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Changing preferences

Maybe you use Firefox. I don't but I have now read that it may automatically fill in the "Old password" field, so when you submit the form, it thinks you want to change your password to an empty string. If this happens then clear the "Old password" field before saving preferences. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:29, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar, but it wasn't my idea. I read it at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Different password for saving preferences? from somebody who read it in yet another place. I remembered there had been help desk posts about it recently so I found and notified 3 posters including you. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

New page

I believe you intended to create User:Jinnai/signature not Jinnai/signature. I have moved the page for you. Jon513 (talk) 18:26, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

About signatures, it's helpful to have part of it in English to help those who don't speak or read Japanese. Moocows rule 01:50, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

About Caramelldansen Article

If you found a reliable resource it doesn't matter if its in japanese, can you forward me the link please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruakuu (talk • contribs) 20:26, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh nevermind, I saw your add on the discussion section, I will check it out later, many thanks. --Ruakuu (talk) 20:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Fable 2

Hi, it is very non-constructive to continually edit an article - especially one that is partial lock down - without discussing your edits. Two of the source, as I have said on the talk page are simple not reliable under wiki policies (I can provide you with a link if you are unfamiliar. Indeed, in general websites should not be used for referencing reasons. It seems like you are new to wiki and i understand that there are many things to learn here. Indeed, a third undo would lead to a 24 hour ban. It might be better to discuss this on the articles talkpage. If I can be of any help in pointing you to all or any wiki policies you are unfamiliar with please let me know. The7thdr (talk) 19:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, and doing so explains why it makes sense to leave a comment after an edit - it helps to clarify. You may be correct about 1up, my point however, is that it is comment about a thread in a forum and this is not clear for the edit inserted in wiki. The same thread that seems to find so many "bugs" lists; such "bugs" as not being able to have multiple saves, yet this is clearly - and a stated - deliberate design choice by the designers. There are also multiple comments on threads about Fable 2 causing the RROD, yet no one is taking that seriously. The issue is that the XBOX itself is such a shoddy piece of hardware that many of the "bugs" may just as easily related to the hardware and not the software. Indeed, this seems most likely given that - based on unit sales and overall threads/users - so few are finding they have the issues cited. This is not to say that there may not be problems - as console software seems to have gone the same-way as PC software and is being released before it is fully debugged, this would not surprise me - the issue is what should be considered reliable in a WIKI article. Does that make me sound a tad "anal"? Probably :)The7thdr (talk) 04:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, You maybe correct but we have to be careful of wording. The third most read and commented thread on the board is one that claims that Fable 2 "hacks" the xbox 360 and overclocks it! Are we to take that seriously? Considering the unit sales of the game, the comments on the board, the people that seem to be having issues is tiny. The Xbox 360 is generally plagued with a large number of base units that are "shoddy" to put it mildly. Go to any message board for any game and you will see messages from a small number of users claiming the latest game "broke" their counsel or is "bugged". If the issue was as great as seems to be suggested in the article than the returns would be so large they would be undeniable in the media.

I do play fable 2 and while there are certainly technical limitations with the game that maybe considered unacceptable - the problems with MP and the unacceptable lagg when entering menus - experienced by all players and indeed reviewers, the sort of issues being cited in the wiki article seem limited to a small few people on a message board. While this maybe worth mentioning it needs to be put in context The7thdr (talk) 03:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Just time for one comment: Websites and magazines never have any sort of peer review; peer review is a standardised academicThe7thdr (talk) 20:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC) process. :)

Incomplete FAR

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Re: Your proposed FL removals

Please do not do any more until we get more comments on the True Tears one, which is going to stay an FL per WP:SNOWBALL which I think you should read.--十八 08:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Good, because I saw you going for List of Tsukihime, Lunar Legend episodes.--十八 08:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Withdraw your nomination. You deserve a serious trout slap from me the FL contributor and me the FLRC director for screwing up in both regards. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 09:11, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

...this is really, really bad. Episode articles have to prove notability. Episode lists do not. Very, very big difference there. WP:FICT doesn't change anything in regards to current episode lists; if anything, the current RfC on notability came out very strongly in favor of episode lists (not lists in general). Withdraw your nomination. You're basically the chicken running around in the dark with its head chopped off at this point. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 09:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

