Kc440

This is kc440. I would like to contact the other person writing about Karyn Kupcinet. I have cleared some inaccuracies. Please read over what I said about the Kennedy Assassination link. It's clearer and removes any dis or mis-information. I have also added a speculation about a certain Chicago mobster who may have had her killed and why. Let's talk. --Kc440 18:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the Third Party Opinion page is not the forum to request help in finding out more about another editor. You will have to figure some other way to do this. :) DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 21:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

3 separate people

To my other contributers:

There seems to be 3 of us trying to tell the story of Karyn Kupcinet. Can we come to a consensus? I've been following the case for a very long time, so I sometimes feel proprietary towards it. Why don't we make a section devoted to Theories?Kc440 02:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Please learn to make edits properly. You do not sign them and must cite them. BillyJoelFan 05:21, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I have cited some things over and over again and they get deleted. I say where an observation comes from and also if it's speculative on my part, why. What is your theory on how Karyn Kupcinet died: Who, Why and How? The basics of journalism. If something's speculative, say so and point to evidence that makes you theorize it. The only person who truly knows who killed Karyn is the killer(s). For all we know a crazed fan might have killed her. Or one of the men we know who visited her that night.17:56, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

This is not a journalistic site this is an encyclopedia and we do not speculateBillyJoelFan 04:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Please use the talk page for your signed comments, not the article. Thank you. Gamaliel (Angry Mastodon! Run!) 18:27, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to form a consensus.Kc440 18:44, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Message on Image talk:Stephengamalielnicodemus.jpeg

Hi! I'm a new Wikipedia member. I discovered a piece was being written about Karyn Kupcinet. When I read it, it was filled with inaccuracies. I tried to be friendly, but the person was very antagonistic with me. This person doesn't know what they are talking about. She is misquoting blindly. Her "facts" are not right. I have a lot of material on Karyn Kupcinet. I've been following the case for years. I am the largest contributor to groups.yahoo.com/group/Karyn_Kupcinet. Here we brainstormed a lot of theories. The other contributer is a name-caller. She states things as facts when they aren't. I quote from published sources, or if I have an opinion, I might mention it. I read the Wikipedia ettiquette, so I know better on how things are done here. I just thought I'd let you know this. kc440

I found this message on Image talk:Stephengamalielnicodemus.jpeg and I assume it was intended for me. Image talk pages are not the proper place for such messages; instead it should have been posted at User talk:Gamaliel.

I'm sorry that you've had trouble with another contributor. I will keep an eye on Talk:Karyn Kupcinet and intervene if I see any further namecalling or breaches of civility. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Gamaliel (Angry Mastodon! Run!) 19:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Karyn Kupcinet

Hi, I noticed you made some edits on the Karyn Kupcinet today, but there were a few mistakes that I corrected. First, the episode name isn't needed in the filmography section. I mentioned that in the article and it's typically not the format that Wikipedia uses for a filmography. Also, as a rule, I use IMDb as a reference point for all filmographies because it's reliable and usually has all credits listed (even ones where the actor wasn't credited). After researching Karyn's career online, I've found no sources aside from sites that basically mirror the Wiki article that have stated Karyn was on Surfside 6, The Donna Reed Show, The Red Skelton Show, The U.S. Steel Hour, or The Jerry Lewis Show. Do you have a source in which you can cite these credits? If so, please include them on her page (where I've left citations). I've left them up for now, but without any references, I'd like to remove them. Thanks! Pinkadelica 06:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC) Pinkadelica, doesn't my ownership of the particular shows mean anything?Kc440 00:30, 7 October 2007 (UTC) I put in the Donna Reed citation, but I couldn't find her Surfside 6 citation. I do have the episode. Please give me time before you remove anything. I got these show titles from the NY Times about finding her dead. Dated 11-30-63/12-1-63. Should I use that?Kc440 01:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I haven't removed any of the shows you added, but I did properly link them (ie Donna Reed to The Donna Reed Show, etc) and tagged them for citation. I don't believe you owning a show that you believe Karyn was in constitutes as being enough "proof" (see:Wikipedia:No original research). I've read a few claims that Karyn was on these shows, but without any verifiable sources, I'd say it's not wise to add it (it will only get removed or tagged for citation at some point). It's quite possible that a site like IMDb left out some of her credits, but I question that as it's a fairly reliable and through source, even when dealing with obscure actors in uncredited roles. If you have any newspaper articles that can back up your info, please include them. Personally, I'd double check the article because newspapers from that era were notorious for not fact checking. It's also helpful if you include how many episodes she appeared in (not the episode name, just the amount of shows she appeared in). Thanks. Pinkadelica 19:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted your recent edits to the article. Please stop inserting your signature into the article. Your contributions are credited in the article history (click on the "history" tab) so there is no need for you to sign your name in the article itself. Gamaliel (Angry Mastodon! Run!) 01:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Gamaliel, I was confused between the Talk pages and the article. But I am catching on. Eventually, we should have a nice page. I can tell you the other person contributing is either very young or -- I don't know what. I think she/he is putting down what she "remembers" from what she read about Karyn. She always gets it wrong. I have the texts right in front of me.Kc440 00:30, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

How do you explain a mystery in an encyclopedic item? I feel the page is not up to par. If no other theories are proposed, then we should build a strict, factual account of her life. Her family. Her acting credits. Her short term in college. Her weight problem(?) Medications found in her house, including methamphetamine -- I think this is highly significant. They could not find any drugs in her that may have killed her as she had decomposed. I think it should mention the trauma to the left side of her neck -- but with no theory. Also the findings of the coroner. He performed her autopsy a few years before he got into trouble in a legal case. I'm not sure if that should be included, as it leans towards conspiracy. I do think the External Links should be left alone, as they are all about Karyn Kupcinet and do not have the restriction of being neutral encyclopedic articles.Kc440 19:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Karyn Kupcinet/Tammy Windsor

Hi. Regarding the note you left on the Karyn Kupcinet talk page, thanks for clearing that up. I was talking to someone else about this recently and I really didn't think they were the same person. I rented the Andy Griffith DVD awhile back and watched that episode and it looked nothing like her. I was a bit confused by it and I also wondered why no other source said she went by that name. I noticed that IMDb merged Tammy Windsor with Karyn Kupcient. I'm guessing someone emailed them and told them they were the same person, I don't know. Either way, thanks for the heads up. If there's any other inaccuracies in there that we haven't caught, please let us know. Pinkadelica (talk) 01:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I just want to say that the theory about Paul Dorfman sending a hit man to kill Karyn was due to the fact that a lot of heat was on the Chicago mobsters because of Jack Ruby. Karyn was killed to shock the city of Chicago and steer away from the Mob. Also her father would focus on her murder and not on them. Both Paul Dorfman and Karyn Kupcinet vacationed in Palm Springs the same weekend of Kennedy's death. (Irv Kupcinet, Kup: A Man, an Era, a City and James Ellroy, Crime Wave "The Glamour Jungle." ) I think he was sort of hiding, yet Irv Kupcinet found Paul Dorfman and a plot started in his head to shock Chicago and killing Karyn would be the perfect crime. I know this can't go into the Encyclopedia, but I saw on a page about the Mob killing Karyn to scare Irv. I really think it was to shock Chicago citizens. Thank you for letting me post this on the talk page. Kc440 (talk) 22:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)