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NPR Newsletter No.12 30 July 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months. ()

Hello Jetstreamer, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

June backlog drive

Overall the June backlog drive was a success, reducing the last 3,000 or so to below 500. However, as expected, 90% of the patrolling was done by less than 10% of reviewers.
Since the drive closed, the backlog has begun to rise sharply again and is back up to nearly 1,400 already. Please help reduce this total and keep it from raising further by reviewing some articles each day.

New technology, new rules

• New features are shortly going to be added to the Special:NewPagesFeed which include a list of drafts for review, OTRS flags for COPYVIO, and more granular filter preferences. More details can be found at this page.
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• Current reviewers who have had the flag for longer than 6 months but have not used the permissions since they were granted will have the flag removed, but may still request to have it granted again in the future, subject to the same probationary period, if they wish to become an active reviewer.

Editathons

• Editathons will continue through August. Please be gentle with new pages that obviously come from good faith participants, especially articles from developing economies and ones about female subjects. Consider using the 'move to draft' tool rather than bluntly tagging articles that may have potential but which cannot yet reside in mainspace.

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Thanks for Welcoming me

Thanks for Welcoming Jetstreamer.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fly High in the Sky (talk • contribs)

Don't mention it.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 17:37, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Egyptair page

Hi, I have noticed a revert to EgyptAir page. Please be informed that the all caps for EGYPTAIR is because of their branding guidelines of 2008. They have merged Egypt with Air into an all caps one-word. You will notice these changes on their website and printed content.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mosalm (talk • contribs)

I don't know what are you talking about. Separately, you should sign your posts.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 15:39, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Happy Birthday

Kpgjhpjm 03:43, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much!--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:03, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Reversal in Air Algerie

Referring to your reversal regarding details of Boeing 747 used by Air Algerie in March 2017. Please understand as per wiki rules it is not mandatory to mention the source for every content. However before deletion / reversal you should check the content. Please note that the information mentioned by me is correct and i have data for the same.

Guysbenny (talk) 10:23, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Planespotters is not a reliable source. Regarding your statement "it is not mandatory to mention the source for every content" you are very much mistaken, read WP:VERIFY.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

References

Please don't undo work

Hello. I am Bro Dude51. I can see you everywhere helping everyone with edits from wikis. But on the Qatar Airways page, please do not undo my work. I understand that there is no space to put two pictures but I put an image of an A350-1000 that I hope works with you. I am sorry for calling you an idiot, but I would like an image of an A350-1000. Thank you, Bro Dude51 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:37, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Re: 114.204.41.84

Hello, I saw that you already left a few messages on that IP's page. They are making a lot of edits on aviation-related pages, which sometimes are weird but also not clearly vandalism, as far as I can see. I've left a friendly message to maybe get them to communicate to someone.

However I'm at a loss what to do with all the edits they have made. They aren't clear vandalism, and also often huge and confusing. I doubt many average editors will take time to review them. I frankly don't have time to dive into that either; but I also don't want to start blanket reverting (at least not before they had the chance to explain what they're doing).

As you seem deeper into the topic than I am, I wanted to check if you have suggestions or could lend a hand. Thanks, Averell (talk) 07:13, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

@Averell23: As far as I can see, this IP is shared, and I suspect the contributions come from a number of different persons.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 10:24, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

That may well be, although the IP consistently makes only aviation edits... Averell (talk) 20:39, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Air Serbia

Hi. Thanks Jetstreamer for letting me work on the article in stages and adding sometimes sources afterwords. Just a minor remark: the part you tagged as usourced was basically the only one that I didn´t touched and was there before my expansion. I just added to the sentence a further info that the hub was always in Belgrade. FkpCascais (talk) 00:27, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

I do not intend to expand it further, I think the most important aspects are there and I think I menaged to make a fluid, not too short but neither too long, history section. Now I will focus on sourcing what was left unsourced and add only if I find in them something worth mention. I value very much your experience in editing these aviation articles and your suggestions are welcomed. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 00:59, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for keeping the article up to date.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:13, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Reversion in LAPA Flight 3142

You were actually right about the info being in the sources. Could I revert and fix the typo? Tigerdude9 (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Iberia page

Hi re the Iberia fleet, I spent a fair amount of time researching for sources to update the fleet table and also to evidence the IB A320 family orders. By removing perfectly valid info that also aids the traveller when planning, you've now wasted my time and effort. Further, a source for the IB fleet orders is also needed and required by wikipedia policy; so not sure why you removed that?

Also, the "Business Plus" line I wrote is important as it is for longer routes and thus distinguishable from normal short haul economy. It's likely a similar product will be rolled out over longer routes as IB expand, thus rendering its inclusion necessary.

Ross-shire (talk) 17:21, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how much time you spend editing articles, anyone can edit what you wrote. Separately, regarding your ″perfectly valid info that also aids the traveller when planning″ you should be aware that Wikipedia is not a travel guide per WP:NOTRAVEL.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 19:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018

Hello Jetstreamer, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.

Project news

• The New Page Feed now has a new "Articles for Creation" option which will show drafts instead of articles in the feed, this shouldn't impact NPP activities and is part of the WMF's AfC Improvement Project.

As part of this project, the feed will have some larger updates to functionality next month. Specifically, ORES predictions will be built in, which will automatically flag articles for potential issues such as vandalism or spam. Copyright violation detection will also be added to the new page feed. See the projects's talk page for more info.

• There are a number of coordination tasks for New Page Patrol that could use some help from experienced reviewers. See Wikipedia:New pages patrol/Coordination#Coordinator tasks for more info to see if you can help out.

Other

• A new summary page of reliable sources has been created; Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources, which summarizes existing RfCs or RSN discussions about regularly used sources.