...wow, this is even more moronic. Per the guidelines of WP:ANIME's assessment department, episode lists use the start-C-B-FL track because it's much more appropriate to measure the quality of the list. Furthermore, any reception information belongs in the main article, as it's more relevant there and this isn't shooting for FA. Doesn't matter whether the main article is about a visual novel or not; you cover the anime's reception there regardless. Did you stop to think for a second why every single anime/manga FL doesn't have a reception section? It's inappropriate there. Good heavens, withdraw the nomination. You don't have an iota of consensus here. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 09:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Good. I moved the reception section from List of Popotan episodes (which is decently close to FL if you make a good effort) to Popotan. Take care to be more circumspect in the future and realize that there are community-sanctioned exceptions to WP:NOTE. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 09:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Re:YuYu Hakusho episode summaries

I've been struggling for time to back to some of my old FLs, but in some cases, the summaries are kinda appropriate. YuYu Hakusho is the epitome (outside of Dragonball Z) of the "episode drags on way too long on single fight scene while enemy charges super-powerful attack and everyone watches and gapes," so the summaries usually encapsulate the general gist of the episode. And remember guidelines are generalized comments in regards to these articles; the 100-word summaries are a relative minimum and assuredly not an absolute one. — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 23:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Essay

Well that explains why I forgot who you are. Your sig contains no characters I am capable of interpreting, so I tend to think of you as "string of characters in a blue box," which is not useful in remembering who someone is. :) Phil Sandifer (talk) 16:50, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Anime Series

Replied. ηoian ‡orever ηew ‡rontiers 03:46, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Replied again. ηoian ‡orever ηew ‡rontiers 04:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

PR request

Sorry, I'm too busy just now to help with another peer review. Good luck with the list, though! Scartol • Tok 21:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

GAN edit

When removing Harry Potter in translation, in this edit [1] you left your name. It appears as if you are reviewing Nights in Rodanthe. --maclean 05:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

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Popotan

Anyone have reliable sources for Popotan being the one that propelled the Caramelldansen dance into a meme?Jinnai (talk) 17:33, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

First of all, your question seems a bit confusing. Popotan animation loop was used with other songs before Caramelldansen song was added. It became the formal meme after it. The dance is in the animation loop. I don't see why it needs a reliable resource, because the article only explains the meme as it is, and doesn't go into to much detail that can't be proved.

All of the content with unreliable sources was removed long ago and depured by various editors of wikipedia.--Ruakuu (talk) 09:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Not quite. This statement:

"It was not long before parts from the introduction of the PC game were captured and posted as small GIF animations for people to use."

is clearly stating something that would be defined as original research by Wikipedian standards unless you can site a source.Jinnai (talk) 17:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh that part. I don't really see much of a problem with that, other editors including me didn't find that much relevant, because the thruth is that, the caramelldansen came from the opening of the pc game, the popotan opening of the game is here. If we are getting really strict on this well yeah, it will be hard to citate that from a reliable resource now, I haven't seen any good source till now. Still looking for it.

Meanwhile I will document those new japanese sources posted by _dk. they are really good. Im looking that this meme is more popular in japan so there is a good change that I can find good articles in japanese. --Ruakuu (talk) 18:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

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RfC

I saw your RfC on the Wild ARMs series talk page, and I was wondering what exactly that is? I read the description there and on the page for it, but I'm still confused. Is it something editors such as myself don't need to respond to; something handled by the head guys here? Or is it some kind of discussion editors should respond to? I was going to just ask there, but I'm a new user, and after what I read, decided it was probably smarter to just ask directly here. Hope that's alright. TheBrokenSky (talk) 02:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

