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editHello- You appear to have destroyed the alphabetical entries for List of orphans and foundlings. In Wikipedia people are alphabetized by their last names, not first names. Please correct this page, or I will have to revert to July 31 version, before your changes were made. Thank you, Edgar Vekilnik, Jr. (talk) 17:54, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you! Much appreciated. Edgar Vekilnik, Jr. (talk) 17:46, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
- You are welcome Edgar :-) !--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 04:35, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
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List of orphans
editAs I already explained on that talk page,a lot of entries on this list are of people whose fathers died before they reached adulthood, but whose mothers were still alive after the subject reached adulthood. An orphan is someone who has lost both parents, so those entries do not belong on this list. Edward321 (talk) 14:33, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
- For the examples you gave on my page: Ned Kelly's mother outlived him, so clearly he was not an orphan. In the case of Muhammadu Buhari, his mother appears to have died in 1988, when Buhari was age 46. Edward321 (talk) 15:42, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Edward, some informations - The Immigration and Nationality Act provides a definition of an orphan for the purposes of immigration to the United States. A child may be considered an orphan because of the death or disappearance of, abandonment or desertion by, or separation or loss from, both parents. The child of an unwed mother or surviving parent may be considered an orphan if that parent is unable to care for the child properly and has, in writing, irrevocably released the child for emigration and adoption. The child of an unwed mother may be considered an orphan, as long as the mother does not marry (which would result in the child’s having a stepfather) and as long as the child’s biological father has not legitimated the child. If the father legitimates the child or the mother marries, the mother is no longer considered a sole parent. The child of a surviving parent may also be an orphan if the surviving parent has not married since the death of the other parent (which would result in the child’s having a stepfather or stepmother). Note: Prospective adoptive parents should be sure that a child fits the definition of ”orphan” before adopting a child from another country, because not all children adopted abroad meet the definition of “orphan,” and therefore may not be eligible to immigrate to the United States. Look please https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/orphan! Thank you!--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 14:54, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
- This definition only applies to children emigrating to the United States and does not require that such people be classified as orphans - the word "may" is used repeatedly. An official with the US Government might classify a child who still has one parent as an orphan, but there is no guarantee that the official will do so. This does not mean that we as Wikipedia editors can assume that anyone who loses a single parent is an orphan; that would be original research om our part. It means that any child that the US government specifically classifies as an orphan "for the purposes of immigration to the United States" could be added to this list. Edward321 (talk) 23:47, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Edward, do you have a legal definition for orphans (USA, England, Germany, France, etc.)?--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 06:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- This is covered on the page orphan with sources - "An orphan (from the Greek: ορφανός orfanós)[1] is a child whose parents are dead or have permanently abandoned the child." and "One legal definition used in the United States is a minor bereft through "death or disappearance of, abandonment or desertion by, or separation or loss from, both parents". Edward321 (talk) 13:34, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Edward, the statements of you are contradictory. Please, look the sources of wikipedia in the article "orphan". Thank you!--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 14:57, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- Where have I contradicted myself? Edward321 (talk) 05:20, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- Well, you say, I should look at the sources for the term orphan. I did that. There you will find a source, which you have not accepted by me. Please, check all sources listed on wikipedia for orphans. Thank you!--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 11:01, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- Where have I contradicted myself? Edward321 (talk) 05:20, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Edward, the statements of you are contradictory. Please, look the sources of wikipedia in the article "orphan". Thank you!--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 14:57, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- This is covered on the page orphan with sources - "An orphan (from the Greek: ορφανός orfanós)[1] is a child whose parents are dead or have permanently abandoned the child." and "One legal definition used in the United States is a minor bereft through "death or disappearance of, abandonment or desertion by, or separation or loss from, both parents". Edward321 (talk) 13:34, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Edward, do you have a legal definition for orphans (USA, England, Germany, France, etc.)?