User talk:Jenyire2/Archives/2021/March

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Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or , and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome! Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 19:09, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Hey thanks for editing my Wikipedia page sorry if I don’t know how to write Wikipedia’s that much Itsactuallyrig (talk) 20:01, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Your edits

I am here to ask you to please stop tagging speedies and draftifying articles. You lack the necessary experience and your speedies are often incorrect. Here are a few recently that are pretty mind-boggling.

• • an a3 on a redirect
  • a g11 on a one sentence stub that contains no promotion
  • a g11 on a dab
  • A3 on a redirect
  • G1 on a malformed infobox

If you want to help the project, please improve some articles or consider finding sources for any of those in this category. CUPIDICAE💕 14:53, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Also please stop moving articles around - we do not use full names unless its the common name. CUPIDICAE💕 15:00, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks you comrade. Correction taken. Will improve. Jenyire2 07:23, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Re: Taking my article off wiki and designating it as needing clean up

Hi, I thank you for your verifying that my article "Anonymous Personal Sex Blogging" is “wikitable", which I assume is a wiki sub- culture term meaning the article has the potential to appear on wiki. I am now going to stay up all night to try to work out how to publish my article I have spent weeks labouring over. Could you help me by being more specific about what needs to be cleaned up in my article? In cleaning up the article all I can see to do is create section sub pages for the sections with a drop down menu. Otherwise, as far as I can see, the article is actually very clean. I could format the citation reference notes a bit to align them more. I have good proofreading skills and proofread for grammar and spelling quite thoroughly. I have noticed many new articles on wiki are designated as needing basic proofreading for spelling and grammar, but they are not taken off of Wikipedia. The first ten edits I did were for 10 articles in the clean up area that needed minor editing. My article is actually written more grammatically correct than these new articles I proofread, which, for example needed extra commas. Comma use is one of the last proofreading tasks before reaching a close to perfect text and I think I have generally checked every sentence for good comma use and ensured sentences that were too long have been either divided into two or turned into two independent clauses with a semi-colon. I assume you were not referring to the subject of the article as being not clean. In colloquial English, “dirty” can also mean “having sexual content". Well my article is titled “Anonymous Personal Sex Blogging" , so it is a study of the use of personal sex writings on blogs, meaning it deals with what could be considered, colloquially as “dirty" content, just as if my article subject was “the biology of human reproduction", this would study the biology of human sex and so too could be colloquially referred to as having “dirty" content. Then this colloquialism has no meaning in the case of my article. Then I assume you mean the main task I need to do to publish my article is to create sections with a drop down navigation menu. By drop down menu for sections I mean the following: my article is “Anonymous Personal Sex Blogging” ….my main title Then I wrote the lead or introduction which appears immediately below the main title Then I have 6 sections, the first section has the sub-title “History and Definition”…I need to create the drop down navigation menu after my lead with the sub-titles all listed vertically, with big arrows to the left of each sub-heading. This then displays , for the reader who opens my page, a vertical drop down list of my section titles with the option to open or collapse each section. I cannot find out how to easily create this basic menu feature, which seems to be a basic requirement for wiki articles, to make them “clean". I assume visual editing has no option to do this as there is no menu option to do this in visual editing. I will try to find a guide to source editing on Wikipedia that explains how to do this. Or if you can tell me how that would help me lots. Incidentally there was one article in the clean up area I found to edit, when doing my first 10 edits that had very poor sentence structure, but it had not been taken off of wiki. It was about the history of an area of Malaysia I think and looked like it was written by someone whose first language was not English but maybe Malaysian and could have been written originally in Malay and machine translated to produce the poor sentence structure of the article. I also wonder at the necessity for more clean up, and I say this with all due respect to you , as an administrator, however, I did a search on google, during my unsuccessful search for how to add the section drop down menu, and I noticed a Google entry titled something like the “are one page wiki articles or section paged articles better"; implying that you can put one page articles on wiki. Anyway I know my article is 25 pages long on a word doc, so it would be a lot nicer to present it with a drop down section menu. If you are another administrator knows how to quickly create sections and a drop down menu then I would be very appreciative if you want to go in and add the sections and drop down menu and publish it, so I can get some sleep, (a joke). Another question from this is how do I publish the article after I clean it up? I use my android smart phone to work at home on it. Will I have to make another trip to the internet café to publish it on a desk top computer (since wiki writing on android gives limited menu and writing options)? Or even more , is the article now held to be reviewed before I can publish it? I also noticed the first sentence of my article has now been broken up and changed, between the time I first published it and the time I checked back on it and discovered you had taken it off wiki and made it a draft. The first sentence now is broken and makes no sense. Well that is easy to fix. However please note this happened and that otherwise it still holds that my article is proofread well, as I explained. This also leads to the question of how the first sentence was changed. No one else is recorded as editing the article in that time frame. I am sure the first sentence was good when I published it and you are the only other editor of my article. I guess the sentence could have been changed by an accidental key move on the computer; computer cursors nowadays leap around documents and it is easy to accidentally alter a few words in a document.