We have been having serious problems with diruption caused by the naming both for the namespace and inside the article about the naming of the game and invidisual games by extension. WT:VG was asked for a neutral 3rd-party opinion by someone and when I, after discussing it and coming to some basic agreements, went in and posted some ideas, I was accussed by one of the same members causing the conflict of being a scokpuppet. At this point since I had tried to be neutral I did not want to get seriously involved with someone who appeared to not following rules reguarding building consensus and instead appeared to be owning the page. However, this person was not alone and therefore I did not want to report a talk just on the 1 indivisual.じんない 03:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Who accused you of being a sock and was owning the page? I've been hoping to clean up the Wild ARMs pages, but saw all the stuff on the talk page. This issue interests me, but I want to try and stay away from someone who's trouble... I think your mistunderstoof my question, though. I'm confused by what a RfC itself is and what an editor's rule in it is. Is it something handled by admins or mods or whatever they call the people who are in charge here? Or are editors such as myself expected to post something there? TheBrokenSky (talk) 03:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know, TheBrokenSky, I suspect you of being yet another sockpuppet of SyberiaWinx / 67.163.193.239.

And Jinnai, I, too, wonder who accused you of being a sockpuppet... You make it sound like I did, but I assure you I never did such a thing. You can go and check. I didn't say I was suspecting you, I said I was suspecting your interlocutor (i.e. "Akari Kanzaki"... and as it turned out, an admin agreed with me and blocked her).[2] Erigu (talk) 03:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Whether or not I was agreeing with her (which I wasn't exactly), was a term we decided based on the merits of wikipedia's policies guidelines for naming, which goes by the most common name usage, which given reliable sources use both, should be the one used on the discs since those are the most likely ones shown. When I came and pointed that out and pointed out what policies we use to decide, that's when I was accused. That is why I believe you went to far and appeared to be owning the page, you appeared to be ingoring a 3rd-party neutral attempt to define how we handle acronyms for other games and our general guidelines for naming.じんない 03:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Again, I never accused you of anything. Link to the diffs, please?

What I did tell you though (I would really appreciate if you could go and re-read my initial reply, as you apparently weren't paying that much attention) was that the different Wild Arms games had been released in English language by several publishers who used different capitalizations, hence the problem. SyberiaWinx argues that we should use "Wild ARMs", the capitalization used by XSEED Games (most of the time, anyway... they're not that consistent and also used "Wild Arms" and "Wild ARMS"), whereas I think we should use "Wild Arms", as that's how all the other publishers capitalize the title (and on top of being more common, it's also less fancy, which is a plus for Wikipedia, I think). Erigu (talk) 03:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Is this trigger-happy fellow who you were referring to, Jinnai? I could certainly see where you would get that idea. I don't think I've even been here a day, yet I'm apparently a sockpuppet because I'm interested in cleaning up the Wild ARMs pages? It is a dark day for RPG fans everywhere. And just what is wrong with my username? Do you have some problem with literature, Erigu? TheBrokenSky (talk) 03:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's the guy.じんない 03:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Let's just ignore him for now. I can't deal with those types. So, what's this RfC thing? TheBrokenSky (talk) 03:57, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Request for Comment is where users can go for a broader opinion on what should be done when consensus doesn't appear to be reachable and a neutral 3rd party assessment doesn't appear to be help/is ignored.じんない 03:59, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

1) I didn't ignore you. Again, go ahead and re-read my reply. Seriously, now.

2) Do you realize the dispute had been over for months when you first posted in that article's talk page? Erigu (talk) 04:02, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

For the namespace, I think that is probably good, but I think when describing it, if they are released and shown to be noted by relaiable soruces by both, we should say that. That's what WP:NEUTRALITY says to do. In this case since both are used officially and commented by such sorces with the naming scheme, so they should be given the weight deserved.じんない 04:03, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Er... Come again? The "namespace"? What "namespace"? ^^;

Also, only some games have been capitalized as "Wild ARMs" for English language markets, whereas all games (except for one) have been capitalized as "Wild Arms" for English language markets. The specifics have been discussed to death on the talk page, but if you need a recap, I guess I could do that?

(also, did you re-read my reply? it would be nice if you could confirm that you were mistaken about me becoming "unicivil" to you and accusing you of sockpuppetry, really...) Erigu (talk) 04:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Jinnai. So, users have nothing to do with it? You know, this guy is really getting on my nerves. I read the discussion since the issue interests me. Looks like a lot of other people who showed an interest in it were banned because this guy can't support his claims with proof, so he instead attacks those who might prove to be a "threat". And who the heck is SyberiaWinx? I don't see anyone by that username involved in the discussion? And Wikipedia has no users with a name even remotely similiar to that. You should take a chill pill or something. And don't harass Jinnai for speaking up about something, either. There's no law that says you can't post on a talk page just because it's been empty for a while. TheBrokenSky (talk) 04:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Looks like a lot of other people who showed an interest in it were banned

Just you. Again and again and again.

who the heck is SyberiaWinx?

