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Request for Mediation

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Thresing board

Hola Joe Mabel:

Soy el autor del artículo original es:trillo (agricultura). ¡Gracias por la traducción!, pero es muy complicada debido a la gran cantidad de terminos agrícolas en desuso, no hablo muy bien el inglés, pero si puedo ser útil en algo avisadme.

Un saludo--Locutus Borg File:Logo-Borg.gif, Talk to me 06:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Muchos términos son desconocidos para los españoles incluso, pues el trillo dejó de usarse hace mucho tiempo y luego está la gacería, pero si hacéis las cosas tan bien como me imagino y si sois tan rápidos contestando a los mensajes, seguro que tendréis éxito. ¡Ánimo!--Locutus Borg File:Logo-Borg.gif, Talk to me 06:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Council of 500

Hi Joe -- at first glance the part dealing with Ancient Athens looks right, but what I expected to read about was one of the political upheavals that Athens underwent towards the end of the Pelopennesian War. I think it's significant that none of the articles linking to it have anything to do with ancient Athens. If you aren't in a hurry to deal with this article, I can do some further research when I'm home tonight. (I'm currently sitting in a potential juror's room at the courthouse.) -- llywrch 17:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I've had a chance to look a little more into this, & discovered that I had confused the Athenian "Council of Five Hundred" with the Council of the Four Hundred, which ruled Athens for 4 months in 411 BC. What makes this even more tangled, from a Wikipedia point of view, is that while that article is a redirect to Boule (ancient Greece), there is also The Four Hundred (oligarchy), an unmarked stub on this subject.

But back to the older Council. My copy of the Oxford Classical Dictionary lacks an entry on this form of the Athenian Boule, and although Raphael Sealey's A history of the Greek City State (Berkeley: University of California, 1976) mentions it several times, it doesn't appear to have any importance on its own. In other words, I'd merge that part of the article into Boule (ancient Greece) & use the "For" template to direct readers looking for that material. (FWIW, I didn't get picked for a jury panel & they let the rest of go home at noon today.) -- llywrch 01:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if it's more accurate to say that I'm a "non-juring Wikipedian" or a "Wikipedian who has fulfilled his civic duties". You're welcome to put any label on it you want -- I'm just glad the tedium is over. :-) -- llywrch 01:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Your views please

Hi Joe: I have just contacted new User:Chavatshimshon who has made some big moves in long-standing articles about Jewish topics. Please read what I wrote to him and add your expertise and intervention. Thank you. IZAK 08:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

STOP your changes NOW!

Dear Chavatshimshon: Welcome, and thank you for contacting me. Regarding your changes @ Chavatshimshon edits Please do not make any more changes or moves to Jewish articles. You are too new to Wikipedia. You are not even reverting articles correctly (by creating multiple double reverts). You are also creating duplicate articles of existing articles, which creates even more problems. The articles you are fiddling around with have been worked on for many years. You cannot move and change these articles without discussing it with the nearly one hundred known members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism; Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish history; Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish culture and others. I am going to ask some experienced editors, who are also admins, to examine your recent changes and to revert your moves until we can get some better idea of what it is that you are doing, and if it is going to help the Jewish and Judaism articles on Wikipedia. Stay tuned. This message is being shared with User:Jmabel; User:Jayjg; User:Jfdwolff; User:TShilo12 and User:Humus sapiens. Thank you. IZAK 08:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject: "Just do it?"

Hi Jmabel,

I've been working on a WikiProject:

• Project proposal
• WikiProject endangered languages (and language revitalization)

I posted something about it on the talk page of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Languages & no one responded; posted something about it on the Wikipedia:WikiProject/List of proposed projects and no one responded. Two or three people told me on their Talk pages they'd be willing to join (but they haven't signed up). One person actually signed up on the /Members page in my user space...

Should I just start the project? Wait for more support? Try to drum up more support? Or, something else?

Thanks --Ling.Nut 10:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! --Ling.Nut 23:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Translation request

I was wondering if I might be able to bother you again with a translation request - I'm translating de:Palais Strousberg. In the Edgeschoss paragraph it says:-

"Oberhalb der kleinen, niedrigen Fenster der Wirtschaftsräume im Kellergeschoss verbanden große, über drei Meter hohe Fenster im Vorzimmer des großen Festsaales, im großen Festsaal und in der Gemäldegalerie die Gesellschaftsräume optisch mit den Gartenanlagen im großen Hof, dessen Fassaden korinthische Säulen unter einem Architrav gliederten"

