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Winona, Mississippi

Hey John. Would you happen to know of an editor who is good with climate charts? I've never added or updated one, and the chart on the Winona, Mississippi article leads to a dead link. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 02:20, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't know him, but I have seen CambridgeBayWeather doing a lot of work on them. John from Idegon (talk) 17:16, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Quick Question

A bit surprised that you deleted my edits to the Cadillac page - dismissing the event as "a minor blip" when there were several references to locals referring to the incident as one of the most important in the community's history. Some minor effort in terms of research would have led you to Cadillac's mayor who echoes the thoughts of Cadillac High's former headteacher John Laurent in suggesting this was a pivotal moment for the social fabric of Cadillac. In fact, Laurent insisted "Kiss's visit is still the talk of Cadillac today." You may think that, since they're locals, their views don't count. But this was an international news story that - as the text I added suggested - reverberated for decades afterwards (floats in the homecoming parade, 35 years later, for "a minor blip"?!?). Would be grateful if you could reinstate this text. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suburb 77 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

That may be the case, but a band playing is NOT historic. Wikipedia pages on communities are not written for the residents of the community, but for the entire English speaking world. So no, I won't be putting your edits back. John from Idegon (talk) 17:50, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

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Negaunee

John, thanks for the note about the attractions paragraph being in the wrong place. I moved it as suggested. I did note that the remaining header paragraph notes the museum as a key item, and I added 'luge' next to that. If they need to be removed from that earlier paragraph, go ahead (in which case I'm presuming you'll add the history museum to the attractions paragraph below). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youblend2 (talk • contribs) 07:27, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

March 2015

Don't talk to me like a common vandal. I've been a constructive editor on Wikipedia for almost a decade now -- I even started WikiProject Cleveland -- and I actually went to Brush and know a thing or two about what was/is notable there. Either stick by your principles or be a hypocrite, I don't care either way. But don't threaten me -- have me banned if that's what gets your rocks off. From where I sit, I see you nothing more as just another a self-righteous and hypocritical blow-hard prick who has no life. Deal with it. Otherwise, after you have me banned, come to Chicago --- where I've resided for the past 21 years -- and we can talk about it face to face like real men. I don't know about you Idaho, but I earned my stripes -- both metaphorically and literally. My edits on Wikipedia aren't the sum of my existence. So whatever makes you sleep better at night, go for it pal. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 04:27, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

You're implying I am over-involved here yet you are the one who is calling me out to a fistfight? My edits were within policy, and made only to improve the reliability of Wikipedia as a reference. You are arguing over adding a non-notable individual to list of notables on a school article, with no reference to either notability or attendance. It doesn't matter what is notable at your alma mater. That isn't what a notable list on a school article is for. So next time you decide to go on a late night tirade, try to make sure you are aware of what you are doing. Seniority doesn't count for squat here, and if you are an example of what great amounts of experience generates, it shouldn't. John from Idegon (talk) 22:24, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

March 2015

Thanks for your message, John for Idegon...I'm completely new (which you probably gathered) to Wikipedia and haven't reviewed the guidelines as I should have before posting. Although the information I added to the page is completely accurate, I did not verify it, thinking that a Wikipedia editor would easily be able to substantiate the edits through a basic Wikipedia search. I determined the notability of the individuals (myself included) based on comparable career accomplishments and associated popularity of their respective known projects, to others on the list. For instance, Kevin Linnear, of the Mighty Mighty Bosstones, does not have an article about himself, yet he is included on the list (as he should be, given his talent and career highlights) and none of the other artists on the list have been awarded the highest individual achievement in their field...twice. I will be sure to look into the guidelines and approach my future posts to Wikipedia accordingly. Thanks for your service to this site...I appreciate your prompt and thoughtful message. Charlieragins — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlieragins (talk • contribs) 00:02, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

To be on a notable list, a person should have an article. But in all cases, they must qualify to have a an article, and there must be references to show that and also references to their connection to the community. Being part of a notable music group does not make a person notable. Winning Emmys would, provided that the individual won the award and not the show. Reference that to a reliable source and you are welcome to readd them to the list. For the gal from the Moodies, you would have to show that she, not the band, has been discussed in detail in multiple reliable sources. John from Idegon (talk) 01:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Townsend Harris High School

From Arthur Browning: John, you reverted my edit to the Townsend Harris High School national rankings due to the lack of reliable source. In fact, I had just followed the pre-existing link to the US News and World Report on-line rankings page and discovered that the most recent number (40) was different than that in Wikipedia (33), so I changed the latter to conform to the source. I have again restored the more current ranking, but now I've moved the reference to make it more clear what is being cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthur Browning (talk • contribs) 13:01, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

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Hello, so why is that pointless thing needed at Stephanie Bendixsen? --DangerousJXD (talk) 10:06, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Oops. I reverted myself. John from Idegon (talk) 10:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

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Okemos High School

I'm plenty familiar with WP:NLIST. But the point here (as can be verified in multiple reliable sources) is that this notable band is largely made up of people who went to the same high school. That's pretty obviously a matter of encyclopedic interest with respect to that school. I hope you'll see your way to clear to leaving this sourced information in the article. --Arxiloxos (talk) 04:47, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I hope you can live with my compromise. The odds of individual members of a minor band in a minor genre ever reaching either gng or nmusic are pretty slim. The band is notable. I really am very reluctant to let any nn student names in any high school article, as the school article guidelines suggest. It is simply an invitation to more namecruft, a problem school articles are notorious for. John from Idegon (talk) 00:34, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Telluride

Hi John,

So is the issue that you don't consider ePodunk to be a reliable source?

