I'll check IE 6, Safari, and Chrome, too - just in case. :-) When I'm done, let me know what you think! EaglesFanInTampa 15:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Looks fine now.  JGHowes  talk 16:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

PD review

See commons:Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#PD_review. RlevseTalk 01:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Richard Henry Lee

200.12.61.92 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has attacked a section of this article for the second time in 15 days. You reverted the last attack and warned him about blocking, and I see you are an admin. Could you possibly take a look? Thanks. Rklear (talk) 04:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

  Done I've given him a final, level 4 warning. Also, please remember to "subst" when using a vandalism warning template on user's talk pages. See also {{uw-vandalism3}} usage.  JGHowes  talk 05:18, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I forgot to subst? Gah. I've only been doing these for six months now. Sorry. Rklear (talk) 05:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

School IP216.20.1.211

Hi,

I see that you unblocked 216.20.1.211 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) because of a teacher request. Regrettably, blatant vandalism resumed the next day, so I've placed a "soft" block. Just wanted to let you know. Regards,  JGHowes  talk 18:37, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Not surprised, but should be a lesson for the teacher and his school. They have everything coming out of one address. Fred Talk 19:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Happy Easter!

 

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User:J G Howes

Just wanted to let you know that J G Howes (talk · contribs) is unregistered, so it can still be registered by a vandal/impersonator. Cheers, –Juliancolton | Talk 18:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Thanks; but if an unregistered IP attempts to register that username, they get an error message instead:
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(update):   Done, it's now registered. JGHowes  talk 19:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

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  Done, my doppelgangers now registered. Thanks,  JGHowes  talk 19:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
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DYK for Leonard T. Schroeder

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - May 2009

re: Notifying uploaders when tagging images for speedy deletion

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Uday Salunkhe

Please help me add the following to Living People Category.

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DYK nomination of Outlaw Trail: The Treasure of Butch Cassidy

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Re: closure of FFD - File:Bambino POTUS.gif

Hi JGHowes, I understand your consternation at the closure this way with two in favour and two opposed deletion and will try to explain my decision as best as possible. With all FfD discussions what is important is not the numbers of people on each side but the strength of the arguments as interpreted by the closer in light of policy. In this case the nomination noted that the image in both articles was not discussed, though the event the image portrays was mentioned in one. In the case of a nomination like this (where the image is asserted to fail WP:NFCC#8) it is incumbent on those seeking to keep the image to show how, in the absence of any discussion of the image itself, its presence in the article significantly increases reader's understanding. My assessment of the arguments is largely that two people (nominator and Stifle) are on the side that the image can be replaced by text, is not discussed in the articles, does not add significantly to reader's understanding and as such is a decorative image that does not meet the NFCC requirements. On the other side, yourself and Fastily, is the argument that the inherent characteristics of the image and discussion in the article that is not directly related to the image signficantly enhances the article. Both sides are presented as for many other FfDs that I've seen and closed and I assessed this in much the same way. Those seeking to delete the image make pertinent, policy based arguments while on the keep side the argument's strength is much diminished by the lack of any image discussion in the article, and the misconnection between the argument that the image significantly increases readers understanding counterpointed with the admission that the image is largely to illustrate a part of the subject (his iconic status during the great depression) that is not directly related to the image at hand. Lastly I note that the nominator noted that the image can be replaced by text and backed this up later in the debate. In this case my reading of the debate is that the policy-based-consensus is for the image failing NFCC#8 and NFCC#1. I'm happy for you to take this to deletion review but, based on precedent and my interpretation of the NFCC requirements I cannot see my way to reversing the closure - Peripitus (Talk) 05:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Outlaw Trail: The Treasure of Butch Cassidy

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - June 2009

RfA thanks

  Thank you for participating in my RfA, which succeeded with 56 in support, 12 in opposition and 3 neutral votes. I am truly honored by the trust that the community has placed in me. Whether you supported me, opposed me, or if you only posted questions or commented om my RfA, I thank you for your input and I will be looking at the reasons that people opposed me so I can improve in those areas :). If you ever need anything please feel free to ask me and I would be happy to help you :). All the Best, Mifter (talk)

