User talk:Keegan/May08-April09

OCHO CINCO!

I entered in both entries before you removed them and made me realize why they shouldn't be there. While I do understand that they may be unreliable sources, I do feel that the fact, though it may be just a rumor, is major enough that it should be included somewhere, probably while being made clear that it is only a rumor. However, I'm not particularly feeling incredibly vehement in making sure that the rumor is mentioned, and I do not mind waiting until a source like ESPN or something can confirm its veracity. --Rebelkass (talk) 06:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Rollback Request for cojoco

Hi,

I notice that there have been several vandalism edits on the Henry Jenkins page from Special:Contributions/128.250.131.73 and Special:Contributions/18.239.7.71.

I'm still learning the ropes, but believe that having rollback would assist in removing these edits.

There have also been several other bad edits from this IP address.

Can you help by giving me rollback, or offer me some advice?

Thanks! cojoco (talk) 11:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for contacting me.

After reviewing your contributions and your request, at this time I'm not inclined to grant rollback. Since you are still learning the ropes, I think it would be more to your benefit to have it once you have the ropes learned.

That being said, I'd like to point you over to Twinkle if you haven't looked into it already. It has a javascript rollback that mimics the official function, but it does not rollback on the server directly. There's much more leeway to learn vandalism fighting with that tool. You can install it into your monobook directly, or install it in the gadgets section under your preferences. Let me know if you need anything, and I'm willing to review rollback for you in a month or two once you have some practice. Happy editing. Keegan^talk 19:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough, thanks for the pointers to Twinkle cojoco (talk) 20:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

g'day keegan....

thanks for your note at my talk page - which I think probably will help... I've replied there and wondered if you'd mind dropping a copy of the page into my userspace so I can continue tweaking it? - let me know your thoughts, and thanks for your help... cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 08:29, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Patrolling

Thanks for the pointer to the new page backlog. I'm new to new page patrolling, and I've been trying to ignore articles I'm not sure of. If you see me being too inclusive or making some other faux pas, please leave a note on my talk page. Thanks, I appreciate it. -FrankTobia (talk) 05:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

New Project

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 17:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I still don't know how to work this thing...but I'm at Amy's, my phone is dead, my phone charger is at Jesse's, and I still have no luggage! Argh. I will call you when I get it all together. I miss & love you! --Suz. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.26.78.40 (talk) 17:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

The Roman aquadux in china.

Hello, Keegan. You have new messages at Steve Crossin's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

NAS/Blocking

There's a checkbox for "watch user and talk page" that's not on your screenshot. I could add it myself, but I don't want to waste time figuring out what settings you used for the text and boxes. :-)

SafeSquid (G12)

Hi, i noticed the copyvio template rather late, and before i could organize the official email from SafeSquid to be sent, it was deleted. Kindly advise me, if an official email for GNU Free Documentation License, will help now. If yes, please help me with the procedure.

Regards, Sachinpurohit (talk) 06:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I have the permission from the copyright holder, which they have also forwarded to info-en-o@wikimedia.org. Kindly bear with me and guide me to the next step. Regards, Sachinpurohit (talk) 08:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I just noticed these comments. I would say that if the article is reinstated in its previous form it should be immediately deleted again as being a spam page serving no purpose but to be a copy of marketing blurb. An article requires 3rd party reliable sources. SafeSquid certainly seems to be well known, so finding such sources and writing a proper article shouldn't be difficult. GDallimore (Talk) 10:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I realize the mistake that I did earlier, though I had referred to a few articles like Sonicwall and Websense. Will it be possible for someone to review the page I create on my sandbox, and comment on the acceptability of the content, before I can actually submit it this time? Regards Sachinpurohit (talk) 11:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Birthday

Happy Birthday, Keegan/May08-April09, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day!

