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I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi Jnthepassenger. Thank you for your work on 5MU. Another editor, Alalch E., has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thank you for this article. I read your note in the edit summary saying how you will expand when time permits, which I take to mean that you will add those available sources and suitably cite them. Have a nice day

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Alalch E.}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

—Alalch E. 15:14, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Alalch E.: thank you so much. I will, but I will be honest, a lot of the sources aren’t available on the internet or even in text and are word of mouth reports from former and current staff members. I am actually an employee of Radio Murray Bridge (announcer on Power FM, 5MU’s sister station) and I’m trying to gather as much information as possible. I will cite as much as I possibly can and make sure everything is as accurate as possible so this page can be considered reliable. Jnthepassenger (talk) 00:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

5MU

Hi there! I'm User:Sammi Brie, and I specialize in radio and television topics. Most of my work is in the United States, but I have written about broadcasting from France to Argentina and Mexico to Australia.

I wanted to leave some specific tips on 5MU (having already left some additional content there):

• Declare your conflict of interest on the talk page. I'm not going to give you the entire spiel, but go read WP:COI about managing writing things you're connected to.
• We're not a program guide and don't generally list programming, especially non-local content.
• Notable people have articles. Lists of notable presenters generally should contain only links to existing articles, and the presenters themselves must meet the general notability guideline.
• Your start day is a day off! This might be a surprise for your 5MU/Power FM colleagues, but one of the newspaper items I uncovered indicated a dedication ceremony and broadcast on 15 September 1934, not 16 September.

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

thanks so much for erasing my hard work. Really appreciate that. I definitely didn’t spend months on this page at all, and not only that, the people mentioned are notable in the towns and areas mentioned, including Adelaide, despite not having Wikipedia articles.

cheers so much. Really really appreciate that.

if you wanted control just ask. That’s really quite poor. I did this as a project for everyone in our region and I feel as if this has been ruined.

not only that, there WAS a launch party on the 15th where the station LAUNCHED, but there was NO such broadcast and I have no idea where you’ve got that. Our first broadcast was on the 16th, I can provide a press release for this.

please restore this article back to the way it was. I can remove programmes but the first 4 programmes are produced locally.

I’m very disappointed. Jnthepassenger (talk) 02:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jnthepassenger Hi, I know my comments might be disappointing, but let me kind of go through some of your comments here and above.

• We can't accept word of mouth reports from former and current staff members as a reference. The reason I joined in was to provide reference support; Newspapers.com has some pre-1950s Australian newspapers, and NewsBank has full text of The Advertiser from the 1990s and on and the Murray Valley Standard for about the same period. So anything in the middle is tough for me to source. That said, I do understand the 16 September date item and would be fine with that.
• I'm fine with making a mention of the local programs in prose, but not bullet points.
• I'm not fine with the restoration of the other former on-air personalities as long as they lack articles. If they are notable and have substantial coverage that merits an article, then I am for it. My early evaluation, using the sources I have at my disposal, is leaning against one for Dzelde (a disproportionate share of her news media coverage seems to be about her terminal illness) and toward one for Sunderland. I do not think I have enough sourcing ability to put one together for Glenn Gale, whose journeyman broadcasting career was largely outside of the time periods available to me.
• No one person "controls" an article. Please assume good faith—most editors, though certainly not all, are here to build an encyclopedia. I found this article through a daily search for new articles on radio stations and believed that I could provide material that is typically not available to most editors. I am always open to listening and helping radio topic editors understand our policies and guidelines.

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Look, I understand and I apologise for coming across harshly/rudely. I also thank you as well for adding the parts about The Advertiser owning the station in the early days as well as the beginning of Power FM too. I think that source was written very strangely in regards to the start date, but the ACMA has us listed as starting on the 16th of September 1934. There was a “launch party” but no broadcasting was conducted on the 15th, there’s a press release from today that confirms this too. One thing I’m finding hard to follow is why I cannot have these people in the article who themselves don’t have articles? I had a read of the notable people article and I found it somewhat confusing and convoluted. I don’t necessarily have the time to write Jeff Sunderland an article but he is absolutely someone I want to have as a part of this article as he was very very popular throughout our local community, as well as Glenn Gale & Mel Dzelde. I am surprised nobody has created an article about Jeff honestly. What do you recommend as the best course of action? There are others I would like to add, including Adelaide radio personality Sean Craig Murphy, and ACE Radio CEO Mark Taylor who both started their careers at 5MU. Would I be okay to include them all in a prose rather than just listing them? Jnthepassenger (talk) 06:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Let me answer some of these in turn:

• It is unusual in my experience, admittedly from the US, for a station launch party to be before it started any broadcasting.
• "Notable" means "having an article", which in turn survives because the subject is notable. This is a topic-level precedent that has been followed for years. It is designed to cut down on promotional redlinks and force editors to consider the notability of people on a standalone basis.
  • Putting them in prose will bloat the article and is not recommended.
• I've pulled stuff for Sundo and will probably write that soon, but I've also been rather busy.

A separate comment from me on media coverage in broadcasting topics that I think will be useful for you. My experience from the US is that there is a sharp tailing off in the secondary source availability of coverage of local TV and radio at about the Great Recession in 2008. Newspapers cut back severely, and media coverage suffered as national outlets took prominence over local ones. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:49, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

September 2024

Hello. I wanted to let you know that in your recent contributions to 5MU, you seemed to act as if you were the owner of the page. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to Wikipedia. This means that editors do not own articles, including ones they create, and should respect the work of their fellow contributors. If you create or edit an article, remember that others are free to change its content. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia.

You must understand and I am certain that you already understand that this gigantic project to create and maintain a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit is not fuelled by editors screaming "DO NOT CHANGE" at each other. If you've ever watched an episode of How It's Made—it's made by collaborating and peacefully resolving disputes. "Do not change" would rather belong in an episode of "How It's Not Made" or "How It's Unmade". —Alalch E. 00:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

I apologise. I just want to have this correct and as accurate as possible while doing justice to everyone as much as possible too. You’re absolutely correct, that’s no good of me. Jnthepassenger (talk) 06:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you

A belated welcome, and thank you for adding your conflict of interest notice to the 5MU talk page. I have moved it to the top banner section per Talk page layout. No problem that you didn't know where to put it – there are a lot of rules and guidelines here and it can be a bit much for a new editor! — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 11:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much. Yes, I was informed that I needed to put down that I have a COI but not exactly where, someone just said on the "talk" page so I did just that. Thank you! Jnthepassenger (talk) 23:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)