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WTF are you talking about???

When I saw your reasoning in this revision for the 2019 Manitoba general election page.

It sounded to me either too confusing for all your claims and/or being very too narrow mind for the current version of now Manitoba First that I did renamed for you and the other user if you kinda pleased?

Not in a mean way, but just only confusing? Especially the "not a major party" is sounded weirdly hypocritical as the Manitoba Liberal Party is currently hold 4 seats, but they aren't a major party too, even they currently in 3rd place for this moment in the polls; for the "no polling inclusion" claim, is very likely they merged as "other" grouping in these polls as summed up, I guess? And lastly for the final claim "no sitting MLAs", I don't know what going on Manitoban politics, but according to their provincial government website still listed Steven Fletcher in their party's former name and maybe technically Independent in the same page. Chad The Goatman (talk) 03:26, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

That page says Fletcher is an independent, his party has no standing and he is not running again. Manitoba First currently has no running candidates according to Elections Manitoba. Please don't add them into the infobox until they a) run a full slate, or b) get included in polling. Standard is that minor parties even with sitting MLAs, such as the Trillium Party in Ontario 2018, don't get included into the infobox. Thanks. [1]

Yea, a course he's not planning to run again as their provincial party's candidate since the party as of right now is still rebranding process as Manitoba First in the past few weeks–as that user you writing to was assume treating their state as, and I got that; but in the same page I showed, still listed his current (but formerly name Manitoba Party) party first based on fact (de facto) by the government's site–but again it's likely didn't updated in the past month until the next provincial/general election this next following weeks, while in I guess their province's law (de jure) technically force registered him as a Independent because of their law's definition of 'non-elected but have members' MLAs see why they added rounded parentheses for a reason, solely due of his party switching history.

And what "full slate" means anyway, real candidates announced? Chad The Goatman (talk) 04:09, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Give me the source for Manitoba First being the same party, please, because I can't find one and I'd love it. Seriously, its written nowhere and the branding isn't evens similar. As for 'full slate', it means, are they running in anything close to 57 of 57 ridings? Or any currently? Because I've seen none, and they need 5 to keep their registration. Even then we don't put up the Communists in the infobox just for being registered; they need to have an obvious and clear reason for being there aside from "this guy who affiliated with the former brand of the party and isn't running for them again sat in the Legislature for a bit after crossing the floor." I'm trying hard not to be a snob here, but the Infobox is kind of a major parties only club - define that as, 'is polled for'. Manitoba First doesn't reach that at the moment, doesn't even have a re-running incumbent and their results in 2016 were piddly to begin with, note Manitoba Party isn't in the 2016 infobox. Can't justify it, sorry.

I literally can't for now too, because enough I find few Manitoba First pages, but not for the reform political party for some reason as my google research query goes. Along, okay thanks for the explaining the 'real candidates qualification' definition for me, even you going to the same site for the moment as only proof.

And for the "Major parties only club" as your undo reason has mentioned official party status as the reason they become a "major party" again, so its very more so a 'Official party statuses club' than the former, mainly thanks for the First Past The Post voting system of why this is for now, incorrectly calling them a "major party", despite literally right now they are still a third-party, both in the polls and position in legislature.

I really trying understand what your writing that madly (and even nearly crazy-like) for some reason. Chad The Goatman (talk) 04:46, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Major party doesn't mean "one of top two parties" - it means parties that hold significant sway in legislatures or elections. The easiest way to figure out what party is 'significant' is, are they polled for? The PCs, NDP, Liberals, and Greens are; Manitoba First is not, nor was the Manitoba Party before it. That's a pretty easy standard to follow, and MF fails it. There are exceptions of course, some of which I laid out on Talk:2019_Manitoba_general_election, but MF doesn't really meet them but for the fact that they had a MLA. If Fletcher was running again, I might say OK, as Canadian election pages have in the past included parties in the infobox for having MPs that crossed over - but they were running incumbents again. MF is not. It can't reach any reasonable standard for inclusion, so off it goes. Sorry bud. Jebussez (talk) 05:00, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Sure, but that page does shows the national level only like Canada itself not including all of its provinces, and not all the Canadian provinces have a "major party" due of how strong the FPTP or the spolier effect has influenced the psychological mentality of the province's voter population like the last Alberta general election as despite the Alberta Party got enough popular vote (170,872), they didn't won any seats because of the mainstream voters are just insanely loyal to the province's real major party as a blantant example. Chad The Goatman (talk) 00:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't disagree with anything here, I'm a very avid pro-PR person myself - but its also incredibly irrelevant? Alberta Party got polled for, they get in the infobox; Manitoba First is barely recognized as a thing, let alone included in a single poll, so as of now, they don't get in the infobox. When that changes then we can pop them up there. Jebussez (talk) 00:41, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

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