Moving to Draft and Page Mover

• Some unsuitable new articles can be best reviewed by moving them to the draft space, but reviewers need to do this carefully and sparingly. It is most useful for topics that look like they might have promise, but where the article as written would be unlikely to survive AfD. If the article can be easily fixed, or if the only issue is a lack of sourcing that is easily accessible, tagging or adding sources yourself is preferable. If sources do not appear to be available and the topic does not appear to be notable, tagging for deletion is preferable (PROD/AfD/CSD as appropriate). See additional guidance at WP:DRAFTIFY.
• If the user moves the draft back to mainspace, or recreates it in mainspace, please do not re-draftify the article (although swapping it to maintain the page history may be advisable in the case of copy-paste moves). AfC is optional except for editors with a clear conflict of interest.
• Articles that have been created in contravention of our paid-editing-requirements or written from a blatant NPOV perspective, or by authors with a clear COI might also be draftified at discretion.
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List of other useful scripts for New Page Reviewing

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TAAG LUANDA

You seem to have a problem reading; TAAG don't fly to Beijing anymore consult their routemap!— Preceding unsigned comment added by FlyByNight (talk • contribs)

And you seem to have a problem in following Wikipedia guidelines. If the destination is terminated you should mark it as such and provide a reference for the termination. That means sourcing, a basic policy here.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 15:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Albanian airlines

Sir the edits i did on Albanian airlines where right because the airplanes i stated where with reference on the history section don't need to scare me off with blocking me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ALBA LUSHNJE (talk • contribs) 20:24, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Also why remove the fleet graph on other defunct airlines of Albania i though you said we dont do for one so why take off the one from ada air. And explain why Lufthansa and other big companies have many pictures of planes so i cant put pictures oh yeah and check out airbaltic for how many pictures are their. ALBA LUSHNJE (talk) 21:45, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Then if you removed my edit because its from plane spotters then why don't you remove the other airplanes in fleet i dont get why your explanations aren't accurate. ALBA LUSHNJE (talk) 00:03, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

SpiceJet fleet

Delivery of Boeing 737 Max 8 to SpiceJet is Mentioned (Starting deliveries through August 2018 ) but now few days of September left and there is information whether SpiceJet received any Boeing 737 Max8 or not . Please clarify this or remove ( Starting deliveries through August 2018) . 649pardeep (talk) 01:23, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Have I made any good edits (in your opinion)?

First, I'm sorry about those edits to Yemenia 626 that backfired. Anyways, I know that I do make good edits that actually work, but I never heard from others. What are some good edits I made (not minor edits, major edits), in your opinion? I'm concerned about my editing skills and I need support. Tigerdude9 (talk) 12:12, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Don't you worry. If an edit is not good someone will either contact you or revert it.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 12:22, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for reassuring me. Also I joined WikiProject Aviation! Tigerdude9 (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Air New Zealand Flight 901

I'm aware the flight never made it to Christchurch and I'm gonna be honest, I myself was unsure if the edit would even work, but the infobox looked odd and felt incomplete, so yeah. Is there a way I can make it look more complete but less confusing? Tigerdude9 (talk) 22:59, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

SpiceJet fleet

SpiceJet now have Boeing 737 Max I had added the reference and you removed , Please explain that why you did this? 649pardeep (talk) 23:26, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

@649pardeep: Because I did not see that you correctly provided a reference. Your version has been reinstated [1]. Please accept my apologies.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:48, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Urgent

Reverted to revision 863555074 by 649pardeep (talk): Rv unexplained/unsourced changes. (TW) , this isn't me , it is Scheduled..7 649pardeep (talk) 01:44, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

IndiGo

Stop removing citation for IndiGo number. Reminding you that simple calculations are not OR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:These_are_not_original_research#Simple_calculations Unrave (talk) 17:20, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Unrave: This is not simple calculations. It is original research as you claim what sources do not. WP:OR is crystal clear and states that ″This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented.″--Jetstreamer ^Talk 18:41, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Regarding approving Indigo page

Hi,For the edit that changed the number of destinations provided by Indigo from 52 to 57. Before Accepting: I added this site https://www.goindigo.in/about-us.html?linkNav=about-us_footer. This site clearly states the number .I added the link in the box where you mention a reason for accepting the edit. I'm not sure where i can see my reason though. Since the homepage for Indigo airlines was already provided below in the same info table, and since the number of destinations was previously left uncited. I thought there was no need to refer it again.

I guess i will have to provide(and add) references for everything then. Thank you for correcting me, I will keep that in mind. Daiyusha (talk) 05:29, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Jetstreamer, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

Backlog

As of 21 October 2018, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.

Community Wishlist Proposal

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Coimbatore International Airport

Could help out with this article? There are SPA accounts, IPs and Gokul Bas re-instating destinations of IndiGo which the airline itself does not advertise as direct flights despite the same flight number. This can be verified in the schedule search of IndiGo. — LeoFrank  ^Talk 10:06, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Seems to have stopped, but I'll keep an eye on the article.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 18:39, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

I have the article in my watchlist.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:22, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Agree with your edits that the destinations you have re-instated are direct, but in the schedule search page, the airline itself does not provide these destinations in the drop down when CJB is chosen as the origin. I wonder what has to be done here. Perhaps they do not conform with point # 7 of the guideline.