I'm struggling with Wirtschaftsräume - could this be an Accounts room or is it just the servant's work rooms?
I'm guessing it translated as something like "Above the small, low windows of the accounts room in the basement, large windows (over 3 metres high) optically connected the anteroom of the great festival room, the picture gallery, the festival room and lounges, with the plants and garden in the courtyard. The facade to this courtyard was arranged with corinthian columns united under an architrave. Schöned dank. --Mcginnly | Natter 12:33, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Out of my depth here. You should ask a native German speaker what it would mean in this context. - Jmabel | Talk 19:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I am a native speaker of the German language, and I can tell you one thing, my friend: "Wirtschaftsräume" doesn't mean something like "accounts room", it has a more difficult explanation; something like "restaurant" or "tavern". Do you know, what "Gaststätte" means in German? That's your word. Please contact me, if I could help you! --Pletet 15:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks, I'm aware of the restaurant/tavern sense, but I believe there's another sense, like "utility room or just workroom". gruss. --Mcginnly | Natter 18:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

World Jewry Category

What?!?! The word "Jewry" excludes secular Jews, and non-Orthodox Jews!? So you are saying Jewry refers to religious Jews?! Chavatshimshon 21:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal

Hi Joe: Care to comment? Please see: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-11-17 Religious opposition to same-sex marriage in South Africa. Thank you. IZAK 12:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Karagoz

Although I'm not sure, I really don't think it's a kind of shadow theatre as Karagoz reminds me more of puppets.--Quinlan Vos 20:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Is it notable enough to mention in there that it is the source of the Romanian word caraghios? Dahn 20:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Certainly worth a mention in the Romanian Wikipedia. I'm not sure many English-speakers would care. - Jmabel | Talk 20:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Article histories

Please note that when I tagged that article, it was done with a semi-automated tool WP:AWB, and that I was processing several hundred articles at the time, from the list at Special:Uncategorizedpages. Sometimes, yes, I may spot an obvious "real" article go by, and I can backtrack and check the history and rollback to an earlier version. Other times I just let the macros run, and at least the {{uncat}} tag is a flag to the normal editors of that page that something more serious may be going on. :) --Elonka 20:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Translation

Hello, Mr. Mabel!

As you may know, a new version of the Translation project is being created; it is at the link above.

I am translating the project, which is almost finished, while Jean-Michel Fayard takes care of the technical side. We see that you are one of the users most involved with the current Translation pages. We would love to hear from you and what you think of the project. If you have any comments or advice on what to add or remove, they would be very welcome, as you know more about the ins and outs of the English-language Wikipedia than we do.

Jean-Michel and others created this project first for the French-language Wikipedia, where translations from other Wikipedias are very common, so much so that the translation project was becoming disorganised and was confusing to use for many people because of the many steps to take and the subpages involved. They streamlined it, making the project clearer and neater. (The original project can be found here: fr:Projet:Traduction.) Hopefully, people will see the project on the English Wikipedia and translate it into their own language.

Feel free to poke around. As I said, if you have any questions or comments, no matter how minor, please contact me or Jean-Michel on the project's talkpage. We would be happy to explain the project to you and anyone else you think would be interested.

Happy editing!

Marialadouce | parlami 21:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

My answer is in the project talk page. Jmfayard 17:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Article Titles

Hi, Jmabel, I hate to bother you with something that is probably explained somewhere, but I have looked and simply can't find it.

I have run into a number of article titles that have a mistake in them, usually a misspelling or transcription of a foreign name. One I just ran into is Artabasdos, which is a mistake for Artavasdos. The error in this case is the back-formation of a "b" from the assumption that a transcription with a "v" is a phonetic transcription of the post-Classical pronunciation of Greek beta (this is easy to spot in Russian transcriptions of Greek, which normally have the later pronuncition, such as 'Vizantinskij' for English 'Byzantine'). But this Byzantine-era name was not written with a beta to begin with (unlike the name Byzantium), as you can see from the Greek that is actually given in the article. In most historical works on Byzantine history it is spelled "Artavasdos". So the "Artabasdos" (etc.) spelling is a mistake. I added the form "Artavasdos" at the beginning of the article, but of course the article name itself should be fixed, and along with it the links to it. Another example is the article title Japonic languages, which reflects the peculiar, non-linguistic views of one faction in the rather contentious (and often unprofessional) field of Japanese-area historical linguistics. A neutral title for the article would be Japanese-Ryukyuan languages (or the like), which is used by some scholars who don't have a bone to pick here, because the family has two equivalent (same level node) branches, the Japanese branch and the Ryukyuan branch. (Two of my Japanese colleagues in Japan prefer the even less Japanocentric 'Loochooan' spelling or something similar instead of 'Ryukyuan', which has become the usual spelling in English among linguists.) There are some other examples, which as I recall are even worse, but which for the moment escape me. For some time I have been adding comments on the title to the 'Talk' page for several such articles, or to my comments in the 'Edit Summary' line, but notice no one fixes them or responds; I guess I must be doing something wrong. So, my question is, how do I fix article titles? Or, how do I signal an error like this so it will get fixed?