That would be you.

I don't see anyone by that username involved in the discussion?

Sure there is. Remember when you were trying to link to your Rule of Rose fansite? Yeah, that was a while ago.... That's the alias of the webmistress. Your alias. An alias that kept popping up again and again as you kept coming back with new socks.

don't harass Jinnai for speaking up about something, either. There's no law that says you can't post on a talk page just because it's been empty for a while.

There was no dispute anymore. That was my point. So I'm not sure what Jinnai is trying to "resolve", here.

Yeah, I know, you're trying to revive it, but hey. Abusing sockpuppets isn't going to help you with your case, really. Erigu (talk) 04:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

"namespace" is the article or section name. FE: Wild Arms (series) is the article's namespace and "Series devleopment" is a section namespace.

Even if it is only one that has it that way, it needs to be stated clearly within the article's body. Furthemore it does not matter what the company thinks except when there is some dispute. If official source reviewers refer to as one thing, we refer to it as that. They take precidence over official naming. When there is a dispute about naming, we generally use the official name. In this case it's going to be Wild Arms, but it must be clearly stated that not all games follow this model.じんない 04:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

(again, do we agree that I never accused you of sockpuppetry? ^^;)

"namespace" is the article or section name.

I see, thank you.

When there is a dispute about naming, we generally use the official name. In this case it's going to be Wild Arms, but it must be clearly stated that not all games follow this model.

Like I said, there's just one game (Wild Arms XF) that was never (as far as I know, anyway) capitalized as "Wild Arms" for the English language market... but yeah sure, I don't have a problem with mentioning that. In fact I was asking for feedback on that very issue when SyberiaWinx reappeared and derailed the whole thing once again.[3] Should we change the "namespace" of that one particular game, or keep it as "Wild Arms XF" for consistency's sake and mention the "Wild ARMs" capitalization in the article's body? Erigu (talk) 04:48, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Wow. You are really...messed up. I checked out this fansite, and there's no user named SyberiaWinx there, either. There's also about six admins, from the looks of the staff list. Seems to me like you're just looking for people outside of Wikipedia to attack, because they are not here to defend themselves. If you have some kind of personal issue with this girl, go take it up with her, and leave me out of it. There is a dispute over the title, and it was never resolved, because anyone who tries to support the opposing side gets harassed like this by you. It's really annoying. TheBrokenSky (talk) 04:26, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I checked out this fansite, and there's no user named SyberiaWinx there, either.

I wouldn't expect you to try very hard...[4]

If you have some kind of personal issue with this girl, go take it up with her, and leave me out of it.

Oh, Syb...

There is a dispute over the title, and it was never resolved, because anyone who tries to support the opposing side gets harassed like this by you.

You're the only one who keeps arguing. And the fact you're using blatant bad faith and sockpuppets pretty much means you'll never go anywhere. But you've been told as much already. Many times. Erigu (talk) 04:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean, Jinnai. The rules clearly state an exception with titles that contain acronyms, which is what we have here. Do you have an email you are willing to give out? I saw that Erigu seems to claim what XSEED has and has not said, so I'd like to forward you their email on title confirmation, if I still have it. TheBrokenSky (talk) 04:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The rules clearly state an exception with titles that contain acronyms, which is what we have here.

Not necessarily. Again, other publishers capitalize the title as "Wild Arms". And "Arms" could very well stand for the word "arms" (as in "weapons"), the plural of the acronym "ARM" and, in later works, the acronym "ARMS". Just because XSEED Games appears to favor the "Wild ARMs" capitalization, that doesn't necessarily makes all the other publishers wrong. But you know that already and don't care, obviously...