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Thanks for the message. The answer to your question is that I changed the ph to ff because that was the way his stepfather spelled it, and I took off the Jr. because it was his stepfather's name not his real father's. Mr. Prez (talk) 12:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. As you know, Wikipedia uses reliable sources and Gerald Rudolph Ford Jr. is his name according to the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library, the U.S. Congress, etc.  JGHowes  talk 12:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for Dan Thomas

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Rachel Scott Vandalism

IP is still vandalizing after your last warning. - Jeffrey Mall (talk) 14:55, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Eldred

Re Arthur Rose Eldred and Talk:Arthur Rose Eldred/GA1. I'm stuck expanding the lead. Can you help? RlevseTalk 23:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

  Done  JGHowes  talk 09:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Happy Bastille Day!

Dear fellow Wikipedian, on behalf of the Kindness campaign, I just want to wish you a Happy Bastille Day, whether you are French, Republican or not!  :) Happy Editing! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 23:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Joe Flacco

Excuse me sir, Flacco did letter in lacrosse in high school and earned all american honors as a defensemen. I mean look at the size of the guy, what other position would he play. I do not understand why people like you have to go around stripping knowledge from the general public that they should rightfully know. People like you, in my book at least, have a certain name that I like to call "JOHNNNN". ... Thank You, Sir John Sir. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattrbuno2052 (talkcontribs) 02:11, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Then cite a reliable source for this information, because Wikipedia requires verifiability. If the information can't be verified, it doesn't belong. Because you've already added false information to other articles, such as twice vandalising the Joe Montana article, you are on the verge of being blocked, should you persist in adding false or unverifiable content.  JGHowes  talk 02:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter - July 2009

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  • The Christianity project and its related projects currently have 76 FAs, 8 FLs, and 148 GAs. We gained new recognized content in each field, with 4 FAs promoted, 2 FLs, and 3 GAs. Congratulations and a big thank you to all those who worked on these articles!
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  • I am still working on the categorization matter. With any luck, we should have some results by the end of the month. There are also some discussions regarding project related activities at Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/General Forum. One issue in particular that might be addressed is possible elections of new coordinators. Anyone interested in serving in such a capacity is more than welcome to indicate as much.
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Member contest of the month
  • The previous contests are still ongoing, because of the extreme amount of time the categorization is taking me. Anyone who can bring any of the few Stub class articles among the project's 1000 most often accessed articles by the end of July will get an award. Please see the details Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Christianity#Project challenge of the month.
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Welcome to the Tenth issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do.

It has been a long time since the last coordinators election. There is a lot for people to do, and I certainly would welcome seeing any individuals with an interest in such a position put themselves forward as candidates. I in particular would very much like to see some degree of "specialization" in the coordinators, so that, for instance, we might have someone knowledgable about some of the specific Christian faith traditions or other main subjects, like Orthodoxy, Lutheranism, Mormonism, the Jehovah's Witnesses, art, theology, and so on. If any parties who have experience with some of our faith- or- subject-based content would be interested in being candidates, I would love to see them do so. Please feel free to take part in the discussion regading what the minimum number of category items is, and how to deal with the non-qualifying categories, on the General Forum page.

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J. Pat O'Malley

Mr. Howes,

I note that you are one of several contributors to the Wikipedia page for J. Pat O'Malley. The page is fairly comprehensive. However, there are some errors. I know because he was my father. I also have some additional information that may supplement what is presented.

I am not terribly familiar with how the Wikipedia pages are developed but the list of contributors/editors is fairly lengthy. I appreciate the efforts to chronicle his life. Please let me know how I may halp to tighten up the information presented.

