Jordkost

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:03, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Ty Defoe

Please don't edit war. If someone reverts your edit, you need to stop editing and discuss the issue. This is especially true when you're editing an article about a living person. In addition, you cannot make accusations of bad faith - per Wikipedia policy, you're expected to assume good faith. Please don't do things like this. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:44, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Also tagging Rmirsajadi Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 18:44, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Ian (Wiki Ed)Please give us a sense of how we can correct this issue. I also stand by the assessment that calling indigenous belief systems "fiction" is an act of racism and colonial violence. User:Rmirsajadi

Ian (Wiki ED) Thanks for responding to this issue. I would appreciate your kindness in understanding that the original contention was about a single word and title that is important to the living person's, who I've met, identity. I am more than fine to discuss parts of my edits. However, my entire work was removed. This is harmful to Defoe as much of what I added was updated works, accomplishments, and achievements from the past 5 years that were missing. Not to mention, calling my work "nonsense" is also a practice of accusing bad faith. I am attempting to bring a broader light to someone who is so influential to the artistic community, I am a current college student. So I'm sure there are mistakes, and I welcome constructive feedback to strengthen my article contributions. Will, anybody works with me and suggest edits I can implement, or are we simply going to delete all of this work and then deem my retaliation of these drastic deletes as "bad-faith?" I want to center Ty Defoe, that is who I want to uplift. And deleting all of the work and edits I made with no help besides "nonsense" and "uncredible sources" is not helping anyone including my learning or Ty Defoe's page. I understand I had an outside image, my bad, but I can't even fix my "mistakes" that have been called out cause it was all taken down user:jordkost

The first principle here is that the way things work on Wikipedia is that consensus matters. If you make an edit, and someone reverts you, the only appropriate way forward is to start a discussion. That's the "bold, revert, discuss" cycle. That's a key element of how Wikipedia works, and it's something that's critical for Wikipedia to work.

The second issue is that we can't say controversial things in Wikipedia's voice. We can describe what reliable sources say, but we can't say that a person is a shapeshifter, but neither can we say that Jesus is divine. We need to rely on sources. It's especially critical when we're talking about biographies of living people. Without sources, there's no way to distinguish what's correct or what might just have been made up by someone editing Wikipedia. Without reliable sources we can't distinguish what's been fact-checked and what is just some claim someone is making on the internet. This does mean that Wikipedia has a bias problem - the community has been aware of that from the start - but it's hard to unravel that without unravelling them entire edifice that allows Wikipedia to be "reliable".

The third element here is civility and assuming good faith. If you had spoken to them you'd find that Praxicidae is a very reasonable person, and is quite sympathetic to the issue of presenting indigenous communities in a respectful manner. But once you start making accusations, it's very hard to come back and expect someone to interact with you in a respectful manner.

So does working on Wikipedia require you to accommodate yourself to a racist, colonialist, misogynistic system? Sure, just like living in the world does. As a non-white, mixed-race, non-American, anti-colonialist, anti-racist I find that every day forces me to make choices like that. Maybe I'm wrong, I can't tell you how to do things, but I've been able to stick around and slowly change this place for the last (almost) seventeen years. And making edits that will be reverted - not because people are racists and colonialists but because our system of knowledge is...you're free to do that. Or you can find a way to work with others to craft something that will stick. Something that's clearly not good enough, but that's better. It's your choice. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 19:31, 16 March 2021 (UTC)