On a different note, AI 127 from HYD-DEL-ORD is operated by a 777 on all the sectors unlike AI 173 (BLR-DEL-SFO) where the BLR-DEL is on an A320/321 and DEL-SFO on a 777. Many editors have removed HYD as a destination from ORD and ORD as a destination from HYD. To some extent, we can consider them as connecting because, AI operates different 777's on HYD-DEL and DEL-ORD route and this data is available on flightradar24, but that again is a debate whether or not to rely on the tracking website. — LeoFrank  ^Talk 14:09, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Reassurance

I remember when you reassured me that you didn't hate me and I thanked you. And to be nicer I decided to reassure you back! I support the LGBT community, and that was a bold and brave move to express your sexuality. I was surprised but proud that you managed to do that. I'm proud of you for being open, I really am. I wish you and your boyfriend the best of luck, and I hope you two get to live your lives the way you want them to be. :) Sincerely, Tigerdude9 (talk) 13:51, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind support. My boyfriend became my husband .--Jetstreamer ^Talk 14:03, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations Jetstreamer. Wish you and your husband a happy married life. I am a hard-core supporter of LGBT rights and was overjoyed when our top court decriminalized gay sex in India, after all we are not different in any way. (I hope you got what I said). . — LeoFrank  ^Talk 14:18, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks a million, LeoFrank! We married after an eleven-year relationship. My then-boyfriend and I visited India in 2013. A very nice country with very nice people, hope to be there again in the future.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 14:24, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

I did not know that you got married, so congratulations! I wish you and your husband even more great luck now !--Tigerdude9 (talk) 19:06, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Aegean

https://el.about.aegeanair.com/media-center/deltia-typoy/2018/aegean-airlines-selects-pratt-whitney-gtf-engines/

Reaching you about the edit in the AEGEAN airlines page that 20 more aircraft are to be leased.

It is mentioned clearly in the above website.

(Alexharalam (talk) 09:33, 30 October 2018 (UTC))

@Alexharalam: You did not add the above url to the article, and no sources there claimed so. You are more than welcome to -re-add the information using the above url. Regards--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:19, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know how to add it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexharalam (talk • contribs) 11:01, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

@Alexharalam: I can do it for you, but you can do it for yourself the next time. See WP:CS.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 19:41, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Biju Patnaik Airport

There are IPs repeatedly removing Chennai from AirAsia India whereas the schedule is available for the entire winter season. More details here. — LeoFrank  ^Talk 05:03, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

I've requested semi protection [2]. Let's see if this works.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:27, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Kenya Airways

Well, I'm not sure why they would focus on one country, but the best reason I can give the airline had never operated to the United States before. Workers said it would help the airline my getting more passengers and increase tourism in Kenya. To be honest, I'm not sure if this is a valid reason, but if it is, then it's worth a shot. Tigerdude9 (talk) 14:42, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

MESSAGE FOR YOU

Stop changing my edits without giving a reliable summary. Read to source before you change it, I read the source and I changed the article what the website says. 86.178.176.90 (talk) 21:45, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Why is North Nicosia listed as Ercan in airport articles?

Would you be knowing the reason? Ercan is the airport name, North Nicosia is what Wikipedia article calls the city, disambiguation page lists it as such as well but in airport articles it's being listed as Ercan instead of having city name i.e Ercan International Airport|North Nicosia, it could even be North Nicosia-Ercan or North Nicosia (Ercan). Does the city name have no validity in wiki despite hosting an article on the same, is the city officially/internationally just Nicosia with the northern part informally being referred to as North Nicosia by some? in Turkish its called Lefkosa which is all of Nicosia both North and South, is that why it is being listed as Ercan instead because one can't use the Turk name in English Wiki nor do people consider it as North Nicosia? can it be listed as Nicosia-Ercan, what is Wikipedia's stance on this issue?45.116.232.46 (talk) 13:51, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Can you kindly respond? 45.116.232.19 (talk) 19:26, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

This is a matter for WP:AIRPORT. You may rise your concerns at WT:AIRPORT.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 20:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for replying, I did that, no one is bothered even after I raised the issue with MilborneOne and he posted there asking if the listing manner can be changed, why is there a need to ask when thats the rule i.e city names only or city-airport name if city has more than one? so airport name use is already flouting whatever policy Wiki has on format in airport article tables. It should be North Nicosia only or North Nicosia (Ercan) not even North Nicosia-Ercan because the city doesn't have a second airport, the practice of calling the city as Ercan it seems is only prevalent in Turkey and its aviation industry including that of Northern Cyprus. 45.116.233.28 (talk) 18:31, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

MilborneOne took care of some of the entries you were worried about.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 12:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I was more annoyed that an article on the city with its name is being avoided and instead the city is being identified by its airport name, its not a case like Burma/Myanmar, there is no city called Ercan. 45.116.232.28 (talk) 10:22, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey you stupid Administrator Listen up

Would you please stop putting messages on my talk page and I will definitely not create an account so stop asking me to 86.178.176.182 (talk) 09:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Read WP:CIVIL. I have requested the article to be protected.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.15 16 November 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

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Air New Zealand Flight 901

What about the accident report? That has all the information about the crew members. Tigerdude9 (talk) 12:57, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Surinam Airways

Sorry, but I don't know how to reference. It says on there website that they are going to a 787 and buy 2 737 max 8s. So there you go Iam2yearsold (talk) 16:34, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Indian Airports

Hi Jetstreamer. Indian airports by far are the most difficult to maintain esp when users are hell bound in moving the page to add the word international and also to state that the airport is international as soon as the Indian government grants the tag. Shouldn't any airport first become a customs airport and then international? I raised the issue of the naming of airports a while back at WT:AIRPORTS hoping to have a good long discussion, but that seem to have just not interested all the users. But the issue with stating if an airport is international also exists. I can't entirely blame users here, it's how the Airports Authority of India projects these. Let me know your thoughts. — LeoFrank  ^Talk 18:06, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Airlines and destinations tables in airport articles