Best wishes, Chris Chris B 22:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I've followed up on Chris's page, explaining about page moves. - Jmabel | Talk 19:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

From spanish wikipedia

The article Aarón González is ready to be deleted in the spanish wikipedia because the Quake & Kaik and related articles are not real information or original reserch or something that I can't say in english :P then I was wondering if you can watch that article cause I'm not enough good in english and I don't know about the deletion policy in english wikipedia. bye Chien-A 04:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I've started the appropriate AFDs - Jmabel | Talk 19:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding block of 208.108.91.156 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

I noticed you recently indefinitely blocked an IP address indefinitely after only one prior block. This is generally not a good thing, my understanding is that blocks go: a few hours, a few days, a week, a month, a few months, a year, and then indefinite. Note this is different to user accounts, which can be blocked indefinitely after only a few edits, or before any at all. Is there any particular reason for the block to be of this length, or should a one month block be enough to suffice in this instance? Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 09:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

fair use again

Hey, in light of our earlier conversation, I thought I might direct your attention towards Wikipedia talk:Fair use. In case you haven't seen it, and purposefully ignored it (an entirely justifiable decision), there's been some proposal to change Fair use criterion #1 to make it so that non-free/fair use images are only to be removed if a free replacement has already been created. I'm not sure the proposal would solve all problems with current policy, but what it has done is brought out a substantial group of people opposed to the current policy. Anyway, just thought I'd point it out to you, in case you wanted to comment. I doubt anything will come of this particular proposal, but anything that exposes the lack of consensus behind the current policy is, I think, a good thing. john k 13:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

IP block (as per WP:AIV talk page)

I personally think that one should never block IP addresses indefinitely, and so I will tend to give harsh blocks to repeat offenders (6+ months for some bad vandals). The guy you blocked was only blocked once before, and I felt you were a bit harsh on the guy. I'm tweaking the block to one week. That okay with you? Nishkid64 00:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that given the nature of his vandalism, one week is very short, but, as I said, if you are the one willing to keep an eye on him, do what you please. My tendency is to give long blocks to vandalism-only accounts and vandalism-only IP addresses: I've almost never seen one come back and do good things; in the rare event that someone wants to do something constructive from such an IP, I'd expect them to call for administrator attention. - Jmabel | Talk 00:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, that user is on my watchlist now, and I will look over them. My philosophy is that we try to promote editing activity by anons and users alike. I feel that blocking anon IP's really isn't justified, as it may be a household computer, and one person in the family might be vandalizing, while another might actually want to contribute. Not everyone is so technologically advanced to realize that they could ask an admin for help. To prevent these situations from ever occurring, I tend to go with long-term blocks instead of indefinite blocks. Nishkid64 00:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Just responded to your note on bullets

Hi Joe, I responded here. Regards, Noroton 18:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Macedonio Fernandez

Hi J! Could you take a look at the recent edits to Macedonio Fernandez? It's really not my topic (do I actually have one?), and wouldn't like to loose (potentially) valuable information from an anon editor. Thanks a lot, Mariano(t/c) 11:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I though a vandal wouldn't make the effort to write something like that. Thanks a lot for giving it an eye and formating it! Mariano(t/c) 07:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Just a quick note on columns with divs. That handy struct currently works only with Firefox/Mozila (see Template:Reflist#Multiple columns). Good wiking, Mariano(t/c) 10:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Vico

Joe, it looked like a title page to me too, because the page looks like paper, is stamped, and other reasons too, but I went with cover because the image file said it is the copertina, and it is categorized at the Commons as a book cover. I was thinking about it because I really liked your recent talkpage comment there, I'd like to see what you add along those lines. That is one of those books that I've read but was way over my head, I'll read it again in a few years though - probably heard of it from a friend who is doing a Ph.D in Italian Language. On the subject of Italian lit., what do you think of this User:DVD R W/Il sistema periodico? DVD+ R/W 18:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Romanians, again Mikkalai

In principle, there could at some future time this anti-romanian campaign be stopped. However, it appears that this has been almost entirely an effort to create a POV fork and avoid consensus on issues in the Romanians's article. Mikkalai and Khoikhoi, in particular, has been a POV warrior of the most recalcitrant sort on Romanian issues in the English-language Wikipedia, grasping at straws, constantly citing discredited Soviet-era scholarship, and ignoring clear consensus. The effort to establish a consensus speaks for itself. In short, I support having 34 millions romanians because of what it is in practice; I'd be open to a petition in the future to re-open it if there were an appropriate set of people behind it who I believed were attempting an NPOV project instead of an actively POV one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.243.91.130 (talk • contribs) 21 November 2006.