--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 06:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- This definition only applies to children emigrating to the United States and does not require that such people be classified as orphans - the word "may" is used repeatedly. An official with the US Government might classify a child who still has one parent as an orphan, but there is no guarantee that the official will do so. This does not mean that we as Wikipedia editors can assume that anyone who loses a single parent is an orphan; that would be original research om our part. It means that any child that the US government specifically classifies as an orphan "for the purposes of immigration to the United States" could be added to this list. Edward321 (talk) 23:47, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Edward, some informations - The Immigration and Nationality Act provides a definition of an orphan for the purposes of immigration to the United States. A child may be considered an orphan because of the death or disappearance of, abandonment or desertion by, or separation or loss from, both parents. The child of an unwed mother or surviving parent may be considered an orphan if that parent is unable to care for the child properly and has, in writing, irrevocably released the child for emigration and adoption. The child of an unwed mother may be considered an orphan, as long as the mother does not marry (which would result in the child’s having a stepfather) and as long as the child’s biological father has not legitimated the child. If the father legitimates the child or the mother marries, the mother is no longer considered a sole parent. The child of a surviving parent may also be an orphan if the surviving parent has not married since the death of the other parent (which would result in the child’s having a stepfather or stepmother). Note: Prospective adoptive parents should be sure that a child fits the definition of ”orphan” before adopting a child from another country, because not all children adopted abroad meet the definition of “orphan,” and therefore may not be eligible to immigrate to the United States. Look please https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/orphan! Thank you!--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 14:54, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
I do not understand what you mean. If you have a source that applies to all people and uses a different definition of "orphan", please list it. Edward321 (talk) 01:48, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Edward, the source for Wikipedia for the article orphan (definition):
- - http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3Do%29rfano%2Fs
- - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/orphan
- - https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/orphan
- - http://data.unaids.org/pub/globalreport/2008/jc1510_2008_global_report_pp11_28_en.pdf
- - http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/orphans/society-half-orphan-asylum.shtml
- I believe, there is no uniform definition in the world for the term orphan. I have aligned myself with the World Bank definition. Further sources of the term orphan are:
- - https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/orphan
- - https://www.unicef.org/media/media_45279.html
- - http://hgsf-global.org/en/ovc/background/263-orphans-and-vulnerable-children-defined
- - http://educateachild.org/explore/barriers-to-education/key-terms-and-definitions
- - https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/6615837.pdf
- - http://siteresources.worldbank.org/EDUCATION/Resources/278200-1099079877269/547664-1099080042112/ed_HIV_Ensuring_EdAccess.pdf
- - http://documents.worldbank.org/curated/en/202581468204889186/pdf/301190PAPER0Reaching0orphans.pdf
- Look please and best regards!--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 06:14, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Edward, I hope you are fine. You have not reported? In the Jewish Bible (Tanakh), the term "orphan" (Hebrew יָתוֹם jatôm) means the fatherless child (Exod 22:23, Hi 24,9) or the child without parents. The difficult social situation of the children of the children is looked for (Job 29:12). This is the oldest source to the term "orphan" I could find. I ask you to take back your deletions. Maybe you can make an extra note behind the name and the explanation with halforphan. Thank you!--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 07:26, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Edward, I will restore some deleted half-ants. I hope you can accept it.--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 08:23, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Edward, No, I do not understand what you're doing with your deletions. Your action and argumentation are contradictory to this article. Perhaps you are better off with deletion? Maybe you have quite personal reasons to do it? But I do not have to understand everything.--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 10:24, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- Edward, I forgot something. In the end everything will be fine and it is not good, it is also not the end. Stay healthy and life-threatening. Greetings, Jens--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 10:58, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Edward, No, I do not understand what you're doing with your deletions. Your action and argumentation are contradictory to this article. Perhaps you are better off with deletion? Maybe you have quite personal reasons to do it? But I do not have to understand everything.--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 10:24, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Edward, I will restore some deleted half-ants. I hope you can accept it.--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 08:23, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
- Hello Edward, I hope you are fine. You have not reported? In the Jewish Bible (Tanakh), the term "orphan" (Hebrew יָתוֹם jatôm) means the fatherless child (Exod 22:23, Hi 24,9) or the child without parents. The difficult social situation of the children of the children is looked for (Job 29:12). This is the oldest source to the term "orphan" I could find. I ask you to take back your deletions. Maybe you can make an extra note behind the name and the explanation with halforphan. Thank you!--Jens Burkhardt-Plückhahn (talk) 07:26, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
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editI understand what the words orphan and foundling mean and have merely removed links to articles that provide no sourced claims that specific individuals were orphans or even directly contradict the claim that the subject was an orphan. Edward321 (talk) 05:09, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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