America69 (talk) 01:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The traditional rfa thank you message

		Thank you for the support!
		Keegan, it is my honor to report that thanks in part to your "troppus" my third request for adminship passed (80/18/2). I appreciate the trust you and the WP community have in me, and I will endeovour to put my newly acquired mop and bucket to work for the community as a whole. Yours sincerly and respectfuly, TomStar81 (Talk) 03:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

My RFA Thanks

Thank you for your vote at my RFA, which has closed as a success. There were a number of poeple, including your good self, who had concerns about the whole coaching issue. As I read these concerns more and more, I realise that they are very good points, and do need to be addressed. I will be making some recommendations about coaching at the admin coaching page when I've got a bit of time. So this is just to say: thank you for your participation and your comments, and your comments will not be ignored. StephenBuxton (talk) 17:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 90 support, 2 oppose, and 0 neutral. All the best, Ben MacDuiTalk/Walk 20:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

moved Sea Island (British Columbia) to Sea Island, British Columbia over redirect: naming convention change

What naming convention would that be? in Wikipedia:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board/Style guide, geographical features (such as islands), use the bracket dab, while the comma convention is used for communities. --Qyd (talk) 14:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

RfB Thank You spam

Thank you for participating in my RfB! I am very grateful for the confidence of the community shown at my RfB, which passed by a count of 154/7/2 (95.65%). I have read every word of the RfB and taken it all to heart. I truly appreciate everyone's input: supports, opposes, neutrals, and comments. Of course, I plan to conduct my cratship in service of the community. If you have any advice, questions, concerns, or need help, please let me know. Again, Thanks! — Rlevse • Talk • 08:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Keegan/On administrators

“ Administrators on any Wikimedia project can also register a single user login, also known as a "global account" across the entirety of Wikimedia online projects, with the exception of private wikis such as the Foundation site, by accessing Special:MergeAccount. ”

Normal users can do this, too. I also have a global account and I'm not an administrator on any Wikipedia (yet). Admiral Norton ^(talk) 16:37, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

TKE vandalism has resumed?

FYI: The persistent vandalism chronicled here, presumably the work of TKE fraternity members, has resumed at Cooper University Hospital, a popular target for this group. A block on the Cooper article recently expired and the exact same prank edits have started up again. —Whoville (talk) 12:36, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Calgary Flames logo 1980-1994.png)

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Rollback request

Hi. Could you give me rollback? I like fighting vandals (I find it meditative). It would really increase my vandal fighting efficiency. Thanks --Bucephalus (talk) 22:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I will use my powers for good. --Bucephalus (talk) 08:08, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Hi Keegan, and thanks for supporting my successful request for adminship. It was nice to see all the kind comments I got from my supporters and I hope that I will be more useful to the community now that I have the tools again.--Berig (talk) 15:33, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

It's been a year...

... since I became an admin, thanks to your nom. I hope that I've lived up to your expectations, but please let me know if you see room for improvement. Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 12:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Hamilton County Courthouse

Keegan:

If you're still available for photographs in the Chattanooga area, we need a courthouse photo for the Hamilton County infobox. We're trying to get a courthouse photo for all the counties in Tennessee. Bms4880 (talk) 22:04, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

RE: Blagojevich

Hey there. I noticed you added a new ITN item about him; I'd like to take it down, but I'm not one of them WP:BOLD zealots; I was just wondering if you're sure you'd like to skip the discussion phase, as an item about Blagojevich has been featured before, and people questioned the notability even then. I'll also pose this question on WP:ITN/C, if you'd care to join in. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :D} 00:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

On a related note, items in Portal:Current events are not removed once they are promoted to ITN. Current events are archived in the Events by month, such as January 2009, at the bottom of P:CE. So while that item is temporarily duplicated while it is on ITN, it remains an item that happened that day after ITN removal and in the monthly archives. If there's discussion that runs counter to this idea, please point me to it. Thank you.

(It also shouldn't be removed from WP:ITN/C either. The discussions are archived as a whole after seven days.)

I agree with the promotion of the event, by the way, though I understand Spencer's comment that the article may need to be more completely updated. TransUtopian (talk) 00:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey folks, since there's two users in this talk I'll just thread this here. I promoted it to ITN on the reasoning that the removal of a state executive is, IMO, notable whether the subject himself is or not (though I'd figure it is inherent). Seemed obvious to me that this was more than Wikinews, which is why I skipped the discussion phase.