Last time someone wished to have 34 million Romanians, he started a fertility program. As I remember, it didn't go too well.

For what it's worth: I think that the exclusion of Moldovans from the count of Romanians is misguided. Someone looking for a "number of Romanians" (in the ethnic sense of that term) presumably means all Daco-Romanians; they might even mean Aromanians, etc., as well. But 34 million is ridiculous, about 8 million more than the absolutely highest vaguely credible number I've seen. Among other things, it seems to be based on claims like there being a million ethnic Romanians each in Spain, Italy, etc., without this somehow diminishing the number in Romania itself.

If you feel that Mikkalai and Khoikhoi are using an illicit approach to this, I suggest that you start an RFC. My talk page is no place to settle the matter. - Jmabel | Talk 18:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Lehi (group)

Hi. Thanks for helping with this article. However, I want to point out that the book of Moshe Shamir which Amoruso wants to quote in several places is a novel, and is identified as a novel even on the cover of the book. This clearly rules it out as a historical source. The fact that the author is an ideologue of the extreme right doesn't help, but the case for exclusion on the basis of being an admitted piece of fiction doesn't need that observation. Regards. --Zero^talk 11:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Commons Image:D'Annunzio in Fiume.jpg

Hi, you asked on my commons talk regarding the deletion of this image. The deletion rationale was simple enough, the image had no information on the source - it was copied from an image on gl.wikipedia but has no real source there. Without a source its copyright status is unfortunately unknown. If the photo was taken by a private individual it is almost certainly still in copyright, as life of author plus 70 years is likely to still be in copyright for a 20s image. If you know the source of course tell me :)

The reason for replying here is so you get the reply sooner and to give you some extra info. There have been a few changes to the Commons preferences recently which you may find useful. You can now set it to email you if your Commons talk page gets edited or a page on your watchlist is edited, might be helpful to you.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Cfd

Hi Joe: See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 23#Category:Anti-Semitic people. Thanks. IZAK 11:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

mass page moves

Someone is wanting to move several pages from "AAA people" to "AAAs". He/she created a new subpage of WikiProject Ethnic groups for a survey: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Renaming survey.

• --Ling.Nut 11:54, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

VoiceXML and WP External Links comments

Hi Jmabel. I went ahead and responded to your comments on Wikipedia talk:External links. Bottom line, your arguments are well stated for keeping this link and I don't object - just thought it should have been addressed first on the Talk:VoiceXML page. I think we both are in agreement that this is a valuable article and should be kept to the highest standards. Thanks for keeping this a productive discussion and best wishes. Calltech 15:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Votestacking

Have you examined that IP's edits? Regardless of staking or not that IP was spamming in a disruptive manner. (→Netscott) 22:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

No I have not been involved with the CfD at all....I just picked up on the anon IPs spamming and reverted accordingly. The IP has been blocked now. (→Netscott) 22:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Blanket spamming (particulary for XfD discussions) is highly frowned upon. This user was continuing to canvass for votes and was again blocked by User:Jayjg no less. I'm not sure what the issue is here? (→Netscott) 22:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Jmabel, I encourage you to make a posting to WP:AN or WP:ANI about this. I honestly don't see this as being an issue (and given the above blockings I'm not the only one who shares this view). Out of respect for you I'll be sure to avoid reverting your talk page given similiar circumstances in the future. (→Netscott) 22:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

That is an interesting question because it centers upon the concept of "meatpuppetry".... if a user is going down a long list of users and blindly one by one posting a call to vote as this user was doing then I see a problem but if the user is contacting other editors with whom they work with on occassion then I don't see a problem. This later part is how I would describe User:IZAK's pattern duringn the period of his edits where he contacted you. (→Netscott) 22:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I'll admit that I'm just generally anti-spamming particularly when it comes to XfD discussions. The average Wikipedia editor/admin doesn't have the time nor information to quickly determine if general canvassing is being done or targetted (stacking) canvassing when spamming does occur. I say err on the side of caution and block, particularly if the spammer is a sockpuppet/new account anon (as this clearly was). Do note that I have a bit of history pursuing Wikipedia votestack spammers. (→Netscott) 23:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

table format changed!