Regards,

206.16.96.16 (talk) 01:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


let me jump in. First, let us know what the errors are. Then if you can provide a reference such as a book or a reliable web site, that'd be great. RlevseTalk 02:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
  Denis, i will be delighted to help improve the article, having long had an interest in his career. I'll send you an email.  JGHowes  talk 09:10, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

File:Anianianiy.jpg

Erm, you could have let them respond to my concerns about missing details.. :( Sfan00 IMG (talk) 23:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

A file lacking any source/authorship information and quite possibly a copyvio should be tagged {{nsd}} for speedy deletion, as this one was before I saw your msg on the uploader's talk page.  JGHowes  talk 02:38, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

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Alansohn's behavior

Dear JGHowes, Alansohn does some nice work, but he has a serious problem when it comes to assuming good faith. Alansohn was restricted for one year because of his disruptive behavior, including personal attacks, incivility, and assumptions of bad faith (Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Footnoted quotes#Alansohn and Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Footnoted quotes#Alansohn restricted). Even after multiple blocks, he hasn't learned anything. Now he is accusing me of "edit warring" [16], even though it is Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) who is engaging in an edit war. I think something has to be done about his disruptive behavior. I think we should ask the arbitration committee to re-impose the restriction. Thoughts? AdjustShift (talk) 16:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

It's a shame, really, that he seems unable to overcome his persistent tendency to impute ill motives to others. He is indeed a prolific contributor and does a lot of good work at DYK and New Jersey-related articles, etc. But his outrageous slurs of meatpuppetry cannot be ignored, especially in view of his numerous blocks in recent months for incivility. I will make a further appeal to him to cease and desist, on Rleve's talk page where he's continuing the thread.  JGHowes  talk 16:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
JGHowes, I've erased quotes from Thomas Henry Barry. Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) wants to insert quotes, and he has reverted five times.[17][18][19][20][21]. He is persistently inserting quotes without consensus. Please look after the bio. AdjustShift (talk) 16:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Repeated reversions will not resolve the dispute over footnoted quotes, nor has Talk page discussion helped. Consensus of the wider community is needed, one way or the other. At this stage, I'd recommend an Article RFC, using the {{rfctag|bio}} template on the Talk page.  JGHowes  talk 17:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Can you look at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Edit_Warring_and_WP:OWN_problems_with_User:AdjustShift? Alansohn is making false accusation against me. AdjustShift (talk) 17:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Clayton Hill

Thanks for the cleanup at Clayton Hill. It sometimes becomes impossible to see typos when you think you know what the article was supposed to say. Alansohn (talk) 15:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

NRLCA

I'm a member of the NRLCA, but I don't necessarily believe that it represents a conflict of interests. I've researched my union quite a bit over the last two years, and have been taking legislative issues from the national website. I've been doing my best not to put a biased spin on anything I write, but I believe a little spin is OK. It is, afterall, the union's entry. I'm not sure what I wrote that you viewed as a conflict of interests, but I'll be more careful in the future.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 12:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

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An exciting opportunity to get involved!

 

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Frederick swann on FACEBOOK

Mt. Howes,

We've correspnded via email before regarding you're classical music page/internet radio program. It is of vital importance that I verify that someone ISS NOT using Dr. Swann's name/persona in an erronious capacity. On Facebook, there is a person (a fan page) called: Frederick Swann, as if "He" himself created the page/entry. Dr. Swann has alerted me that this is probably the case- that it's a misuse of privacy. The most recent post ioncludes this entity referring to "HMMM.... didn't know I was on wikipedia...!" I emailed this to Fred just today (8/28) and he was mystified ! He did stated that months ago 'someone' had emailed him stating that " Did you know you were/are on Wikipedia?" and in that, surmized that is where some if not the origination of this may have come from.

In reseraching this dirctly (on Fred's behalf w/his permission), I looked at all of the entries/additions to his wikipedia page and saw you're name on 90% of them. Do please let me know if you have originated this Facebook page on behalf of/in honor of Fred and this will all make sense. If you did not, then the suspicion of identity theft/illegal personification is a real possibility which is the reason I am asking.

Respectfully,

Trisha A Longo, PA216.163.247.1 (talk) 17:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

  I have not seen, nor have anything whatsoever to do with, any Facebook page. I have only created the Wikipedia article Frederick Swann, using reliable, published secondary sources per Wikipedia policies and guidelines. I have no idea who might be spoofing him on Facebook.  JGHowes  talk 23:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Happy Labor Day!

