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Saint Paul GA Preparation

Hello,

The Saint Paul, Minnesota article is being prepared for GA Nomination ahead of the 2008 RNC and the attention the article will be receiving (and in some cases already has).

Other editors and myself have been working on the article lately and we would like to you to help. If you have additions, comments, concerns, questions or other feed back, it is all appreciated. There is a peer review already set up and detailed checklist of issues that need to be fixed is on the talk page. These items can be crossed off when completed. Feel free to add to the list and sign your username, so that we know who added it.

Any help is appreciated. Also, if you would like to work on other articles directly related to Saint Paul, especially those that link off the Saint Paul article, that would be great too.

Thanks and have a great day, Calebrw (talk) 19:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

City of Peking/Tokio

BTW, thanks for digging up that bolles reference, don't know how I missed that one, but it confirmed for me that the ships had compound engines, and gave their horsepower too!

I was pretty sure the ships had compound engines since Roach installed his first compound engine just the year before, and the ships' speed indicated they were probably compound, but I didn't want to stick my neck out just in case, so your reference came in very handy :) Gatoclass (talk) 15:12, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome! It's nice to see someone doing great work in this long-neglected area of Wikipedia. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 15:23, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments on DYK

here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I tend to agree. I did not follow the issue, but with few admins handling a growing number of nominations, many of which are malformed and need substantial work, and with a substantial backlog, controversial nominations can be passed over. It's too bad, as one person can create a controversy, and good articles can be left off in favor of poorer articles with a narrower appeal. Kablammo (talk) 17:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

That seems to be exactly what happened here; one editor, engaging in OR, created the illusion of a controversy that caused a fine article to be passed over. This leaves an unfortunate taste of DYK for me since it's the first time I've ever been involved (I suggested the DYK to Colin). Of more current interest, good gosh, the structure of that page needs to change, because it's impossible to negotiate and most editors don't use edit summaries. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it's recommended that folks mention the article in the edit summary (and some link it) but that is often honored in the breach (and I regret to say I'm guilty also). It would be nice if there were a technical solution which would enable folks to track the nominations they are interested in, but that stuff is beyond me. I don't wander by DYK on a consistent basis but it strikes me that they are thinly staffed for the volume they have to handle. Kablammo (talk) 17:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh well, not my problem. I guess I'm just venting at the frustration that one person's OR can derail fine work. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:58, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Mount Edziza volcanic complex

It passed GA! Black Tusk (talk) 13:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Naniboujou Club Lodge

On 20 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Naniboujou Club Lodge, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Great pic. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Great place and great pics. This one is up for deletion. Why? -SusanLesch (talk) 15:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, there's no risk of deletion. The admin who updated DYK had to upload a copy of the picture to Wikipedia, even though it's already on the Commons, to protect it from vandalism. He also had to protect the image from modifications. If that isn't done, then someone could upload a different picture of Image:Naniboujou_Lodge_DR.jpg to Wikipedia, hiding the image on the Commons. You could just imagine what would happen if someone uploaded a picture from some Internet shock site: instant vandalism on the Main Page. I'd rather see the picture of the dining room. In fact, after seeing the pictures, I'd kind of like to go up there myself and check it out. Thanks for writing the article. --Elkman ^(Elkspeak) 15:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I didn't read all of your reply Elkman, but it looks like bunch of gobbledy gook rules. The image is tagged "no author", an entirely separate issue. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks all, and thanks to Appraiser for starting it and doing the infobox thingy. I'm not too worried about deletion of the photo; I think the protected version may be up for deletion (I'm not sure of that as I don't have time to check) but the original showed it was self-made, as I recall.