Hi Jetstreamer, hope you are fine. We had our disagreements in the past but I definitelly find you a colleague editor to turn to when I need advice over issues regarding airlines and airports cause I appreciate very much the work you have been doing here on the project. Now I definitelly need your advice. Its about the tables in airport articles. I don´t know if you are aware of what is going on at Talk:Sofia Airport. The article was proposed for Featured article and in the process editors came with strong conviction the Airlines and destinations tables at airport articles brake the WP:RECENTISM, WP:NOTDIR, WP:PROMO, WP:NOTTRAVEL rules. The problem is that if the table gets removed there, it will open way for being removed from all airport articles. That will totally change the airport articles alltogether. In my view, this is a decition that defines the style Wikipedia is opting for. Having the tables definitelly makes Wikipedia a modern updated user-oriented informative online encyclopedia, while removing them brings Wikipedia back to what classic encyclopedias are. Aware of the potential of such decition, I tried to bring it to the atention of major decition makers User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Airports but I think I made a bit of a fool myself there cause, not sure if I was menaging to point out that such an apparently minor decition will actually change the entire style of the segment of airport articles, I ended up there going in cyrcles and make a mess. Anyway, what leaves me warried is that editors seem unaware not only of this aspect, but that the decition of removing the tables will actually worsten the problem of WP:PROMO and edit-wars. In the tables we have at least all airlines and destinations given equal importance and weight, not favouring any company, while having just prose (suposedly adding just selectivelly the most important airlines and routes) will create a huge problem. What criterium will be used for adding info about some airline and destination in the article? Whatever the criterium, there will allways be editors wanting to add their favourite airline or destination. I am affraid anarchy will be created and much more work on patrolling the articles for us. Maybe I am exagerating, I dunno. What do you think? FkpCascais (talk) 21:19, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

And one more thing. I am not sure if people knows that there is actually not much literature about airports. If we remove those lists, many minor airports will basically be left with hardly and content. I think that is also a problem. What I reminded is if we could make separate articles for each airport having just the airlines and destinations, as in case of airliners destinations, but in this case, airport airlines and destinations? If we could basically remove the table from the article, and create a separate article just with the table? FkpCascais (talk) 21:33, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Jetstreamer I have an idea! (you must be thinking I´m crazy haha) Lets do that, lets remove the tables from the airport articles and make separate articles with them, so that way the info and the hard work of people that made them and updated them is not thrown to garbage. Also, same as in airliners destination lists, include the former airliners that served the airport and former destinations! All properly sourced obviously. I personally allways wanted that info. if you know any website which lists former airlines and destinations airports had, let me know. My only concern is if this new set of articles containing just this tables will be allowed. I guess in this case it would be like Sofia Airport airlines and destinations list, and then same for all airports. What you think? FkpCascais (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm just replying to the matter discussed in the last paragraph. I don't think it is a good choice to split the airport destination lists into stand-alone articles. Each one of them will likely fall into WP:NOTRAVEL and it will certainly be quoted as a rationale for deletion. One thing is for soure: many users take these lists as a fansite, and it is reasonable to understand that wiping them out will solve the problem for good.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 15:04, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

But with proper patrolling that has occured the tables have been providing quite a usefull and precise information. Also, an aspect which is mostly disregarded by us editors, is that such cases create an exponential increase in the ammount of traffic and edits which is beneficial for the project. Me personally still believe that the tables contain the most crutial information for airport articles. Removing them would be like removing "current squad" sections from sports lists. Airports main bussiness are airlines and routes they serve, without it, many many airports will be orphaned of information. I get to a feeling that you wouldn´t mind the tables to be wipped out, but I somehow feel sorry so much info which was well mantained and usefull, to be eliminated with one click. In my ideal world we would have all airports with complete lists of airlines and destinations, including terminated ones. We already have the first part, dedicating the next period of time to expand the second would be highly productive in my view, cause we would end one day having the complete data of airliners routes history in our project here. FkpCascais (talk) 18:14, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't have a position regarding these tables, but it is reasonable to say that they should be part of airport articles. You may start a discussion (if someone hasn't started one yet) at WT:AIRPORTS regarding the matter, but be prepared for a heated debate.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 20:14, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Ethiopian at Istanbul

No they will be flying to new aitrport, airlineroute makes sure airport is mentioned for cities with more than one, information is sourced from GDS, in the ref link I had attached you can see a Moscow airport is named and not just Moscow, when they first reported Istanbul route launch in June to start from November the new airport was expected to be open for all, so clearly ET was going to fly there hence just Istanbul instead of Istanbul-Ataturk, same now for March when new airport will be fully functional and open for all from January and Ataturk will close for passenger traffic, also all airlineroute posts for Istanbul launches prior to 29 October do mention airport to be used, be it Ataturk or Gokcen. I know ET web schedule shows Ataturk for March, but its wrong and is misreading IST as Ataturk, as the code belongs to new airport from January. 45.116.232.39 (talk) 16:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

'Unexplained'

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Hello, my edits are not wrong as i get my research from the ASN website which includes a database of the accidents along with the final reports of the accidents i research. I'll re-edit my edit (if it makes sense ha) and add the links and reasons why i made said edits. Thanks :)

OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 14:03, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

@OrbitalEnd48401: If you base your edits on reading the ASN website without providing a citation that's unsourced editing.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 14:25, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

No it’s not, the final reports are not. I read the final reports plus. The pages cannot be edited as they are main accidents. So don’t give me that.

OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 16:01, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Plus the fact that I read the investigation sections on the accident son Wikipedia. To say I do insourced research? Rubbish

OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 16:06, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

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OrbitalEnd48401

I don't know about you, but my gut feeling is that OrbitalEnd48401 is not as new as he claims to be. Mjroots (talk) 16:14, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

@Mjroots: I don't have the evidence to claim that. Experienced or not, they keep making the same edits they were told not to.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 21:05, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

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Sourcing?

With all due respect as we did get on the wrong foot in the past, on the Loss of control page, I wasnt sourcing the static ports, i was linking it to pitot static systems so viewers can read up on what they are. Anyways if thats still gonna be an issue for you personally, ill add in a reference from ASN stating that this type of accident (AeroPeru 603) is a loss of control accident not CFIT.

OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 22:22, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

You know, I may get a little unhappy with you undoing my edits, but you know at least it give me a chance to explain why i made that edit. But hey! At least you're professional :)

OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 22:24, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

As a treat i looked at some accidents which you keep an eye on and added more intel that i gathered from ASN!

OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 22:43, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

OrbitalEnd48401

Accepting that you feel there may be competence issues here, it would be nice if you would try and communicate when issues are raised by OE48401. A little patience and working together will remove a lot of stress all round, methinks. Mjroots (talk) 21:01, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Disagreements about airport destination tables

Hello Jetstreamer. I noticed you seem to be a regular editor on aviation articles. Lately there have been some disputes reported to admins about airport destination tables. See for example a currently open report at WP:AN3 about Liverpool John Lennon Airport and Bordeaux–Mérignac Airport: here. I have noticed the name User:Charlesdrakew being cited in some of the complaints but don't have any opinion yet on who is at fault. From a 2017 RfC (in which you participated) it seems to be agreed that airport articles can include destination tables. Are you aware of the current disagreements, and if so do you have an opinion on how to resolve the dispute? In any particular case, admins can always block editor A or editor B, but long term it would be good to get a solution. Thanks for any opinion. EdJohnston (talk) 03:01, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello EdJohnston. WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT allows the inclusion of future services as long as reliable sources are provided. If this is the case I don't see nothing wrong with adding future services. And if someone disagrees with this they should raise the matter to change the consensus.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 20:00, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT is clearly incompatible with Wikipedia policies such as WP:OR and WP:NOTDIR in that respect and needs to be changed to avoid being misleading.Charles (talk) 20:20, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

The way of changing it is not warring over the content.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 20:43, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Tell that to all the IP sockpuppets.Charles (talk) 22:23, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

User:Charlesdrakew, have you opened a complaint at WP:SPI about the IP socks? If not, beware of casting WP:ASPERSIONS. EdJohnston (talk) 01:38, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

If you look at the edits I was blamed for reverting at 3rr it is obvious that most of them are IP socks. First time IPs do not just appear like that if they are genuine new editors. I am not sure who is behind them as yet, so no I have not bothered with an investigation.Charles (talk) 10:05, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Allahabad Airport

Hi Jetstreamer. Could you keep an eye on this article? Vyomtripathi (talk · contribs) is re-instating content which I removed from the history which read more like an essay. They have also openly declared an edit war even through socks here. — LeoFrank  ^Talk 02:00, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

767's operated by spanish airlines

Hi. Sorry for adding information, without indicating the source. The problem, is that the source its myself: I know that Iberia had two 767's, EC-GTI and EC-GSU (some people say they where ex Asiana birds, and later transfered to Kenya Airways. Other people say they where wet leases from Air Europa). And the same with the ones operated by Air Europa (767-300, up to 7 units, not any more flying for Air Europa). Currently, there is an operator called Privilege Style, that operates one 767-300. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.63.215.89 (talk) 18:48, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

You may want to read WP:VERIFY and WP:RELIABLE.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 20:34, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Lanzarote Airport

Hi. You deleted my photo of a plane landing at ACE Lanzarote saying something like "this is about the airport not the beach" - of course I know it's about the airport that's why I took a picture (on a mere motorola phone not some pro rubbish) and hey there happens to be a beach in the background I know there is I walked up it to get a shot of the airport - I'm putting that post back in - if the photo is crap I can live with that but arbitrary deletion for rubbish reasons take it to the talk page in future (PS I am a soldier not a photographer so I don't promote any pics I take) XyzSpaniel Talk Page 23:20, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

We have WP:COMMONS for keeping images.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 23:55, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Why should it not be at the airport page - I'm not a novice on WP and don't want an edit war but a plane on approach to land is a good shot of an airport, no? (still not a pro photographer, still a soldier)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyzspaniel (talk • contribs)

You said you don't want an edit war [3]...--Jetstreamer ^Talk 00:38, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

IndiGo incidents

Hi, The IndiGo incident is 100 percent true. We source it from the news. Look up ASN Aviation Safety Network, Go to accidents database registration list, Type VT-ITR for the information. Thanks, VinTheLegend Vinthelegend (talk) 09:57, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

First of all, who is ″we″? And I don't have to look anywhere, Wikipedia works with reliable sources and the burden of providing them lies on the editor that adds new material or changes the existing one. Separately, the incident you have been trying to add is not notable.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 16:43, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Clarification on what constitutes an International Airport

Hi Jetstreamer. What constitutes an international airport? Are there any specifications for what constitutes an international airport and what would be the difference between an international and customs airport? Or does an airport become international by a mere declaration by the country's government? — LeoFrank  ^Talk 16:03, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) you may find some discussion and info at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports#"Template:Airports_in France"_major vs minor international MilborneOne (talk) 18:22, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

@MilborneOne: Thanks for pointing out the link. So an international airport is one that has at least one scheduled destination out of the country. In that case, what would a customs airport be? Madurai Airport and Mangalore International Airport were deemed customs airport for a very duration. How does a customs airport differ from an international airport? — LeoFrank  ^Talk 18:44, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

The main reason for this clarification is the fact that LovSLif (talk · contribs) is hell bound on adding the fact that Tirupati Airport is an international airport despite trying to reason out with them. [4]. There's not a single international flight from this airport. — LeoFrank  ^Talk 03:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

I think an airport can be labelled as international even when there are no current international flights. Have there been any in the past?--Jetstreamer ^Talk 12:44, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Aeroflot Colombo route is not terminated.

Aeroflot Moscow - Colombo route is not terminated and it is currently active route with 5 flights per week. The flight number is SU6266. Here's the link for your knowledge. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/su6266 The flight is being operated with Russiya B777 aircraft and again, Aeroflot SU6266 Moscow-Colombo route is not a terminated one. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SLAviationLover (talk • contribs) 15:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the link.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 18:34, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Notification of AFD

Hiya, you were previously involved with the article KC International Airlines. Just wanted to know I had nominated the article for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KC International Airlines (2nd nomination). Please voice your opinions there. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 17:49, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Fleet Numbers

Please state the reliable source you use for airline fleet numbers CooleoRose154 (talk) 00:08, 19 January 2019 (UTC) CooleoRose154

Official airline websites or reliable third-party sources, such as Flightglobal.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 00:09, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of VIF Airways for deletion

Hi, A discussion is taking place as to whether the article VIF Airways is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

Please do comment. Thanks. Trinidade (talk) 03:41, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Qatar Airways edit !