Hey jmabel,

Look at the sidebar of the project page for Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups. The statistics table has a new, wider format, that has kinda hosed the layout within the sidebar (I looked at it in both Firefox and MSIE; both look bad)....--Ling.Nut 02:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

So let's take it out of the sidebar, and put it in the page directly. - Jmabel | Talk 02:28, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool, if you wanna move it, go for it.

Just to see what's up, I made an inquiry about it here. It's at the bottom of a longish page; may take a while to get to the correct subheading..

--Ling.Nut 02:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Carxe

Hi Jmabel. I was looking at the Carxe article today and, well, the Catalan speaking world template is, to me, out of place there in its present form. I would go and leave only the language proper part and the ones of the Generalitat Valenciana and Land of Valencia: I just can't see what Counts of Barcelona, History of Catalonia or Politics of Catalonia (just to mention some of them) have to do with this tiny territory which has not even been a part of the Kingdom of Valencia ¿?

In general, if you think it over, the whole article is kind of weird. I mean, why does this tiny area with a population of some 600 elderly people has its own article in en.wikipedia? obviously because some of these speak Valencian. Curiously enough, these Carxe guys do not have the slightest idea of how "important" they are supposed to be because of the fact that some of them speak Valencian, but it is more some sort of a latter day myth created and embraced by some Catalan nationalists (a minority of them, because the majority of them have other much more practical issues to care about). But, is this relevant enough for this kind of encyclopaedia? It may be for the nationalists as it has a certain emotional value to them, but...Don't get me wrong: the article looks fine to me and I don't have any issue with it whatsover other than the template thing.

The same thing you will find in the Alguer article (and I guess so many others). It's only three or four lines and, boom, you got it: "a minority of people speak a Catalan dialect". It does not even bother to mention that the majoritary language is Italian, it is quite partial to the Catalan. I understand this is a say emotional question to Catalan nationalism but, does this -the fact that Catalan nationalism regards it this way- justifies this approach in en.wikipedia?

Again, like with El Carxe, I have no problem at all with the Alguer article, but both articles (like so many others related to Spain) have a nationalist bias which is noteworthy and, maybe, should be trimmed in the en.wikipedia if we wanted to be more aseptic.

Anyway, my inquiry is about the template in Carxe (and I'm guessing in so many other articles about Valencian or Balearic stuff)...would you agree if I "tailor" it in order to make the template more consistent with the article? i.e. not displaying stuff which actually does not have anything to do with El Carxe, like Catalan politics and else.

Mountolive 04:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Plenty of places this small have Wikipedia articles. The notability threshold for places is extremely low.

It's not surprising that Catalanists are the main people interested in these two topics: it is the main notability of the Carxe, and one of the more notable things about Alguer, the only place this far east where a present-day dialect bears witness to the past Iberian domination of the Mediterranean. It's as if they still spoke an Italian dialect in Dubrovnik.

We don't usually concern ourselves to mention that the natives of a given place speak the majority language of a state or region; that tends to be presumed. It is the exceptions that are notable.

That said, it is fine with me if you want either (1) to subst the template in those two articles and edit accordingly, (2) to create a second, smaller template for where only the linguistic aspects are relevant or (3) to paramaterize the template so that there is a way to make it show only the linguistic aspects in certain transclusions. - Jmabel | Talk 04:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I guess it makes sense what you say about Alguer and the testimonial value of Catalan there. I would not be so sure about the pressumption of the main language...imagine that some redneck in southern Georgia recieves a postcard from his daughter who claims to be in Alghero and he -if he knew what is internet about, let alone wikipedia- wanted to check it using the computer they have at the Church and guided by the priest to wikipedia he might be left with the feeling that 20% of the population speak Catalan (first time he hears about this language :), and the rest have a minor command of it but..no word of Italian whatsoever. Then when her sister comes back with someone called Lucca, all the Catalan courses he has taken are worth nothin' :D I mean, as you say, exceptions are which make the case, but, sometimes, we maybe let them rule too far. I mean, Alguer is known for this Catalan dialect but not everyone may be interested in dialectology as we are and may be looking for info on Alguer as a city by its own right. There is that info anyways, but, as I said, there is also a certain bias in this kind of articles. Anyway, we have much greater problem than this one, I know...so never mind.

That said, again, I guess your comments above make sense.

As for the template, well, I'm pretty much like the redneck and I have serious handicaps at the time of working on templates (erasing is the easiest, as usual :) and uploading images. Still, I think that (3) is a good option.