As to the portal, thanks for letting me know, I was not aware of the duplication being needed in the editing, I thought it was transcluded. Learn something new every day ;)

And lastly, I still think that it should be on the main page. While I can understand Spencer's logic in that it needs more information to make it encyclopedic and not just news, I personally don't think that anymore should or could be added to the article on the Blagojevich scandal at the time and it is a pretty descriptive article.

No matter it all, thanks for the input and the learning opportunity from all three. Keegan^talk 06:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I unhided. At the time of posting, the item's short paragraph in the intro had no refs. Now there is more mention of the removal as a whole in the article, with a lot of refs. Spencer^T♦C 11:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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Appreciate the comment

Hey Keegan. I just wanted to thank you for what I thought was a well-reasoned and insightful comment on my RfA. I appreciate both the comments of support and respect for the other side of the argument. FlyingToaster 22:10, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:Mistakes

Thanks for your note. I've sometimes told people who are casual readers of wikipedia that beneath that calm exterior lies a raging torrent of emotions and viewpoints. It's kind of amazing, but maybe it shouldn't be, given that it's "the encyclopedia any bozo can edit". Me included. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Weatherman (organization)

Since you said you are on the "opposite side of the fence of me" I thought you might be a neutral voice in a brewing edit war on the Weatherman page. Cheers. Bytebear (talk) 01:51, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Anita Hudacsek

The Anita Blond article doesn't mention an official site, so could you tell me where her bio says that this is her real name? Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 07:07, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I've taken some of the info from that and cited it with the link you provided. Dismas|^(talk) 07:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks--and can you also

Delete these two revisions permanently?

[1] and [2]?

Bongomatic 07:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that the article needs its history deleted, its not a BLP problem and I think your cleanup works just fine. Keegan^talk 07:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

OK thanks. Bongomatic 07:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC) I'll watch for replies here—no {{talkback}} or other talk page message needed.

hmm... indeed

Thanks for the consideration, Keegan. I appreciate your interest. I was approached about adminship about six months back. At that time, I decided that I hadn't yet explored enough of the policy and behind-the-scenes areas to be completely comfortable. And was busy with some "real life" writing projects, as well. So I deferred making any decision until springtime. Looking out the window now, I see the sun is shining, the trees are budding, and -- even though it snowed only two days ago -- it appears that Spring has finally arrived. (Sometimes hard to tell in Denmark). During the past six months, in between editing, I've checked out most of the admin hotspots, determined policies, filed reports, given opinions, etc. etc. -- you know the drill -- and I have no doubts I can do the tasks. Other than the technical nuts and bolts, it all comes down to following guidelines, creating discussion and determining consensus. Pretty much common sense stuff, really. However... during those months, I also observed the huge quantity of drama, games and overall crap that is played out back stage. A lot of it I would describe as petty bickering. And far too much of that is distracting, unnecessary and only peripherally related to the overall project. Any hesitation I have about adminship is due to my reluctance to be drawn into soap operas. Like everybody, I like the time I donate to WP to be productive - and any backroom gamesmanship certainly isn't, in my opinion. So I am still mulling this thing over. Let me ask you: How do you feel about the drama? Is my perception wrong? If not, do you find the drama necessary? Or, in your experience, how easily does one avoid it? — CactusWriter | ^needles 10:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