I am busy today and can't watch the article; I'd appreciate it if you folks could, in case of vandalism. Thanks. Kablammo (talk) 16:21, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Acting Sheriff DYK nom

Hi Kablammo. If you have a chance, would you review my DYK nom[1]. Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 13:59, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll try to look later. Kablammo (talk) 14:20, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Done, suggestion at DYK page. Kablammo (talk) 21:29, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I provided an alternate hook. Without a green or blue check, it may not get picked up. I included quotes in the footnotes to support the DYK nom. Would you please review again. Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 00:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Done. Good luck. (Remember to leave line breaks between DYK suggestions.) Kablammo (talk) 01:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Man, that's stressful. I almost forgot to check back on my nomination. Thanks for giving it the thumbs up. -- Suntag ☼ 01:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

New Yorker destiny

Hi, You may be familiar with the famous New Yorker magazine science piece Manifold destiny alluding to manifest destiny. Their choice of title reflects the ubiquitous nature of the term manifest destiny, which has become an instantly recognizable cultural reference. I thought a reader of manifest destiny may find this interesting. Katzmik (talk) 14:03, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't familiar with that but will take a look. It's always a question as to how far articles should go in addressing other cultural uses. I can't spend time on it now; maybe we could discuss it at the talk page of Manifest Destiny and see how best to handle it. Thanks for the reference. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 14:20, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't really have that much more to add :) If you feel like it you can copy this exchange over to the talk page. I do think you may enjoy the read (including the current deletion discussion). Katzmik (talk) 14:30, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the term is a recognizable cultural reference and that it inspired the title of the New Yorker article. But nowhere in that article is the term "Manifest Destiny" used (nor the word "manifest", nor "destiny" except in the title). Given that, and the fact that the subjects of the respective pages are not related, WP:SEEALSO, and in fact are completely dissimilar, there is no connection sufficient to justify a "see also". Accordingly it should be left off.

Your article looks like it is headed for a "keep", which seems appropriate. I'll read it and the NY piece in more detail. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 21:59, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Kablammo

Thank you for supporting my RfA nomination, Kablammo. I look forward to being able to help further at DYK. And I appreciate the confidence. Cbl62 (talk) 06:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK review

Hello. Could you kindly review the DYK suggestion at the bottom of September 21? I wouldn't want it to go too stale, even if it has a chance and making DYK. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 19:51, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help

Thanks for your help on the Vladas Česiūnas article. It is DYK right now. I really appreciate it. Chris (talk) 17:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Minneapolis Meetups

Town Hall Brewery
maps.google.com
1430 Washington Ave S
Minneapolis, MN 55454
(612) 339-8696
October 11, 2008
Saturday at 12:00 noon (midday)
Meetup RSVP

Muddy Waters
maps.google.com
2401 Lyndale Ave S
Minneapolis, MN 55405
(612) 872-2232
October 10, 2008
Friday at 10:00 PM (at night)
Alternate meetup RSVP

Hope you can make it. Feel free to pass along these invitations. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

FACR

Kablammo, you posted at one or more of the recent discussions of short FAs. There's now a proposal to change the featured article criteria that attempts to address this. Please take a look and consider adding your comments to the straw poll there. Mike Christie (talk) 20:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Copying of text

Per your post on Maralia's talk, I just noticed Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Policy on edits that rely on translations of other Wikipedias. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Per the message above, as the person who initiated the above discussion, I thought I had better say thank you for your comments on this issue. I take it that the problems to which you refer may, at least at times, involve editors who use the Google option enabling translations from other languages. Interesting that you say that such translations may not be reliable.Many thanks for your help, ACEOREVIVED (talk) 21:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

For your work cleaning up and referencing Geology of Minnesota. It looks great. Awickert (talk) 03:48, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words. The regional summaries are reasonably complete, but perhaps the geological history could use more work. In a general article such as this it can be difficult to know where to stop. I want to keep the piece general in nature (but still comprehensive) and allow the detail to be fleshed out in other articles, such as Driftless Area, Glacial history of Minnesota, and Duluth Complex. Any suggestions and assistance you can give will be appreciated. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 15:29, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

OK - I just took another look at that section, and it looks like I could add some info, and/or a somewhat-expert revision of a lot of the good stuff that's already there. I'm going to be hosed for the next week and a half or so, but I might make some minor revisions during periods of procrastination. I agree - it's difficult to know how much to put on a general page, but I think that you're right that the history section could be a little longer, as it is short compared to the rest of the article. Awickert (talk) 00:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I will archive the present talk page and we can discuss what needs to be done there. Kablammo (talk) 00:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good - I worked a little on preripheral stuff just now. Awickert (talk) 02:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Red River Trails

		The Epic Barnstar
		Excellent job on Red River Trails! --Appraiser (talk) 21:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Appraiser. Kablammo (talk) 15:19, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Minnesota

I suppose you know why it's windy in Southern Minnesota? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I think I do now . . . Kablammo (talk) 00:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC) Are any Iowans listening?