Thanks for any help, f.w. Fitwrite (talk) 14:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

User:Fitwrite Just re-work the article to suit wiki guidelines. Look for help here Help:Editing. Be bold enough to make your good-faith edits. Once done, you can move the draft back to mainspace or re-create the page afresh. Blessings. Jenyire2 06:23, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

February 2021

Hello Jenyire2. Thanks for patrolling new pages – it's a very important task! I'm just letting you know, however, that there is consensus that we shouldn't tag pages as lacking context (CSD A1) and/or content (CSD A3) moments after they are created, as you did at Mahesana–Patan-Bhildi line. It's usually best to wait at least 10–15 minutes for more content to be added if the page is very short, and the articles should not be marked as patrolled. Tagging such pages in a very short space of time may drive away well-meaning contributors, which is not good for Wikipedia. Attack pages (G10), patent nonsense (G1), copyright violations (G12) and pure vandalism/blatant hoaxes (G3) should of course still be tagged and deleted immediately. Thanks. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

User:Extraordinary Writ, Apologies for the quick tagging. It's an oversignt. Thanks also for the reminders. However, I guess it's better to work on the article at the draftspace or user sandbox to avoid getting it deleted. As it stands now, it doesn't meet the wikipedia standards. Blessings. Jenyire2 07:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I completely agree. One solution for such cases is to draftify, although you should still wait a courtesy 10-15 minutes. Templates like Template:uw-draftfirst-empty may also be useful for users who are unaware that draftspace exists. Cheers, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:20, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Expert needed tag?

Hi - you've tagged BrainMan2017/sandbox-2 as needing expert help, but didn't specify why, or what sort of expert is needed (this is usually easiest done by linking it to a project, although that's not a requirement). Could you elaborate, please? Cheers, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:47, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

And on that note, please stop adding tags intended for mainspace to userspace and drafts. CUPIDICAE💕 13:22, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

User:DoubleGrazing, the content needed more elaboration by an expert but it appears the draft is deleted as well. Thanks for reaching out Jenyire2 06:26, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello

Hello and welcome to Wikiepdia! Just a note on this article. Articles on living people without any references can be proposed for deletion by BLPPROD. Thanks. Possibly (talk) 06:48, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Concerning deletion of page Affliction Networks

Hi, it seems you were right about the page lacking valid references.. The page has been updated to contain independent valid resources.. I urge you to please re-read the article and re-consider your vote. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoggingOnto (talk • contribs) 16:32, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Daisy the Diesel Railcar

Hello Jenyire2, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Daisy the Diesel Railcar, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Actual character from Thomas & Friends, so not obviously made up, but draftifying. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 20:33, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Aero International (Regional)

Hi Jenyire2, please reconsider your proposed deletion of Aero International (Regional). I created the page because there were already several mentions of the consortium without explanation or context in Wikipedia. I respectfully dispute your assessment that the subject is not notable. The members of the consortium are major aerospace manufacturers, with substantial coverage of the companies and their products on Wikipedia. I would be the first to admit that the article could have better sources, but I expect that will improve over time in the usual collaborative way. I have added some already. Paul Foxworthy (talk) 01:13, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Paul Foxworthy.. Allow the AFD to take its course. Let editors decide. Jenyire2 20:03, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Van Dorn Hooker

Hello - I note that you have marked my submission of this article for review (thank you), on 18 February. But it seems to have stalled, since then - is there a problem? Thanks Kokopelli-UK (talk) 16:47, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Kokopelli-UK, another reviewer will check on it. Pls be patient.Jenyire2 20:15, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Jenyire2, please do not forget to unmark articles which you have been marked as under review so that other reviewers can check them - 18 days are by far too long for an AfC Review. I unmarked it a couple of minutes ago. CommanderWaterford (talk) 22:52, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

CommanderWaterford, thanks a lot. Good job!Jenyire2 18:37, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Jenyire2, would be also a good job if you would notice me after you marked un-review for an article which I was actually reviewing and waiting for some input from the author. There is a difference of almost 3 weeks and 8 hours. CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:46, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Multiple drafts marked as under review by you

Please visit the drafts you have marked as "Under Review" urgently and either complete your review or unmark them as under review to release them for other reviewers. Category:Pending AfC submissions being reviewed now lists all that are under review, yours included.