I have worked on Qatar Airways page yesterday and updated the fleet number and I noted for this edit as the primary source and reference is Qatar Airways website! You have removed all my edits to this category, if planespotters is not a resource you can easily remove the specific area that I mentioned plane spotters reference not all my edit ! You can check Qatar airways website fo Our fleet page and double check if my edit is the same as the official! Not to delete and remove all my edits that I worked on ! This is not acceptable! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatarBinSultan (talk • contribs) 08:49, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

What is not acceptable is: (i) that you removed the link to the July 2018 Qatar Airways fact Sheet, used as general reference for the fleet chart until your changes, but you did not remove the link to the archive version of it [5], so the url for the new page was inconsistent with the one in the archive (ii) that the new url you added did not support the aircraft on order. You should read WP:VERIFY over and over in order to figure out the way this project works.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 12:30, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Varig Flight 254

Hi Jetstreamer, I was going to revert that one too but after working it out on a compass I believe the intended and incorrect heading would both be made by turning to port. What do you think? - Samf4u (talk) 20:28, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

I have added a link to the archive version of the final report. I'll read it and see if I can find something regarding this.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 23:42, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for adding that report. After translating and reading it and all other sources I found nothing about the initial turn so I've edited that part out of the article. - Samf4u (talk) 21:00, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

Yemenia

Ok fine it doesn't need the update template, but as for the stuff about the airline's comeback, I remember adding a source, which is: https://www.thenational.ae/business/aviation/exclusive-yemenia-to-resume-flights-to-arabian-gulf-and-africa-as-it-plans-comeback-1.791796 However, I must have deleted the citation by accident before I published it and did not notice. Tigerdude9 (talk) 20:50, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome to re-add.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 00:37, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

 Great! [6].

Azul Brazilian Airlines

Hi Jetstreamer, amongst various other sources please accept https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/azul-adds-two-avianca-brazil-a320neos-455450/ and www.airfleets.net as sources for the updates applied.— Preceding unsigned comment added by EDV1969 (talk • contribs)

Those sources do not replace the one you remove and it supports the entire fleet table.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 23:51, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Jetstreamer, that was not my intention, could have been a slip of the pen, sorry - will double check next time as I am trying to be as highly as compliant to the Wikipedia philosophy.

Aegean Airlines

Hello,

Regarding your reversion on the Aegean Airlines article, could you please elaborate on what the problem is exactly? I did read the policy you mentioned but I'm still not sure about the reason behind your reversion. Thanks! Esslet (talk) 12:31, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Description of miscellaneous information regarding travelling, such as the one you added mentioning multiple prizes/awards, are not encyclopedic and belong to WikiTravel.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 12:38, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Jetstreamer I can see how you are thinking here, but I'm still not sure where exactly it is mentioned that an award is just some "miscellaneous information regarding travelling". It seems to me that an award/awards, if anything, adds to the company's notability and makes the article even more encyclopedic. The Malaysia Airlines and Qantas articles also mention some of the companies' awards, isn't that encyclopedic either?

I'll be waiting for your response, hopefully providing a specific policy to support your argument. Otherwise, I hope we can agree on adding, at least, the most "notable" awards (by Skytrax, ERA and IATA). Esslet (talk) 17:35, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. You can search across the archive discussion at WT:AIRLINE regarding the inclusion of Skytrax information into airline articles. Alternatively, you may raise your concerns at Talk:Aegean Airlines so that everybody can participate in the discussion. I'll be more than happy to drop some lines there.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 22:53, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for replying. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is just an essay, so there's no need to elaborate further on that. It even mentions anyway that "These "other stuff exists" arguments can be valid or invalid." In any case, I didn't really mention the Malaysia Airlines and Qantas articles as an argument in that sense, but more like to understand how you feel about that and bring it to your attention in case you've missed it.

Now, although it'd have helped a lot if you had shared a link to a specific topic/topics at WT:AIRLINE, I did search it as you proposed, read some arguments and understand that you are against adding info regarding Skytrax in airline articles. That's totally fine of course, but I guess everyone has his own opinion and others disagree. From what I understand, there's no policy and no consensus regarding the mentioning of Skytrax awards in articles. All in all, I'm thinking of adding a paragraph of the most "notable" awards by Skytrax, ERA and IATA and I really hope you're ok with that, but if not, I'll start a new topic in the Aegean Airlines talk page following your advice, so that we can both raise our concerns and hopefully gather more opinions. If the removal of any info from the paragraph is agreed on in that talk page, I'll fully respect that. But at this moment it seems to me it's just your word against mine. Esslet (talk) 14:30, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Nah, maybe I'll wait a little more before re-adding... Esslet (talk) 14:32, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Go ahead and re-add, but please be concise. I don't think it'll do any harm to the article.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 14:34, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Alright, thank you. And you can find the new topic here. Esslet (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

I started a thread at WT:AIRLINE [7] linking to the discussion at the article's talk page. You may want to wait in order to get some feedback before re-adding.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 14:47, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, must have missed your comment here by seconds, but the paragraph has been removed again anyway... Esslet (talk) 17:48, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Skytrax awards on All Nippon Airways page

Hi Jetstreamer. In July 2018, I wrote on All Nippon Airways talk page to suggest removal of awards section of that page. The awards section only refers to Skytrax, which I (& most editors I know here) knows that Skytrax is kind of pay-to-win awards and that doesn't belong into an encyclopedia. I also saw numerous actions of deletion of Skytrax awards from some airline articles here. Seems no one takes attention to it. I suggest you to review. Thanks. Naufal Praw (talk) 15:18, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

