User talk:Jerzy/Help!/More info/Credibility

(This approach to Wiki-talk is an experiment; i've so far imposed upon a number of colleagues with it, who have responded thru it (even without this 'graph) well enough that i can describe it as "working" (though an otherwise angry one nevertheless described it as "ridiculous"). My hope is that it will slow the growth of my talk page, make my archiving simpler and more timely, and thus make leaving talk for me less burdensome (especially for slow-pipe colleagues) than it has been for too many months. I cordially invite discussion of it (or one-shot comments, from those who prefer) at User talk:Jerzy/J's Talk-subpage Experiment.)

If you add to this discussion, most other participant(s) won't be nearly as quickly aware of that as they would if you had also edited their respective talk page(s). (A link to the corresponding section of each is at their corresponding "*" below, and your updating the edit count and editing-time-stamp range there also gives that participant further information. But no one other than i has done so yet.) For my own notification, i've started a list that i can check via "Related changes" more often than i am willing to check my Watchlist or "My contributions", tho of course that is still less often than "You have a new message".

• 5 msgs, 15:22, 9 thru 05:13, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
  1. 15:22, 9 May 2005 205
  2. 13:26, 10 May 2005 205
  3. 20:12, 10 May 2005 J
  4. 23:39, 10 May 2005 24
  5. 05:13, 13 May 2005 (UTC) J
• 3 participants: Jerzy~t~*; User:205.217.105.2~t~*; User:24.54.208.177~t~*.
• general topic(s): 205's VfDs & suspected alternate accts

(under the heading "Help!":)
Please help save two of my articles from deletion. One is relevant to a discussion you had last year on the talk page of the UN Security Council article.

• Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Assumption by Russia of the Soviet Union's seat in the United Nations
• Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Wikipedia:Protocol Amending the Agreements

Thank you,
205.217.105.2 15:22, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

(under the heading "More info":)
The edit you made that made me think you might be interested in the subject matter was [1], in case you were curious. Indeed, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Assumption by Russia of the Soviet Union's seat in the United Nations might be merged into the Theory of State Succession article at some point. I hope you have been adequately convinced of what is really going on here, and will strike through any comments on the VFD pages that don't reflect the truth, or that make speculations that, while reasonable given the evidence available at that time, have since been proven false. Thanks,
205.217.105.2 13:26, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

(at User talk:205.217.105.2#Jerzy & 205)
Well, where to start?

I cannot communicate with you without noting my current impression: that you are a liar and vandal. To not mention that would be to lend credibility to someone who probably does not deserve it.

There is, however, something to be said for your gesture of responding to my implicit question about what led you to contact me. Yes, that sounds like something i'd have said, and more significantly, the way i'd have said it. I still don't think it deserves an article, but i shall review the VfD for whether merging has been adequately considered.

As to anything worth my retracting on VfD, i'd be surprised, but there's no harm in my reviewing it.

But neither of these is a high priority, and this is a bad week. Sorry for delay.

Finally, about your post to my talk page:

• Your second edit within 3 minutes caused part of the page to be doubled. I don't know if you caused it; i will fix it and please don't try to do so yourself.
• User:CryptoDerk reverted both of your edits, and i will inquire as to why, before deciding whether to revert their reversion. If there is a body of responsible editors treating your edits as blanket revertable over your sockpuppetry (whether on the theory you are User:Iasson or not), i will probably join them.

BTW, register an acct and stop using IPs. These acknowledged IPs are really obnoxious.

--Jerzy~t 20:12, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

(under the heading "Credibility":)

Quoting you:

I cannot communicate with you without noting my current impression: that you are a liar and vandal. To not mention that would be to lend credibility to someone who probably does not deserve it.

Well, it's hard to work constructively with you on these matters given this general attitude of distrust. If you want to confirm the fact that User:Tparker393 is not a sockpuppet, you will have to go to the developers. The facts given in my statement on the admin noticeboard are true.

24.54.208.177 23:39, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Everything on WP is hard for those whose own behavior casts suspicion on them, and becomes impractical for (among others) those who rely on those who suspect them to clear their names. IMO, you are on that track, and it won't much matter whether the accurate form of "you" in this case is "thou" or "you-all".
--Jerzy~t 04:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)