This under review status is intended for brief use while the reviewer pinders matters, though it can be used to preserve the status of a draft for a history merge to take place. Fiddle Faddle 08:58, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Fiddle, thanks a lot for this reminder. I never noticed this. The scrip messed up on my end. I thought, I already unmarked them before now. But done now. I revisited. Thanks a lot comrade Jenyire2 18:37, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Jenyire2, Thanks for addressing that Fiddle Faddle 23:51, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Hashim Al-Witry Sources

Greetings Jenyire2, thank you so much for your comment/feedback regarding the draft article Draft:Hashim Al-Witry. There are a number of sources in English which I've listed but there are many more sources in Arabic, is is it possible to add Arabic sources to English articles?

I also would like to mention that there is an article related to this person published on Wikipedia in Arabic under the name هاشم الوتري is it possible to use that as a source and translate it to English.

Kind Regards, --SirSamvi (talk) 17:53, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

SirSamvi, you can add Arabic sources and resubmit. Jenyire2 20:01, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Hej, just a drive by comment. SirSamvi, if you take material from another language wiki, it needs to be credited in the English language article, please see WP:TFOLWP. --Goldsztajn (talk) 11:02, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the tip Goldsztajn, what if I'am taking script straight from an Arabic book and translating it to English wiki article, do I only need to list the source and mention it's an Arabic source or make other statements on the article? SirSamvi (talk) 02:07, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi SirSamvi - just so I don't misunderstand; the question is: what to do if one is using an Arabic-language source to support a particular statement in an article? Ideally, if there is no English-language equivalent (and there are lots of times there won't be or the foreign-language source may well be more reliable than anything available in English), then the point is to provide a reader with as much information as possible and provide a translation of the title source (although many editors do not do this). So something like the following (I chose something that seemed relevant):

Naziha al-Dulaimi was the first woman to hold a ministerial post in Iraq and the Arab world.

References

The code for the reference will look like this:

<ref>{{cite web |title=وفاة أول وزيرة في تاريخ العراق |url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/arabic/world_news/newsid_7036000/7036349.stm|trans-title=The death of the first female minister in the history of Iraq |website=BBC Arabic |access-date=10 March 2021 |language=ar|date=9 October 2007}}</ref>

Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 03:52, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Goldsztajn, this is exactly what I meant. I greatly appreciate your help, you've been extremely helpful. May I ask if its possible for you to have a look at my sandbox as I am currently rewriting a draft of that article, to see if it follows the guidelines and if everything is entered correctly? SirSamvi (talk) 16:02, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi SirSamvi; moving this discussion to your talk page. Regards,--Goldsztajn (talk) 21:12, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Taking new Articles to AfD

Hi, I noticed that you took recently several articles within a very short time range to AfD - Paul Teitgen for example within 11 minutes after creation. Just wanted to let you know (out of my own experience) that there are several Sysops which do expect to wait a minimum of 30 minutes at least. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Jenyire2, I too noticed your excessive AFDs. While I don't agree necessarily with the timing issue, it's clear you did not do a proper WP:BEFORE and I would like to remind you of this conversation. CUPIDICAE💕 21:47, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

CommanderWaterford, Thanks a lot. Sometimes such stuff happen. Will be more careful in future. I know of WP:BEFORE. Will take note.Jenyire2 19:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Jenyire2, god kväll - I suggest taking at least the AfD Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Teitgen to speedy keep (nominator withdrawal) - if you don't know how have a look here: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#Procedure_for_non-administrator_close_(nominator_withdrawal) Cheers, CommanderWaterford (talk) 20:08, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

CommanderWaterford, good suggestion but I guess an admin or any other editor can close it. I don't wanna do that to avoid COI issues. Why not close it yourself??Jenyire2 20:11, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Jenyire2, it is up to you but where do you see COI Issues ?? You have nominated it for deletion. I am not an admin but the nominator has in some cases (like this one) the option to withdraw it (like described in the link), the Discussion has a 100% keep consensus but you can let it run of course the whole time, no problem, just a suggestion. med vänliga hälsningar, CommanderWaterford (talk) 20:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Draft DittyTV

Hi Jenyire2, thanks for your reaction. Could you be more specific on your comment: 'Still requires more sources'. DittyTV wants to start with a small article and then step by step expand. My question is: how many more resources are required and on what part(s) of the article? Thanks, Eric-Jan van Kakerken — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric-Jan van Kakerken (talk • contribs) 08:27, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

submission declined

You declined my submission of blackmans crossroads. I have multiple documented references on the page, and it exceeds several other unincorperated communities pages of the same geographic area. Zapman987 (talk) 16:27, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Zapman987, I suggest resubmitting the draft and/or asking at the AfC Helpdesk WP:AFCHD for further help. CommanderWaterford (talk) 17:20, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Shelby G. Tilford

Could you take another look at Shelby G. Tilford (resubmitted after adding appropriate citations and text), or let me know how to get it reviewed again? Thanks.--Eonn (talk) 22:25, 18 March 2021 (UTC)