@Naufal Praw: Hello and thanks for your message. Would you mind to drop some lines here regarding your experience with ANA? All the best.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 16:01, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Looking at your discussion with Esslet above and current discussion here and archived Skytrax discussion here, I think I will let the discussion go and see what will happen with current consensus of not including Skytrax in airline articles. Anyway, I noticed that one of the editor involved in the discussion removed the awards section of Garuda Indonesia, not that long before I raised the ANA talk page. Again, I will let the discussions go first and see what happens next. Lastly, I never have any experience with ANA, so I have nothing to say about.Naufal Praw (talk) 16:27, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Naufal Praw: Thanks anyway. Cheers.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 18:27, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Hey Mother fucker

How's your baby going eh (hahaha). I just to say how fucking horrible and just how you are an idiot. Your partner must hate you. Don't change my edits on Air (fucking) Seychelles or on my talk page you big wanker. 85.255.236.230 (talk) 12:52, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Just to note Jetstreamer, the ip user has been blocked for two weeks for this personal attack. MilborneOne (talk) 13:26, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Airport

• Ok. So, I'm going to give the source and the links to those websites including if they needed to be downloaded. Right? Andrew20070223 ^Talk 18:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_accidents_and_incidents

According to the data in flight recorders, the engines did not catch fire and continued working until the impact. The latest official reports are published in Russian on the Air Accident Investigation Commission website. An English translation of the final report is available at the United Kingdom Air Accidents Investigation Branch website; the AAIB states that it is not an official English translation.[14] The final investigation report stated the following reasons for the crash: The immediate cause of the accident was the loss of spatial orientation by the crew and chiefly by the Captain who was piloting the aircraft during the landing phase.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_821

Not much a reader of the referenced Wikipedia article, are we? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.217.102 (talk) 22:45, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

You cannot use Wikipedia as a source.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 20:37, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Spice jet flags

Hey,

I was wondering, why you removed all the work I did on the List of SpiceJet destinations. I added links for all the places on the list, and added flags.

Thanks Yellow alligator (talk) 00:06, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

You may want to read WP:AIRLINE-DEST-LIST regarding the use of flags in such articles.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 15:33, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Fuzhou Airlines

About this, is a source needed? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:23, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello Anna. I think it is per WP:VERIFY. Linking to another article that supposedly includes the source(s) is not sourcing.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 12:24, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

But all of those aircraft are grounded in China. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:32, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Of course they are, but a reference must be added to support those claims.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 12:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

How about a single ref that says all such aircraft are grounded in China? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:54, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

And refs that say that are here: 2019 Boeing 737 MAX groundings. Considering that content must be "verifiable" and not necessarily "verified", I really think that the content should stand, be reffed by you, or a cn template added. Just removing it seems inappropriate. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:58, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Adding unsourced content is against WP:VERIFY, even when the content is verifiable at other articles. Linking to another article is not sourcing. Additionally, the introduction of information likely to be challenged must be supported by sources and WP:BURDEN stands, it is not me the one who should look after for references.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 10:48, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Of course I'm not talking about linking to another article. I am saying that being sticklers for paperwork should not supersede using commons sense. All those planes are grounded. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:58, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Do you want to remove from sun the unsourced lead sentence: "The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.??? Of course not. But that unsourced content is against WP:VERIFY. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:01, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Not every Wikipedia reader is aware of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 and its related aftermath, that's why supporting references are required. Anna, that's my vision. If you believe I'm wrong you're free to revert my edits.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 15:31, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Actually, you make a good point about every reader aware of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302. You are probably right. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:14, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Be careful

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Can you be careful please, you removed my edit on the summary of Ethiopian air 409. OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 15:45, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I gave a ″proper reason″ [8]: Read the talk page thoroughly.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 17:38, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I have your reasons I'm sorry to say are bogus. This quote Lebanese Civil Aviation Authority stated that the flight crew mismanaged the aircraft's speed, altitude, and heading. This report states:

1- The flight crew's mismanagement of the aircraft's speed, altitude, headings and attitude through inconsistent flight control inputs resulting in a loss of control. 2- The flight crew failure to abide by CRM principles of mutual support and calling deviations hindered any timely

Firstly, if you read the first one in partcular they 'mismanaged' their aircrafts speed, headings and altitude. Pilot error includes the term 'mistakes' and 'failures to exercise due diligence in a pilot's duties'. If you're telling me that hving just Crashed shortly after take-off as a summary is acceptable well that is quite silly. It gives no detail at all as to way. If you will not even accept CRM in the summary then you really are taking the cake as the final report cites the failure of CRM. OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 18:12, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Look. I don’t know if you’re wasting my time but you have not sent a repairman, if you are over with this edit war so claimed by Andrew I’ll just re add CRM back into the summary if you do not want to discuss not be involved in the discussion. 15:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Are you gonna have this debate over a summary then? I have better things to do but I want this out the way with, if you really edit warred with me for no reason thats pretty sad. All I want to do is add CRM not pilot error, it was CRM that lead to the accident. OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 19:18, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

You removed the CRM stuff, not me [9]. I just restored the version prior to your edits. Separately, mind WP:3RR regarding your changes to the article.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 19:38, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I didn’t remove the CRM stuff? It was Andrew crapping himself saying I’m edit warring well he is as well if he removed that. Look I know we’re both rocky but can we agree on CRM? OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 19:48, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

It should be discussed at the article's talk page.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 21:13, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I can’t be bothered, I’m lazy lol. Look as CRM is noted in the final report can we add it to the summary to make it worth reading? OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 21:47, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

At the article's talk page, pleaseeeee...--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:27, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Not to be rude but I haven’t gotten a response yet. OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 15:43, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

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User:Emcdpenguin and User:EMcPenguin: GRU-PEK flight on Air China