Thanks Mountolive 03:09, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Jmabel, I'm sorry to bother, but I need your help: I edit the Carxe Catalan-speaking territories as discussed above and now I notice that, apparently, by doing this, I have changed all templates appearing in all articles, which is obviously not correct (for some articles the original template is perfectly fine). Would you please revert that or let me know how to do it myself? As I said, I am a templates dummy or something...Thank you and I apologise again. Mountolive 20:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Again, I am sorry. I just thought that templates could be "customized" article by article but, as you say, that's the point of templates, that they are standard. Thanks again. Mountolive 21:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The new template looks perfect to me. Thank you and I again I apologise for giving you extra work (man, I see your talk page and I see you really devote a fair amount of time here, mostly undoing troubles: congratulations).

Actually I am now worried about complains from Catalanist users; I hope this edit is not starting a new case. As for customizing the template, well, if I can't manage with the easier stuff, go imagine what could I do with such technique only mastered by a few skilled ones!

If you start getting complains about the new template, please let me know and I should explain my reasons to change this one. If the issue got nasty I guess I don't have a problem to go back to the previous template, even in articles where it is obviously out of place like Carxe and, in general, those covered by the Països Catalans stuff.Mountolive 21:20, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorin Cerin deleted again?

Why?

• Apparently, from the logs, because it was a deleted article recreated without discussion. Once an article has been deleted, unless it has been deleted specifically without prejudice against future re-creation, one has to go through Wikipedia:Deletion review and get active agreement that circumstances have changed and it is now legitimate to re-create the article. - Jmabel | Talk 18:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Blanked user pages

I'd like to thank you on behalf of myself and other users for restoring blanked user pages and blocking the offending urchin for a month. Cheers, Skyemoor 18:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome, but apparently he knows how to keep changing IP addresses & doing this repeatedly. - Jmabel | Talk 18:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

"doesn't speak good English" on a list of sytematic biases...?

Hi jmabel,

I could swear I thought I saw you post something somewhere, perhaps a while back, about there being a list of biases towards contributors on Wikipedia, among which was "doesn't speak good English." Can you point that out to me?

Thanks --Ling.Nut 21:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you have that almost exactly backward. Answered in detail at User talk:Ling.Nut. - Jmabel | Talk 22:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Ochs

Hi Joe - wondering if you saw my note to you on Talk: Phil Ochs - would like to know what you think about the point I'm raising. ThanksTvoz 23:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for pinging, answered at Talk: Phil Ochs. - Jmabel | Talk 00:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. (By the way, I grew up on the same music you did, at about the same time - I've enjoyed reading your posts on various old folkie articles.) Tvoz 00:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Pretty eclectic, Joe! It was the folk stuff that I had noticed - maybe on Pete Seeger? Always good to meet a fellow traveler, pardon the reference...Tvoz 05:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

B. Mitchell Reed and the WMCA Goood Guys

By the way - are you talking about B. Mitchell Reed WMCA or Alex Bennett WMCA? (And why doesn't BMR have an article??)Tvoz 05:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

B. Mitchell Reed for example (gee hope this doesn't violate the almighty WP:EL) was one of the wmca Good Guys - night show, opposite Murray the K and (I think) Cousin Brucie on the other top 40 NY stations of the 60s. I'm talking early 60s, so shouldn't be before your time, which I gather was starting sometime in the 50s NYC as was mine - Bronx for me. As for BMR, as he was known - I could even give you a rendition of his theme song, which began
Listen to..(listen to)
the Mitchell Reed Show...
Play the hits.. (play the hits)
and oldies we know...
Brought to you.. (brought to you)
on W M C A etc

And - a question about your Century of Songs (brilliant idea, by the way) - would you have included a song that has a year in its title (referring to an event of that year) but no mention of the year in the lyrics themselves? I know you're full-up, but just curious. Tvoz 15:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

As for Alex Bennett - if you wanna know the truth, I thought he was an asshole then and I think he's still an asshole - faux left politics, never convinced me. He shows up on one of the cable news shows now (maybe Joe Scarborough, Iforget) from time to time.

Thanks

Thanks for reverting up those untrue stupiditys made by likely the same person under different IP addresses. I've put my talk page under request for semi-protection due to concerns of harassment here. I'm also concern this could be the same person then User:64.235.216.166 who've vandalized my user page earlier this week.--JForget 23:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Sex Pistols citations

Hey Joe, I've searched about for the microfiche source you mentioned on Sex Pistols talk, but I havent yet found a searchable version of it. There's no reason to believe that a copywright vio site would doctor text to suit a paticular POV (they could'nt be bothered, i reckon), and those refs are probabbly sound, even without out the citeweb tag. Still sounds like a great resource, access would be great, if you could point me in the right direction. Take care. - Coil00 00:41, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Replied at Coil00 - Jmabel | Talk 00:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. My openion is that it's valid to reinstiate thoese refs without the hyperlinks. Your 'poor approach' comment on talk struck a cord, I tought it was an unnecessarily quick approcah, esp. for a FA. - Coil00 01:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism revert

