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Speedy deletion nomination of BillionGraves

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A tag has been placed on BillionGraves, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Business for more information.

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Above is considered a blatant, flagrant, disregard of inclusion principles of Wikipedia involved, since this article, about BillionGraves, is intended to be informational. A company and software does exist, the software provides data for a website, so both had to be included. Edits however that make the article more neutral are and will be accepted. JamesAnderson2 (talk) 00:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Am following up with User:NawlinWiki and Wikipedia teams on this issue, NawlinWiki may have no say in the matter after all based on previous escalations.

• You need to cite reliable independent sources, see WP:V, to show that this website meets our notability standards, WP:WEB. It's not enough for you to just personally assert that "this is an important website and people want to know about it." Also, threats and harsh language ("fraudulent deletion") won't help you any. NawlinWiki (talk) 00:25, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

This is a serious issue NawlinWiki, this is a very new site, six months old, and if you go to the site in question, you will see why there is not a lot on this yet. I am going to escalate this to the chief among the administrative people about this matter. To delete without edit this or finding data and information that would fit your seemingly personal agenda on this matter is considered a personal attack on the integrity of the contributor.

It's not a personal attack on you, and I personally think this sounds like a useful website. But it doesn't matter whether you, or I, think it's useful -- what matters is if third-party sources have written about it. Have you read Wikipedia:Verifiability? Please do that before you continue attacking *my* motives. If this is a new site with "not a lot" written about it, then under WP:V, it is too soon for it to have an article here. And there is no "chief administrator", although you can try Wikipedia:Deletion review. NawlinWiki (talk) 00:31, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Third party observation: NawlinWiki has only been following Wikipedia:NOTADVERTISING or WP:Notability. You getting so upset over this, and you wanting to promote this site so much (which is NOT what this site is for, period) are making it pretty clear you are the one with the personal agenda here. Which is another thing we don't accept here. You have yet to cite any of these inclusion guidelines you've made up that somehow justify advertising on this site despite WP:NOT and WP:NOTE. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

I challenge you both therefore, to write a new article about the BillionGraves software and website, and write it according to the way you think is right, include discussion about the smartphone apps, how they are used, how the data is transcribed, and what you see when the data is placed on the website. But to be sure we are all three on the same page, place it here below this post, and I think you will find that to some degree you will write the same article. But probably better it in a way that I will find right, and so will you. Neither of us is completely wrong, but neither of us is completely right in this matter either. However, the degree to which way is something that should not be considered because it is unquantifiable anyway JamesAnderson2 (talk) 03:18, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

See WP:BURDEN, it's not our job or responsibility in any way to provide sources demonstrating notability for you. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:55, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Just curious, are you the James Anderson mentioned in [www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~payork/York2Ward/May2011.doc the "Family History Newsletter Geneology News," Volume V, Issue 5, May 2011], page 9? Ian.thomson (talk) 00:50, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's me, I wrote in an article on a mailing list about the Billion Graves project, service, and site. But I waited until now to write anything here because it was too new then to write an objective article here. Sorry it had to end up in an argument tonight, but I think in the end we will work something out so that something can be up in wikipedia about the site. I feel neither of us is fully wrong or right, we just need to find what works best in the end.— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:|User:]] ([[User talk:|talk]] • contribs)

I'll try explaining this again: WP:Notability determines what does or does not get an article. Unless you provide reliable, third-party, non-self-published sources which show that BillionGraves meets WP:Notability, the website does not get a mention on this site. Even if you do find such sources, the article has to be written from a neutral, non-promotional fashion. Wikipedia is in no way required to give every website an article, and we're definately not going to do it to promote something. Ian.thomson (talk) 14:55, 2 November 2011 (UTC)