I am having a little trouble here. This user insists that Air China does not operate a direct flight from Sao Paulo to Beijing (eventhough it stops in Madrid). He responded on his talk page saying that the flight stops in Madrid but it is not a direct flight. I have directed him to WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT point 7 on the meaning of a direct flight but seems to ignore or not understand it. I am beginning to wonder if User:Emcdpenguin and User:EMcPenguin are the same person because they were registered on the same day and made similar edits to this. Can you explain to him in depth that Air China operates a direct flight from Beiijing to Sao Paulo via Madrid? I have gave him a link to the airlineroute.net article as well for this. Thanks! 97.85.118.142 (talk) 05:31, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Notable Source

Hello Jetstreamer,

I am writing to ask about a revision that you did on my contribution on the Qatar Airways article. As I am new to Wikipedia, I would like to know what about my additions to the Qatar Airways article were not notable? I believed that news articles reporting on the airlines incidents were notable as they were independent from Qatar Airways. I look forward to your reply, Thank you AlHitmi (talk) 11:01, 27 March 2019 (UTC)AlHitmi

WP:AIRCRASH includes all the information you request.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 12:44, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Air Albania

Hi,

I see you have reverted back my edit on Air Albania with this comment: Planespotters is not a reliable source and the added cities cannot be focus cities if they are not served at all)

1. Actually if you payed attention I did include three sources, not just Planespotters. The first reference was from the official announcement from one of the shareholder of the company (Albcontrol) wich announced on the very day the registration and licensing of the Airline. (if you think Planespotters is not reliable for confirming the airline code, just improve the article by removing that reference instead of reverting everything.)

Reference: "Certifikohet 'Air Albania', ja 5 aeroportet ku do të operojë" (in Albanian). shqiptarja.com. 26 March 2019. Retrieved 26 March 2019.

2. Focus cities where also announced in the official statement with operations expected to start by the end of April, 2019. Piasoft (talk) 19:13, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

You provided no references at all for point 2. That constitutes an unsourced edit.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 20:22, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

I am uncertain about some edits

Are you okay with these edits? Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:05, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello Anna. Can you please be more specific? I'm not getting your point.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:20, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I just see that their most recent edits are unsourced. I wonder if they are okay. I'll leave it in your hands, if that is okay with you, because I know nothing about the subject. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:18, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Images to Vietnam Airlines

Hello, Is it allowed to add pictures of Vietnam Airlines fleet just like other airline articles that show every picture of each aircraft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Triila73 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

We have Commons for that.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:48, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

List of LAM Mozambique Airlines destinations

Hello Jetstreamer,

I recently added Paris Charles De Gaulle Airport to the "List of LAM Mozambique Airlines destinations". I would like to have a better explanation on why you reverted my edition as I have referenced the same source as Copenhagen, Madrid-Barajas and Berlin Schönefeld, the "World Airline Directory". Please check the source and you will find Paris there. Thank you! Alexmacovela (talk) 19:42, 3 April 2019 (UTC).

I added the reference. Paris is there, but the source does not specify the airport.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 23:34, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

The source does not specify the airports for Madrid, Lisbon, Copenhagen... Alexmacovela (talk) 07:26, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Madrid, Lisbon and Copenhagen have a single airport each.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 10:09, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Also the source for Johannesburg does not specify the airport despite the fact that Johannesburg has also Lanseria International Airport... I suggest the inclusion of Paris, leaving the Airport column null. Otherwise, the list of LAM destinations is not complete. Alexmacovela (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

What we can do is to include Paris as you suggest, and fill in the airport column with a note saying "Airport not specified in source" or something like this.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 22:29, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

I fully agree with you. Alexmacovela (talk) 17:57, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Qatar Airways

Hi Jetstreamer, noticed you removed some of my edits on the Qatar Airways, however some of the information you have replaced it with is not correct. With regards to the leased LATAM aircraft, these are not wet-leased aircraft as you have mentioned, but are instead dry-leased and operated by Qatar Airways crews. All 3 are on the Qatari aircraft register (A7-AMA, A7-AMB, and A7-AQA).

Second, you state Planespotters is not a reliable source, yet several other airline fleet pages do contain citations to Planespotters, such as Delta Air Lines fleet, Lufthansa, and Emirates fleet. These three pages also happened to be the first three I bothered to look up. If other pages consider it reliable, why is it not reliable for Qatar's fleet?

Third, the A340 has in fact not been retired yet, and you have removed it from the page. What is your citation for this? 2 aircraft (A7-AGC and A7-AGD) are most definitely still in service with the airline.

Rufusmi (talk) 02:21, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

You might want to take a look at WT:AIRLINE regarding the unreliability of planespotters. That other articles are using is not an endorsement to use it in this article.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 02:45, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

References

The article you linked to actually contains no information regarding the reliability of certain websites, and Planespotters in particular. Perhaps you could show me the section you’re referring to?

Also, you didn’t provide a response to the two other questions I had. Rufusmi (talk) 15:54, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

WT:AIRLINE is not an article but a talk page. You can find a discussion regarding planespotters here. It is not that hard to find, it just requires a search across the archives.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 21:31, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Vietnam Airlines

Im fixing some REAL things in Vietnam Airlines Also, you told me to add anything with reliable source. Well, i have flown on Vietnam Airlines alot so i know what is real ok? Just adding some SkyTeam Livery and you said i need a reliable source, like really? Just seeing you deleting my edits is just infuriating. You just missing some info, like with A350 has a SkyTeam Livery, then you remove it... Vietnam Airlines said that they will remove the A330 this year. — Precedingve unsigned comment added by ImDollarsWiki (talk • contribs) 23:42, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

We don't have such things like ″real things″ in Wikipedia. Read WP:VNT before editing further.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 02:54, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

I based on VNA news to know that it is true and you just complaining me?? Like, you should quit — Preceding unsigned comment added by ImDollarsWiki (talk • contribs)

Your edits were unsourced, no matter what you say. You should also sign your posts.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 10:24, 15 April 2019 (UTC)