You are very welcome. Best, Gwernol 22:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Sibiu

Replied on Talk:Sibiu. Dahn 00:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Deletion process

Ah, sorry. I thought I'd gotten the tag right. I'll fix that asap. Octane ^{[improve me?]} {{subst:#time:d}}.{{subst:#time:m}}.{{subst:#time:y}} {{subst:#time:H}}{{subst:#time:i}} (UTC)

Concerning the designation "Jew"

Hi Joe, may I introduce myself? I am Alan. I notice that we share an interest in several subjects and languages. I want to respond to your response to my comment about "Jew" being pejorative for some English speakers, but I thought this might be a better place for that. I am a Jew too, and I am also not insulted by the term "Jew". What I was saying is that there are some speakers of English who perceive a subtle difference between the connotations of "Jew" and "Jewish". One is my mother! who is also Jewish and proud of it, but who taught me as a child in England that it was "nicer" to say "So-and-so is Jewish" than "So-and-so is a Jew". Even though "logically" both sentences should mean the same thing, and even though in Yiddish the normal equivalent is "er iz a yid" (He is a Jew). So I think there is such a phenomenon and I was only trying to point that out. I'm sure it would be interesting to study why that is, though off-the-point for the context we were in. The number of similar examples suggests that this is some sort of linguistic process going on in English, and not essentially limited to any one particular ethnic group. So, it was just an example. Cheers, --A R King 04:24, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey, guys; sorry to butt in. The American Heritage Guide to Contemporary Usage and Style attributes this phenomenon to the fact that using Jew as an adjective is offensive (examples: Jew ethics, Jew lawyer). People concerned about causing offense have started avoiding all uses of the term "Jew". — BrianSmithson 04:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Which is sort of like someone I know whose grandmother wouldn't say gnocchi because she might slip and say nookie. American Heritage is probably right on this point: it's exactly the kind of PC-ness that tends to result when people who don't actually know anyone from a given background very well try to show their good intentions. Actually, you know what it really reminds me of? Do you know the Lenny Bruce routine about the "how to relax a Negro at a party"? "You know, that Joe Louis was a hell of a fighter!…" - Jmabel | Talk 05:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks anyway...

I find today about my work,Cerin's article,that have been deleted because of log and than re-created but somebody else and deleted again.Thanks fo editing my work.Anyway,Cerin not need to be in english so long is in another languages.But if now the circumstances have changed who must to give"without prejudice against future re-creation"?L.Marchis 10:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Again: at this point, the only way the English Wikipedia will accept an article on Cerin is to go through Wikipedia:Deletion review and get agreement there that he is, indeed, notable. The thing to do would be to make a list of relevant sources and follow the directions at Wikipedia:Deletion review to start a section there presenting those references and explaining why you believe we should have an article on him. - Jmabel | Talk 19:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

As always many thanks

Hi Jmabel. Thanks for reverting the Oscar wilde article back. I am not very versed in computer speak and I had gotten so used to see the lengthy version of a dash that I thought tht it was required. Your note will save me doing this edit elsewhere at Wikip. Thanks again. MarnetteD | Talk 16:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

66.36.156.91

...is NorbertArthur, who I banned yesterday. See Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of NorbertArthur for more. Khoikhoi 22:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Nicely said! 66.36.156.91 (talk · contribs) is located in Montreal, and that's exactly where NorbertArthur lives. The IP is already blocked, however. Khoikhoi 22:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

That would be me. ;-) I think the note I already left him in the block log is sufficient enough. Khoikhoi 22:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

The thing is, if a different user logs on via that IP address, they should know what's going on, shouldn't they? - Jmabel | Talk 22:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess so. I've just never seen anyone but Arthur use these IPs. Khoikhoi 22:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Michael Richards

As you seem to be knowledgeable about all things Jewish, I wonder what your take is on the former Seinfeld co-star, specifically over the contentious debate over whether he's Jewish or not. Although, once you see the silly rhetoric on that talk page (some of it mine), you might not want to wade into that minor maelstrom. Wahkeenah 22:50, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I saw all of about 15 minutes of Seinfeld once, so I'm probably not the one to weigh in on this. To the best of my knowledge, I've never heard of Michael Richards in my life. - Jmabel | Talk 22:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

