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2013 Russian meteor event requested move

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You may have participated in a prior informal discussion on changing the title of 2013 Russian meteor event.

This discussion has been closed in favor of a formal Requested Move.

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Thank you. μηδείς (talk) 19:09, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

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His Dark Materials

I reverted you on HDM for a number of reasons. Mainly 'controversies' should only include (sourced) elements that have aroused public controversy. Secondly, I'm not sure that it is an allegory, though Skadi compares inter/circum-cision, clearly she takes a similar attitude to both. I have no objection to a brief mention in the relevant book or in 'Skadi', even if there has been no controversy, it seems worthy of mention. If you can supply book/page ref. that would be good. Pincrete (talk) 21:29, 30 January 2016 (UTC) … … … ps I see that you are a long-term occasional editor, I'll look for page no's myself, but at least you will know why I reverted. Pincrete (talk) 21:33, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Given the lack of a dedicated section or page of it's own, The "controversies" section has become a general overview of Pulman's controversial and critical approach to religion in the trilogy (see numerous other paragraphs in this section); so mention of Pullman's critical allegory of (religiously motivated) genital mutilation probably belongs here rather than in the individual book's page. Alternatively it could go on the Philip Pulman page. If you don't object I'll put it back in, along with an appropriate reference: http://www.historyofcircumcision.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=82&Itemid=0 Book = subtle knife, page 50 Joncolvin (talk) 22:16, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

I hope you realise, it isn't the material that I objected to mainly the need for a ref. and evidence of controversy. No I don't object to your re-inserting, although I'm still not sure that there is evidence of a controversy. Yes, the HDM pages are rambling and undisciplined (to many temp fans who didn't hang around to prune the excesses).

Although your source's title uses 'allegory', this is what is said later on ' It would be absurdly reductionist to regard Pullman’s brilliant rewriting of Paradise Lost as no more than an allegory of genital mutilation, but in view of Ruta Skada’s declaration I think we are justified in viewing the parallels between intercision and circumcision as more than a case of mere applicability, and in seeing what other similarities between the two procedures we can find. There are several key discussions that will make the parallels very clear. '. Clearly the writer is talking about the whole book not being an allegory, but the writer also points later to Asriel comparing intercision to castration.

I may edit to say 'parallels' rather than allegory, since I think that is both more accurate and more in line with the source. If I can think of somewhere better within the HDM, I will also move it there. The observation is a worthwhile one, but I'm still not sure it's an allegory or a controversy, except in the sense you mention. Pincrete (talk) 23:42, 30 January 2016 (UTC) … … ps although the source refers to religion in general, it doesn't analogise intercision with 'religious' circumcision.Pincrete (talk) 23:50, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, the controversy is his "subversive" criticism of (organised) religion in HDM, so the paragraph on the intercision allegory details one part of this controversial approach; and there have been explicit objections (If you look at the snopes post on HDM one of the objections sourced is "If you decide that you do not want to support something like this, I suggest that you boycott the movie and the books. I googled a synopsis of THE GOLDEN COMPASS. As I skimmed it, I couldn't believe that in a children's book part of the story is about castration and female circumcision."). There are quite a few other sources that also discuss the intercision/circumcision allegory (I do think allegory is the best term, rather than parallel). Joncolvin (talk) 09:35, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Joncolvin, and welcome back. Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. I hope you decide to stick around. Unfortunately, your recent edit to the page Michel Foucault did not conform to Wikipedia's verifiability policy, and has been removed. Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations verified in reliable, reputable print or online sources or in other reliable media. Always provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. Wikipedia also has a related policy against including original research in articles.

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@Mathglot: Fair enough, The Nation is reliable online source, edited to provide a direct quote rather than interpretation.Joncolvin (talk) 20:18, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

That's fine. Thanks, in both cases, for including a reference. In the case of your most recent edit, please read about why Bare URLs are not optimal in references; the principles behind that essay are in the WP:VERIFIABILITY policy page.

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One other thing: please place the <ref> tag right up against the preceding text, with no white space between them. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 21:09, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes; I see it took a few tries (it gets easier), but just like that. Keep up the good work! See also WP:NAMEDREFS. Mathglot (talk) 21:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Yep it took a few tries :)Joncolvin (talk) 22:00, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I adjusted the |quote= param punctuation; (no leading double quote; direct speech inside single quotes; straight not curlies). See Template:Cite web#Using quote, and MOS:CURLY. Mathglot (talk) 23:44, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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