Dear colleague, I just want to wish you a happy, hopefully, extended holiday weekend and nice end to summer! Your friend, --A NobodyMy talk 04:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

B&O Schedule

I was wondering if you have access to the B&O Schedule, since you added timetable information for a number of named trains. I recently added the Chicago Night Express and West Virginia Night Express articles and hope you could add the timetable info, if you are so inclined. Cheers! Argos'Dad 20:32, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

  Yes, I'll be happy to do that, in about two weeks time when I get to where I keep my 1950s–1960s railroad timetable collection. By the way, it appears that the .png route maps are derivatives of the series of route maps I created awhile back (e.g., File:B&O Chicago-Washington Express route.png, etc.) that was a montage of artwork scanned from B&O timetables, modified with orange highlighting. Your Chicago Night Express and West Virginia Night Express.PNG derivatives really should show the provenance and PD-Pre1978 licensing of the original artwork, you know. Cheers,  JGHowes  talk 17:07, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Black Hawk War

I just listed this at FAC. Input appreciated. The nom is here. RlevseTalk 23:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Message from User:Schlomos

Interesting that my comment added to Spence was removed by you, but for the St Bernards school in New York, you place only a [citation needed] remark. There was a citiation for Spence there if you read through all the footnotes. If you wanted more you should have said "more needed" Just because its a girls school you place a harsh comment vs a boys school that had absolutely no support listed. Why? Somethng against women?

And my comment on Johnny Unitas did has support in Sport Illustrated. It listed JU as the greatest ever through a statistical method. Why is that not good enough. You need to be consistent if you are going to spend your life making comments on other people's comments.
[previous unsigned comment by Schlomos (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) at 21:13 on 24 September 2009]

As I said on your talk page, Wikipedia is not the place for personal opinions about a school. It is an encyclopedia of previously published material cited from reliable secondary sources. If you have a source, it needs to be cited, otherwise it's gonna be challenged. That's the way Wikipedia works. For the Johnny Unitas article, as an example, a vague reference to a Sports Illustrated article does not meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy. The specific SI issue, date, author, title, and page number(s) must be cited. If you have this information but are unsure about how to format the citation, I'll be happy to help.
The Spence article was also problematic because its wording did not seem to reflect NPOV. JGHowes  talk 05:16, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

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Jet Blue?

Thanks again for your helpful comments on the Robert H. Schuller talk page.

Are you a Jet Blue pilot? EditorASC (talk) 10:33, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

  You're very welcome! No, I don't fly for B6.  JGHowes  talk 15:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey

I noticed you created this redirect after doing a bit of browsing, and I was wondering if you'd like to join WP:HVNY if you have an interest in the area. It'd be great to have you writing for the project. :) –Juliancolton | Talk 01:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I used to live in Dutchess County and have edited/watchlisted Poughkeepsie Bridge. I plan to walk the bridge in the near future.  JGHowes  talk 22:27, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

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  Fixed  JGHowes  talk

Happy Halloween!

File:Halloween Hush Puppies.jpg
Photograph of my Halloween-themed Hush Puppies plush basset hounds in my bedroom.

As Halloween is my favorite holiday, I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Halloween! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 17:53, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

67.70.153.176

This is a long term vandal. You should disable talk page editing and extend the block on the IP.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:59, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

  According to his contribs, he's been inactive for the last 3 years or so, until tonight's spree, and he only had one warning today at that (yes, I did check his talk page history before he blanked it). Lengthy blocks on anon IPs are not the rule, because they may be shared by multiple users. By the way, per WP:BLANKING, a user may delete warning messages on his talk page.  JGHowes  talk 03:18, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
It's a long term vandal from other IP addresses. Also, he was not blanking anything. He was replacing everything on his page with his usual "I HATE POWER RANGERS" rant and attributing to those who had given him warnings.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm...well, if he resumes his disruptive activity using this or another IP, let me know and I'll certainly take stronger action at once.  JGHowes  talk 19:45, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

IP 63.149.146.130

Hello. As you were the previous blocking admin on 63.149.146.130 (talkcontribsinfoWHOIS), I would like to request that you review the more recent edits from that IP.