He played the eccentric next-door neighbor called "Kramer". Never watched Seinfeld? Talk about cultural deprivation! :) Wahkeenah 22:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Heard of the character, couldn't tell you bupkis about him. I never watch television on purpose; occasionally I happen to be somewhere where one is on; it's been that way for about 30 years. And I have to say: do my edits suggest that, compared to the average contributor here I am culturally deprived? - Jmabel | Talk 23:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Quite the opposite. And that might not be a coincidence. :) Wahkeenah 00:11, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey, I really appreciate you pointing out "And the date of a weekly newspaper should be cited accurately." I'm sorry, I thought they were supposed to be cited incorrectly. My bad. Thanks, Cacophony 02:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Response/notice about meta:Talk:Spam blacklist

I responsed to your comment at meta:Talk:Spam_blacklist#en:Talk:Franscisco_Franco. If you are going to answer it, continue discussion at Meta:

The specified talk page does not exist any more, so we don't have to remove the link. Naconkantari seems have blacklisted galeon.com because of this, and if you think that it should be removed from blacklist we should discuss about it first. -- mzlla 06:19, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Featured Article

Hi Joe. Very early in my induction into the wikipedia world, I naively spotted what I perceived to be a bit of original research on the Pete Seeger article. I absent mindedly described it as too "objective" rather than "subjective" in my haste to explain this on the talk page which you rightly picked me up on. I then clicked to your user page and read your essay on "countering systemic bias" - liked it, and was inspired to stay around and do my bit to remedy the situation somewhat. Bumping into you again at various times. Amongst other things I've written this article British African-Caribbean community with your edict in mind, which has today become a featured article! So you can thank yourself for being the catalyst for that, and hope you like the fact that your musings have had - and are making - a tangible difference! Good work, Cheers.--Zleitzen 06:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The admin question, again

Thank you for your delightful message; I too have enjoyed working with you and I appreciate your guidance. Now that I'm almost seven months in, more sure of myself, and would have more use for the admin tools, I agree that it's time to give an RfA a go. Your endorsement sounds wonderful and I'm sure it will win over enough doubters. When you've made the nomination, I'll accept with gratitude. Biruitorul 08:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks once again; as indicated in the instructions, let me state here once again that I accept. I've filled out the form; is there anything else to do? Biruitorul 19:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

GoldenEye and User:KenL

In case you missed it, User:KenL posted on your userpage [1]. He is still continuing to revert to a much earlier version of the article, calling subsequent edits "vandalism" (a personal attack?) [2] He is unwilling to communicate and obviously still irritated with the removal of a section he added (discussion about that is on article talk page). Can something be done, as he is being deliberately disruptive? Thanks. Trebor 13:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The only edit I made between KenL's edits was this - which apparantley qualifies as "dreadful and awful vandalism"! I did call some of his "the women of Bond movies" contributions dreadful or awful, which was uncivil and which I have apologised for. They were unencyclopedic though and I explained fully at Talk:GoldenEye#Women of GoldenEye. Sorry to take up your time. Mark83 16:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Ken's comment, which I have moved from my user page, is: KenL 09:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)Please do not talk to me "inappropriate ownership". Trebor and Mark80 have it put it on themselves to decide for others what should be in a page or not and go on to arbitrarily delete other people's work; notably Mark80, who who acted as a lackey for Trebor after I questioned his deletion of my contribution. He went on to delete all my other contributions on other related articles, calling them "awful" and "dreadful"; despite the fact other fellow wikipedians have no problems with them and even expanded upon them. It was a blatant personal attack, not an attempt to improve the articles. It seems that if you (meaning Trebor and Mark80) cannot dish what you take out do not dish at all and go boo hooing to the authorities. One thing I can say that I do not do ever since I go on Wikipedia is delete or take out anybody's contributions unless the statement is false or erroneous. It is not my place to do so. And and I believe neither it is Trebor or Mark80's place to do so either. But if they want to, at least have the courtesy and give a reason before doing so (and their reason is rather subjective: "awful" and "dreadful"). This is all I have to say on the matter. Any future discussions is moot. I will not have any contact with those who engage in personal attacks and vandalism under the guise of improving an article. I will not engage in communication with those who practices inappropriate ownerships on a whole set of related articles and then have the blatant audacity of trying to pin on others of the same.
[End moved comment]

Commenting on your edits is not a personal attack. If he had called you awful and dreadful, that would have been a pereaonal attack.

There are many reasons to remove a statement that is not false. It may be unreferenced. It may be terribly written.

If you don't wish to communicate with them, that is your prerogative, but then please do not work on the articles where they are editing. If you find their conduct unacceptable, start an RFC.

Bond films are a subject matter where, as far as I can remember, I have done no work at all (funny, because my brother used to date one of the Broccolis), and in which I have no interest in getting involved. To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we got them all down to one single article, which is almost certainly how any other encyclopedia would handle them, if it considered them worthy of note at all. - Jmabel | Talk 17:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)