I'd like to forward you their email on title confirmation

Of course you would. And it would be so much better (but still irrelevant for Wikipedia, as emails can't be used as sources) if your supposed "emails" weren't your own fabrications. You've pulled that kind of act before.[5] Erigu (talk) 04:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

No, I am talking about the lead section. [6][7]. There's just 2 examples of reliable sources stating otherwise as well, though the former does use both Arms and ARMs. Remember, we use what reliable sources say at Wikipedia first, not what the company says.じんない 04:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The publishers aren't considered reliable sources? How does that work? ^^; Erigu (talk) 04:46, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Publishers are considered "too close" to the source. See WP:V and WP:RS for clarification. Basically they try to prmoote what they want promoted. The problems comes in especially for titles or other items that were translated. Talk:Roronoa Zoro has a great discussion as to why it is a problem to use go with what companies use and why Wikipedia considers publishers too close to the source.じんない 04:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the whole "promotion" angle completely irrelevant, here, though? I mean, we're talking about the title. It's not like it could be argued publishers might embellish stuff to sell their product regarding the title, right? ^__^; Erigu (talk) 04:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Not according to policy it isn't and that's what says what goes. If you feel it should be, then take it up at WP:V and WP:RS as to why the titles, primary sources should be best for games. As it stands now, the only real contention is that the lead does not mention that some reviewers and at least 1 game have referred to the game as Wild ARMs to satisfy neutrality.じんない 05:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Not according to policy it isn't and that's what says what goes.

'Sounds like an awfully literal interpretation of that guideline to me... ^^;;

If you feel it should be, then take it up at WP:V and WP:RS as to why the titles, primary sources should be best for games.

Well, not just for games... ^^;

By the way, you never replied... Do we agree that you were mistaken about me accusing you of sockpuppetry, ignoring you, being uncivil to you, etc? Erigu (talk) 05:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm just going to ignore Erigu from now on, since he's just sprouting nonsense. Jinnai, still, let me know if you want that email. It doesn't just confirm the title, it explains why it's capitalized that way and why "Wild Arms" can be found in places. The articles you provided were just typed up by people working for that site. They really know nothing official. Since the game logo is all-caps, it's not unnatural that they would wrongly assume the title to be "Wild Arms", and that's only worsened by the fact that's what's used in legal lines. If you have played the games, the title makes sense as "Wild ARMs". In the first game, for example, it refers to the backlash of ARMs that causes disasters and results in people looking upon the weapon as something evil. In the fourth one, it refers to both ARMs that have taken on the form of monsters, actually called "Wild ARMs" in the game context, and also the "Resistance Impulse". The latter is when a gun synchronises with it's new user, altering their genes. The process results in the gun going wild and causing damage to the surrounding area/people. And the WA5 site also confirmed the title as an acronym with a unique meaning in each game, as I recall. Referring to just weapons is wrong, and the unique meaning is lost with the title as "Wild Arms". And there is still the acronym rule, and the general consensus, which supports "Wild ARMs". I saw the discussion on the video games and series talk pages, and that's what seems to be the case. TheBrokenSky (talk) 05:09, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I saw the discussion on the video games and series talk pages

Yeah, you "saw" it. Right. Erigu (talk) 05:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Jinnai, with all this clutter, I stil am not sure of your answer. Should editors such as myself post something in the RfC area you created, or is this for staff only? TheBrokenSky (talk) 06:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

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Hi Jinnai, despite your spirited defense of this site, I am unconvinced. If there is anything that can be cited to the primary source, then it should be so.

1. 1 That is where the information is supposed to be from.
2. 2 It reduces the incidences where new editors mistake a "situational" source as totally reliable for any information.

Furthermore, as I have pointed out, CC is not just putting out simple copies of the game information; it is also synthesizing information from them in certain cases. There are also information cited to the site that does not seem to be possible from primary sources (such as the example I pointed out in the FAR). {{Cite video}} and {{cite episode}} exist to facilitate television, movies, and cut scenes. Specifically for video games, there is {{cite video game}}. Furthermore, {{cite book}} can be used for game manuals, including the liners and booklets that come with music CDs. There is no reason to cite a website of unknown quantity when the primary sources can be easily done so. Jappalang (talk) 06:08, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

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"See also" sections

Hey, you've re-added all the "See also" sections I've removed from the One Piece episode lists. As example you gave the Bleach episode lists. Did you notice, that more than half of those lists, the newer ones in particular, don't have such a section? More to the point, per WP:WIAFT 1. (c), navigational templates are the preferred way of interlinking. And considering the fact, that all links in the sections are also present in the {{One Piece}} template, aside from the link to the portal, which is mostly of an eye-candy nature anyways, those sections are in the literal sense of the word "redundant". However, aside from their redundancy, I can't think of a reason to remove those sections and I have no intention of edit warring about such a triviality. - So, here I am, asking: Do we really need those sections? -- Goodraise (talk) 06:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I noticed that after I added them all back. I still think a link to the portal is nice, but doesn't need to be in a see-also section.じんない 07:01, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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I realized that the lists were displayed in the box after i re-added the last one, so the 3 links can be removed. However, I still think the portal link should be placed there, though maybe not in a See also section if it's the only one.じんない 07:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I honestly have no idea where else that portal link could be placed. Isn't it enough that the portal is linked from the main page? -- Goodraise (talk) 10:44, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Possibly right above the box below the reference section? I think season episode lists should have it, but probably not the main list.じんない 21:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Your signature

If you don't mind the suggestion, I'd like to provide you with some code for improving your signature. The current code is

[[User:Jinnai|<span style="background:#00CCFF;color:"><font color="black" size="2px">じん</font>]][[User talk:Jinnai|<span style="background:#00CCFF;color:"><font color="red" size="2px">ない</font></font>]]

and my suggested, improved version is

<span style="background:#00CCFF;">[[User:Jinnai|<span style="color:black;">じん</span>]][[User talk:Jinnai|<span style="color:red;">ない</span>]]</span>

As you can see, the suggestion is much shorter, and the code is much cleaner (and also properly closes the tags ;) ), and it fixes an issue with the background carrying over to other lines (unless your intent was to also apply the background to the date, in which case you should either remove the last </span> and remember to insert it after the four tildes, or figure out how other people manage to include the date and time in the raw output field (I really can't help much with that, since I've never played with it much). 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 18:38, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and updated it. Thanks.じんない 19:01, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem, glad I could help (and feel free to ask if there's something else you'd like me to help with). ;) BTW, if I may ask, what does "じんない" mean? This computer doesn't support the characters, so I just see little boxes with hex numbers (Unicode points) in them. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 19:14, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

It's "Jinnai" written in hiragana. Weird that you have katakana, but not hiragana. :\ -- Goodraise (talk) 21:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Yea...Jinnai is a Japanese name, that's why. I thought about doing it in katakana, but decided not to. maybe if i redo it signifigantly I will.じんない 02:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

What I meant was: Dino's computer doesn't display hiragana, but since it's in his signature, it obviously displays katakana. Having only support for one of the two seems strange. -- Goodraise (talk) 02:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I don't have my own computer (if I did, it would support everything ;) ), and the one I posted my question on (and the one I'm using to write this) is a library computer, with almost no support for CJK characters whatsoever. Besides that, I can't read Japanese (not even kana), hence my question. I actually made my sig by copy-pasting from an article and asking another user for help. =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 19:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

MOMO and disagreeing

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Xenosaga

It looks like there may be too many characters to fit on a single character page. What about a "List of recurring characters" and then lists for each of the games? Otherwise, maybe minor characters should be cut per Wikipedia's notability guidelines. There is still too much plot summary though, it will take someone who's familiar with the series to delete that. Considering that much of it's already in the Xenosaga Wikia, it shouldn't be hard.--_{ZXCVBNM [TALK]} 02:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Well...i'm hesitant to split them up unless we can find enough information on those beyond the player characters. I don't know, beyond possibly Albedo, Nephlim and a few others if we could find information to pass the GNG. We have the same issue with List of One Piece characters. The main problem is the structure is bad. Fitting it into a protagonist/antagonist/other category or prumary/secondary/other category is the first step before we divide or whittled content.じんない 02:25, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

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I saw that you placed merge tags on the List of Zatch Bell! characters and List of Zatch Bell! minor characters articles. Could you please specify your reasons for a merge here? I'd appreciate it so I and other editors can hopefully contribute to the discussion. Thanks  AcroX  01:04, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Template:Popotan

Hey Jinnai, I just wanted to let you know that I cut almost everything from {{Popotan}}. We don't note such things as production studios, licensors, or voice actors in animanga navboxes, and unfortunately, after all that is cut out, it leaves a navbox with just four links in this case. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 18:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

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Something for you

		Working Man's Barnstar
		For tagging and assessing 800 articles in Tag & Assess 2008, by order of the coordinators I hereby present you with this Working Man's Barnstar. —G.A.Stalk 16:41, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

		Anime and manga service award
		For tagging and assessing 600 articles in Tag & Assess 2008, by order of the coordinators I hereby present you with this Service Award. —G.A.Stalk 16:41, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

As always, keep up the good work:) G.A.S^talk 16:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Debriefing

Hi Jinnai,

Thanks a lot for the feedback. With regard to the following:

FA/FL/GA

For the most part I only placed |attention=yes if I though that the article requires further work, though I did not expect these articles to be below par. If you can remember which articles were an issue, consider listing them at WP:ANIME/CLEANUP under the appropriate categories. Another option would be to ask user:Collectonian to review whether they are still up to par (she usually does this kind of thing).

Recent B-class assessment

If you can remember which article(s) were affected, please tell me, or relist it at WP:ANIME/ASSESS with details of your concerns. (Are the criteria too strict? or not?).

Rewards

I actually believe that this was the first T&A for everyone (including me). As for further rewards, just keep an eye on the backlog, or the requests for assessment. I notice these things:)

Regards, G.A.S^talk 09:14, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

For B-class, it was List of Sekirei episodes. While I might be willing to ignore the citations as it was only 1-2 places, the coverage and accuracy had a lot of the episodes of varying length and many of them far to short.じんない 18:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

You did the right thing there as the article is in fact C class (Decent structure; lacks Japanese chapter titles, release information, or references. and not Coherent structure, proper lead, well-referenced with no missing information), though many a FL has the same amount of citations... and many a FL has similar length summaries. I usually fail B3 if summaries are not the same length (FL criteria "Visual appeal" seems almost the same as "Structure").

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Rune Factory 2: A Fantasy Harvest Moon in WP:ANIME's scope

Hi Jinnai, regarding your revert of my removal of WP:ANIME's banner on Talk:Rune Factory 2: A Fantasy Harvest Moon, I can understand how you might feel that this would be in our scope, but it's been agreed that articles with only a paragraph or two covering an anime or manga series doesn't fall under our scope (the same way that an anime/manga article that has just a couple of paragraphs covering VG adaptations doesn't fall under WP:VG's scope). For an example, back in July, Mana (series), a featured article, was removed from our project because the article was mainly on the video game series, with only a small section discussing the manga adaptation (full disclosure: I was the one who originally brought up issue with the article, and the one who ultimately removed our banner from its talk page and delisted it from our project's front page - after the relevant discussions concluded, of course). You can read one of the relevant discussions (since it was actually split over several places, and this is the only one I could find) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Assessment/Archive 1#FA. However, I don't want to end up in an edit war with you, or otherwise have bad blood between us, so I'll wait for your reply before removing the banner again (and I'll probably refrain from that altogether, as well). BTW, I'd also like if you could post what you intended your full edit summary to be, since it got cut off. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 19:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

The other reason was that it centered around characters drawn in anime style as a central part of the game's design for character interaction, ie non-incidental.じんない 22:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

List of Popotan characters

Yes, I'm still working on it. The only issue I have is the prose, and I'm just trying to figure out how to word some sentences, especially this one: "When it was time for Mai to leave, Konami helped convince her that she was wrong and in consolation Mai left a sketch portrait Konami they were to make for a class assignment for Konami as a departing gift stating that they will remain friends forever, even if they never see each other again." This one is a little tricky because normally repeating the proper noun should be avoided, but if we substitute "she" or "her" in some places, it might be a little confusing since they're both females. I'll make any edits that I think should be straightforward, but I'll post anything I'm unclear on in the PR. Ink Runner (talk) 19:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Yea, right off the bat, I can see a few basic problems that might be causing you problems. It should read (without any additional copyediting obviously):

When it was time for Mai to leave, Konami helped convince Mai that she was wrong and in consolation Konami left a sketch portrait of Mai they were to make she made for a class assignment for Konami as a departing gift stating that they will remain friends forever, even if they never see each other again.

じんない 20:41, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I had quite a bit of English work recently, so sorry for the slow pace. I should be resuming editing shortly. Ink Runner (talk) 00:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

List of Popotan episodes FLC

The FLC has been archived, I would advise you to resolve these issues with Rambo's Revenge before FLC and then renominate. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:22, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

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Popotan GAN

I did a GA review of Popotan, which is transcluded onto Talk:Popotan. I have placed it on hold until improvements can be made. It initially looks good, however. I tried to be as comprehensive as I could on it, this being my very first GA review. Hope it's OK. Thanks, MuZemike 19:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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re revert to List of Popotan episodes

What do you mean by "italics within italics"? As it stands now, the titles are bolded and within single-quotes, which is inappropriate per WP:BOLDFACE and incorrect per WP:MOS-T; if the intent is to nullify the italicization, that is also incorrect per MOS-T, as titles of DVDs should be italicized. —tan³ tx 08:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I see what you mean by italics within italics, but I do not believe this is a case where it is to be used. The DVD titles are of the form Title: Subtitle and not Work: Work About the Work—see Madlax (refs 11, 13 et al.) and Cannibal Holocaust (ref 25), for example. —tan³ tx 09:25, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

So wait, what's the problem here then? If it should be (for example) Popotan: Vanishing House why did you revert me when I made it like that as opposed to 'Popotan: Vanishing House'? —tan³ tx 09:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's only necessary for {{Cite DVD-notes}}, because that template includes italic formatting. (Which is all my edit was, by the way...) —tan³ tx 09:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

(While I'm on the subject, Japanese script should never be italicized, per Wikipedia:ITALIC#Foreign terms.) —tan³ tx 09:39, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

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Re: TOC limit

But that's not always necessary, as in this case where the markup I used made no change in the size of the header, just with a lack of [edit] icon on the left. I'd say if a page has sections that are that specific, it'd be better to remove the headers in lieu of what I did.--十八 09:17, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

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Reverted Popotan box cover MuZemike 19:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

...and uploaded 300px version of screenshot. MuZemike 01:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Chrono Trigger

I finally have free time, so I'll be fixing up the article. The Compendium found a great translator for the last few months, and she's translated a few important materials concerning the game's development. Anyhow, I'll also be adding back a couple references and related information there were wrongly removed (I noticed that Deckiller took out information taken from a Yasunori Mitsuda interview simply because someone removed the PalGCN cite and replaced it with a fact tag). I see the rhetoric against fan sites has been toughened up at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources, but I'm confident I could win each reference case-by-case, simply because to remove these materials would sacrifice the comprehensiveness of the article. ZeaLitY [ DREAM - REFLECT ] 22:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, yes, sorry for not replying; I've been busy with the article. I replaced some prerelease cites with citations for the actual game, with an in-line link to the Compendium (which is unnamed). I'm now adding some excellent development information.

I personally run the Chrono Compendium, and I've (for better or worse since it takes so much free time) been at the center of the Chrono series fan community since 2003. I can answer any questions. ZeaLitY [ DREAM - REFLECT ] 05:52, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't aware they review sites, wow...do you have any tips for getting it reviewed? ZeaLitY [ DREAM - REFLECT ] 07:01, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Just ask the staff. Yours would be listed as a feature or other similar article so it's more open to whether they want to or not. I'd say point out what makes your site compelling and unique - the encyclopedia FE, commentary you've translated, etc. as well as pointing out the relevancy since CT was released only a few months ago (or less, ie February, in Europe) for the DS.じんない 07:14, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

ANN reviews

I disagree - I've started up a topic here to get more feedback. --Malkinann (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

For your work on List of Popotan episodes...

		The Manga and Anime BarnSakura Award
		I hereby award you the Anime and Manga BarnSakura for your excellent work on List of Popotan episodes. Congratulations! — G.A.Stalk 04:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks.じんない 14:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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