I realise that you are a busy person, but I'd rather have an informed opinion before taking it to AIV. Thanks. --Dominic Hardstaff (talk) 18:21, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry

sorry guy i got a little carried away but if i do try to change it for the better it ends up being changed too —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.91.0.12 (talk) 01:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

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Happy Thanksgiving!

 
Happy Thanksgiving!

I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 06:17, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

question

hi this is just a question definetely not trying to pry but do you recieve any sort of payment from wikipedia or do you volunteer simply a curious question75.89.200.218 (talk)John —Preceding undated comment added 21:03, 29 November 2009 (UTC).

He's a volunteer, as are 99.9% of users you'll see. Very few work for the WMF (AKA "the Foundation").RlevseTalk 21:13, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

well then what are the perks for editing and writing new articles that doesent sound very fun to me no offense75.89.200.218 (talk)John

Helping build a quality encyclopedia and the reason people volunteer for all sorts of things all over the world, Scouting, Red Cross, YMCA, etc are large volunteer organizations. (pardon me for jumping in, JGHowes). RlevseTalk 21:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

you know your right man we need more people like you on this earth thanks75.89.200.218 (talk)John —Preceding undated comment added 21:46, 29 November 2009 (UTC).

  I find it rewarding to contribute when one considers that Wikipedia is the 5th most-visited site on the internet worldwide. It is neat to create or substantially contribute to an article and see later how many thousands of people have read it. In my case, after using Wikipedia for quite awhile as an online reference, I began adding a few things here and there when I found articles that were incomplete in certain areas. Some people start contributing on subjects of particular interest to them, such as a hobby, sport, a celebrity or historical event, a film, etc., and gradually branch out from there. Because Wikipedia is not a blog or place for personal opinion, it does require research to develop the necessary sources to write a good article, e.g., books, reliable websites, magazines, and so forth. But this also has its own reward; I know I've learned a lot about different things in the 4 years I've been here. Hope this helps. I'll also leave a helpful Getting Started Guide on your talk page, too.  JGHowes  talk 00:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

you know I do use Wikipedia very often being a high school student mainly for US history ugh!! but i dont think i rele want to create a user account. not because of any other reason than i have to much going on as it is. i rele appreciate the offer though, i used to think that the people who edit wikipedia were like the guy in the weired al yancovic song white and nerdy (if you havent seen it check it out on you tube its hilarious)but now i realize that it is not like that but all of the editors and administrators are normal people with normal jobs who think they can widen peoples knowledge about certain subjects. youve helped me learn history and now you helped me learn about the real people behind Wikipedia, thanks 75.89.200.218 (talk)John —Preceding undated comment added 03:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC).

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American Conservatory of Music

How can I help the public with the truth?? These are the ACM fraud activities articles. I want to help victims by info.

Thank you very much for your friendly comments.

Here's the link of ACM fraud case - will be reported to FBI with recent case.

You will notice these articles are all about ACM fraud - I am researching more to help victims. Maybe, I can be a wikipedian, too!!

Masong225 18:48, 14 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masong225 (talkcontribs)

Newspaper articles can be briefly quoted verbatim as long as they are properly cited as the reference. They can also be summarized in your own words, again using the newspaper link cited for the reader to verify. In order to maintain neutral viewpoint, the article should also include the Conservatory's counter-statements.  JGHowes  talk 18:39, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

To those who make Good Arguments, who are appreciative, or supportive. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 19:46, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

NRLCA

You never responded to my response to you on the NRLCA's talk page. I really don't feel like having those banners on the site.--Johnny Spasm (talk) 04:21, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

  Done I asked another admin who specializes in COI concerns to take a look at the article, and he's since commented on the talk page there. Thanks for your cooperation in this matter.  JGHowes  talk 01:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

FAR - BSA membership controversies

Boy Scouts of America membership controversies has been nom'd for FAR at: Wikipedia:Featured article review/Boy Scouts of America membership controversies/archive2RlevseTalk 15:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC)