Jkrdsr

re: Korean Language (Interrogative vs. Imperative)

Hi, I think you'd want to look at those links you provided, if they explain what interrogatives and imperatives are. The sentence at the Korean language article was plainly a question, therefore an interrogative. It's just a coincidence that it looks like an imperative. --Kjoonlee 15:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I've had a look, and they explain different speech levels. If the paper on interrogatives had been covering the same speech level as “하세요!”, then it would mentioned “하세요?” as an interrogative. If you're still not convinced, remember that “안녕하세요?” is an interrogative greeting that ends with “-세요” but it still isn't an imperative. Thank you. --Kjoonlee 16:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

A Korean interrogative must have a wh-word (누구, 어떻게, 왜, 뭣, etc.).Jkrdsr 17:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

This is simply not true. Questions that can be answered with a yes/no do not need question words. Also, think of *“안녕하십시오!” vs. “안녕하십니까?”. The latter is the greeting, and it is definitely a yes/no question, therefore an interrogative. *안녕하십시오! is the imperative, and there's no coincidence here. --Kjoonlee 18:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

“하세요!” & “하세요?”, in Korean are the same structurally.

Although they are made of the same phonemes, their syntactic structure couldn't be any more different. Compare 안녕하십시오! vs 안녕하십니까? again.. I'm telling you again, 하세요 is just a coincidence.. Ask at Talk:Korean language if you like. --Kjoonlee 18:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Sigh.. intonation is not phonemic. Intonation is not segmental. Intonation is suprasegmental. And I said that 하세요! and 하세요? are very very different, not the same. You were the one who said that 하세요! and 하세요? were the same. --Kjoonlee 18:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, please note that there are two kinds of questions. Wh-questions and yes/no-questions. You seem to be unaware of what yes/no-questions look like in Korean. Aren't yes/no-questions also quesions? 제 말 아시겠습니까..? Do you understand what I'm saying..? --Kjoonlee 18:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

You said that languages are never a coincidence, but they are all full of coincidences. Just look at false friend and false cognate. --Kjoonlee 18:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

re: "Sounds - Korean doesn't have syllable-final flaps" - Kjoonlee

It is also arguable that writing that final ㄹ as an L or even an R does not avoid representing it as a non-"syllable-final flap".Jkrdsr 08:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, writing syllable-final ㄹ as [l] makes sense, since syllable-final consonants have the articulators staying in touch until voicing ends, kind of like how unreleased stops work. Keep in mind that [r] is a trill, and [ɾ] is a tap; neither have the articulators staying in full contact with each other. We are dealing with phonetic transcriptions in square brackets, and what I have described are actual speech phenomena; they are consistent.

I have trouble parsing what you mean, but we do avoid representing the ㄹ in 알람 as a syllable-final flap by writing it as [l]. --Kjoonlee 16:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

If you are a native speaker, 랄 for example, the initial and final are the same, obviously.

This is simply not true, because I'm a native speaker and 랄 in my case is [ɾal]. I use the same [ɾ] as when I say “어라라”, even syllable-initially. Several other people in my phonetics class also used the same allophone. I'd say it's trivially observable, once you are familiar with articulatory phonetics. People who aren't familiar with phonetics, especially native speakers will have a hard time differentiating allophones. Maybe you've fallen into that trap? --Kjoonlee 18:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

My only argument is that when you say any Korean word that ends or begins with a ㄴ,ㄷ,ㅌ,ㄹ, your tongue must touch the back of your upper front teeth.

Sorry for nitpicking again, but some people pronounce “밭에” with an interdental [t̪] instead of just a dental [t̪] and I've never seen anyone with a dental ㄹ. --Kjoonlee 18:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Proof

1. informal
   • imp. 가! 가라!
   • int. 가? 가니? 가냐?
2. slightly formal
   • imp. 가요! 가세요!
   • int. 가요? 가세요?
3. formal
   • imp. 가십시오!
   • int. 가십니까?
4. old-fashioned
   • imp. 가게!
   • int. 가나?
5. old-fashioned 2
   • imp. 가시게!
   • int. 가시나?
6. old-fashioned 3
   • imp. 가거라!
   • int. 가느냐?
7. archaic
   • imp. 가시옵소서!
   • int. 가시옵나이까?

The fact that 가, 가요, 가세요 overlap is a coincidence. All the others are different. --Kjoonlee 18:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

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