Your comment about food dishes slipping across the border made me think of it. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I just started watching "Minnesota", and I see it gets a lot of vandalism. Uffda! ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Keep it watchlisted, then! There may be a lot of jealous Cheeseheads and Iowans around to "improve" the article. Kablammo (talk) 19:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Tonnage

Thanks for the note. Will try to remember that. I'm not a expert on ships, but I'm not letting that stop me creating articles! Mjroots (talk) 12:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Empire ships

Have you seen the item at WT:SHIPS about the Empire ships? Feel free to jump in and add a few! Mjroots (talk) 17:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

re:SS Sanct Svithun

Thank you for the kinds words and for correcting my tonnage mistake. More articles on Hurtigruten ships sunk during World War II are coming up in not too long, one is already in the research phase. Again, thanks. Manxruler (talk) 21:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

You misunderstood me

I have posted in the thread on my talk page. I'm just posting here to make sure you have seen it. I believe you will be very happy with my response. :-)--Jimbo Wales (talk) 02:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, to answer some specific questions you had

I agree with Tony. Jimbo specifically mentioned checking disparaties between "admin support and more general support". Why not disparaties between content contributors, long-term contributors, non-automated main space contributors, and others? (Or why not treat all qualified votes equally, which is certainly the presumption underlying a vote?) And to what extent will there be an inquiry into, or suppositions made concerning, the motivations of qualified voters? Kablammo (talk) 01:12, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

What I mentioned is that I have in the past looked at admin versus non-admin votes because someone usually sends me a breakdown of that. I would very much love to see the breakdowns that you mention, as well, and I think we should all take a serious look at those.

There are those who like to argue that there is some ongoing breakdown of the community with admins versus nonadmins, or old-timers versus newbies, or content contributors versus vandal fighters, or... well, in my experience, those are things we should think about but they aren't really major problems, and I think ArbCom voting might well reflect that.

I think virtually everyone agrees on what makes for a good ArbCom member. And I think we all agree that the choice is one that should be made with the highest degree of thoughtfulness.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 02:29, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your notes. I hope that someone conversant with such data will be able to provide them to you. I agree that this year's election gives some hope for healing any rift between content contributors and those who spend most of their time on other aspects of the project. Kablammo (talk) 12:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Art LaPella's rules

Thanks for weighing in in the argument going on at Art's talk page. I have a suspicion that user won't listen to you (he dug his heels in a long time ago), but in any case it's good to see another person standing up for Art. I don't know if you're a former DYK worker or a regular whom I just haven't met yet (I've only been at DYK for a couple months now) or just an outside observer, but anyway, your thoughtfulness is appreciated. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 00:20, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your note. I do not know the background of this disagreement nor, for my purposes, is it relevant. I know of no reason why DYK could not describe new content to exclude block quotes, for purposes of determining article eligibility. Otherwise we could have DYKs padded with quotes to meet the minimum requirment. We should recognize research and writing, not parrotting, and the greatest fault of DYK is that it still allows in too much of the latter. Kablammo (talk) 00:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Children in content review processes

See tortured prose at User talk:SandyGeorgia#NYC meet-up video. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Action of 13 January 1797 FAC

Thankyou for participating in the FAC for Action of 13 January 1797. The article has now passed and your assistance in the process was much appreciated. Regards--Jackyd101 (talk) 11:42, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Miramar

I've corrected a load more. I hope this website isn't going to change its urls on a regular basis. Mjroots (talk) 07:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Request

You seem smart! Would you please, please help defend my user page under threat of deletion. Thank-you!--Standforder (talk) 07:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Appearances can be deceiving, but thank you anyway. I answered on your talk page. Kablammo (talk) 14:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Ship Tonnages

Thank you for adujsting the Nimrod Expedition page with the correct information concerning the ship's GRT. The same problem may arise on other expedition articles, and I will let you know if I need your future help. Brianboulton (talk) 14:31, 31 December 2008 (UTC)