Cheers, GentlemanGhost (converse) 21:35, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I would consider it reliable as a reporter of referenced factual information. Not for a survey it did. We do not accept studies done for academic papers unless they are vetted by a respected journal; why would we accept a survey done by a commercial website? Further, the whole of the edit reeks of pov. What utility is a survey that purports to define this community as the "most" of a term that reasonable people cannot even agree on a definition for? I will oppose inclusion of this even if you could find a secondary source for it and if you have further, please take it to the article's talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 22:02, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining your reasoning. I'm sorry to find you in such a hostile mood. (I know it's a figure of speech, but "reeks"? Sheesh.) I concede that ePodunk is a commercial website, not an academic institution. But, contrary to what you're saying, I actually liked the fact that it was not a survey, by which I mean a poll. If it was just a poll, I wouldn't have found it as interesting. They do list objective criteria, although they don't seem to show their numbers. Their suggestion that election results, political donations, and LGBT rights indicate a regional leaning toward liberalism (not used pejoratively) seems like a reasonable inference. However, I can see how that would not be objective enough. Where I thought it might be useful is to provide information about the nature of the town, something not reflected in Census data. But I don't work for ePodunk and I don't have a POV axe to grind about Telluride, so I am content to leave it out. Cheers, GentlemanGhost (converse) 23:36, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry you perceived my response as hostile. I'm just a very straightforward person. Happy editing. John from Idegon (talk) 23:55, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Happy editing. :-) --GentlemanGhost (converse) 00:01, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

GNIS usage

Hello, last year we had a discussion in which you mentioned that "Generally, the most basic level of proof for existence of a community in the US is appearance in the GNIS." This was in discussion about Shoshone, Nevada. Does such a guideline exist on any Wikipedia policy page or guideline? There is a debate on-going elsewhere as to the acceptability of GNIS. Famartin (talk) 01:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

• Take your pick: Template talk:Bergen County, New Jersey, also Fair Play, New Jersey, also Coxs Corner, Monmouth County, New Jersey. Magnolia677 (talk) 03:22, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Dear lord Magnolia677, are you stalking my movements? Jesus... I am asking John a question. Not you. Famartin (talk) 04:05, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Way at the top of this talk page is a little black box with a warning. As well, this page is on my watchlist because of past edits. Magnolia677 (talk) 04:19, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Magnolia and I have been watching each other's talk pages for quite a while. I appreciate him giving your question some context. WP:Gazetteer is the philosophical root of the statement. An entry in Gnis, existence of a post office at any point in time, existence of any census record for the locale, or the appearance of the place on any official state, county, or federal map are all individually enough for notability of a place. John from Idegon (talk) 04:32, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

I apologize, then. I don't suppose you'd like to insert yourself in any of those debates? You'd argue far better than I. Famartin (talk) 06:35, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Embedded infoboxes

Thanks for fixing the Denby High infobox, it looks much better now. But I'm confused. I was just following the instructions at Template:Infobox, in the "Embedding" section. Are those instructions wrong? Is there some secret documentation somewhere on the "embed" field? Is it special to the NRHP infobox? Kendall-K1 (talk) 03:02, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

hi, Kendall-K1! I can summarize all I know about templates on the head of a pin. To me, it's like pi. Memorize enough to get by, know where to look if you need more. I know the embed field works with infobox NRHP. I know it will not work with infobox school. and you are right, it isn't mentioned in the template documents anywhere. I discovered it because it is there when you use Elkman's tool to create an infobox NRHP.IMHO, your troubles started when you read the directions. I've always just looked around til I found an example of what I want and copied it. that, and ask at the teahouse. happy editing. perhaps

i'll be able to actually answer any other questions you have. John from Idegon (talk) 03:47, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! It actually is covered in the NRHP template doc. Silly me for not checking there first. Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:05, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm with John from Idegon. Plagiarism in the sincerest form of flattery. I too look around for an example and cut and paste. Does anyone actually read the directions on the box? {:>{)> 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:25, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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TPO

Why was this please see notice removed? How does this comply with WP:TPO? The article War in Afghanistan (2001-present) falls within the scope of WP:Wikiproject United States, thus why the please see template was placed there.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:55, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Accidentally. Sometimes when scrolling thru my watchlist on my phone, my fat fingers hit the wrong thing...pretty much, if you see me do a rollback without an edit summary, feel free to revert it. I fixed it, and I'm sorry. John from Idegon (talk) 17:19, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

No worries, it happens, I understand.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:40, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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Herbert Hoover High School, Falling Rock, WV

You challenge me to find a published source for my assertion that Herbert Hoover High School is in Falling Rock WV rather than Clendenin WV. That's going to be difficult as the school building isn't in Falling Rock either. The case here, as is true in many rural areas, is that the parcel on which the school sits isn't in any named place at all - it's just "in the country." Clendenin is the town used for the mailing address, but the city limits are a couple of miles northeast of the school. Falling Rock is a little unincorporated village (no government), but its limits are a few hundred yards southwest. The school building itself is just "in between," but all of us from that area would place it in Falling Rock.

The reason may have to do with this high school being the consolidation of two fierce rival schools: Elkview High School and Clendenin High School. By identifying its location as Falling Rock, the Elkview contingent could accept it as "neutral territory."

Describing "place" in a rural area is often still done in the manner of early settlers. In this case, it wouldn't be unusual to hear the location of this school described as "on the Elk River, 300 yards upstream of the mouth of Jordan Creek." Most country folk would know exactly what you mean. Boomer (talk) 14:44, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Try reading before reverting.

I was removing unsourced claims, not adding them. Darla Vise-Eye (talk) 21:59, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

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Since you don't seem to be reading the article you're reverting me on...

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