That's a nice response. I knew that after 3+ years you must experienced the variety of WP (good and bad). I'm glad to hear that drama isn't compulsory. And I'm also glad to hear that you didn't feel compelled to involve yourself in every (or any particular) area of administration; were able to maintain some independence; and have kept that necessary modicum of perspective that comes from distance. That is important to me, as well. Reading a few pages of longtime users, it appears loss of independence is the single biggest reason they give for avoiding adminship -- the lack of time for writing while having to stamp out endless small fires. As you correctly implied, I tend to wander around on WP. I write, edit, work on Wikipedia:WikiProject Films, maintain the Wikipedia:Requested articles/Biographies page -- and then follow a myriad links to discussions and userpages -- which can lead to PRODs, Afds, SSI, AIV, etc. -- and then back to writing again. In other words, I'm not focused on an particular area. I'm not a gunslinger on vandal patrol. I tend to work at pace - and take action as requested or needed wherever I find myself that day. That's enjoyable and I would expect to continue that way even with the tools. I'd undoubtedly just linger longer at CSD or Afd or such to lend another hand. If, as you say, the admin package is more about trust rather than need, I would foresee no problem with accepting a nom. I'll think more about it and get back to you next week. Cheers — CactusWriter | ^needles 11:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Keegan. Just wanted to let you know that I hadn't forgotten about this. I thought I would take you up on your offer when I had a week's time available. Unfortunately, I haven't really found a good stretch of free time yet. And possibly won't until summer. Simply too much on the home front. If a window of opportunity pops open, than I'll give you a shout -- and if you're available at that time, than great. And if not, than no worries. Just wanted to keep in touch. — CactusWriter | ^needles 13:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Question

Does this mean that everything that is wrong is that admins refuse to discuss blocks with non-admin? Because we all know that it is true and how most admin operate. Ottava Rima (talk) 03:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I am going to do my best to give this as much of a thought out reply as possible, so it might be lengthy. It might not. We'll see where my mind goes.

I don't edit much these days. Work takes up most of my mental stress and I just read for the most part these days. I still read practically everything, and I'm familiar with your vocalness of what would have to be described as the minority side. Not wrong or against consensus, but you are generally disagreed with on most issues.

I am all for that. I enjoy reading your thoughts, though they generally disagree with mine, because I would much rather hear from people that disagree with me than agree. That encourages thinking and that's a hobby of mine.

I would have supported your request for adminship. I nominated Walton One twice for the bit, and I disgree with him on every single issue we have discussed.

So what it comes down to is what I perceive to be a snarky reply to that question. You have been pushed around by users before when in discussion because they said in other terms that "I'm an admin and you are not. So you are wrong." That is not appropriate, and sometimes those users were admonished for acting that way. It is unbecoming conduct. So to say what you did, that you would use it as leverage, is wrong and you know it. Administrating is just doing the job as laid out, not a caste. Again, you know this.

I had hope for your RfA when I saw it in the contents. I was disappointed by how you chose to present yourself. For the time you've spent reading RfA, you had to know how that would go and how your answers would be received. Seriousness and practicality is what I look for in a candidate, and you did not expose it with this application.

Long story short: you didn't have to say you'd be a dick back to the people who have for so long been dicks to you. Keegan^talk 04:12, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S. I disagree with your premise that that is how most admins operate. Of the 600~800 active admins, only about 30 act that way. And they disgrace us all with their drama. Most admin action goes about quietly in the dark without issue, as it should. Perhaps you should shy away from typecasting and realize that some people caste their type. Keegan^talk 04:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I have been in many discussions with admin stating that I'm not an admin so they could ignore me on the issue, so I speak from experience. :) Normally, the admin who re willing to listen to someone like me don't get into the situations in which someone like me has to be vocal. By the way, my answers were serious, so if you felt that they weren't, then so be it. The only times that I mentioned "leverage" is for unblocking discussions, advocating during ban discussions, and ArbCom enforcement. None of those situations can really be said to put me into the position of using the admin ops to threaten anyone. Quite the contrary, they would be using it to justify that I should be listened to as a fellow admin with the ability to unblock if necessary. Where have I stated anything about being a dick to anyone? (Also, if you want to continue this just on my page, that is fine with me). Ottava Rima (talk) 04:27, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Using status as an admin in any discussion is being a dick, in my opinion. I wouldn't do so. I will explain actions I have taken as carring out an administrative task, but not to use it as leverage. As you agree with me that admins have used the hat to ignore you before and that this is wrong, I cannot imagine that you would think that being an admin would or should give your argument in a discussion more weight. It never should for any user, and it is tragic that people both behave and read the context in such regard. That you are willing to think as such is just as tragic. My opinion, you asked for it, and frankly I don't care to continue discussing this. Keegan^talk 05:01, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for blocking an account

Thanks for looking at the account vandalising Parkwood and blocking it today. Although the user will probably just create another account some dubious material was also started on Norwood Secondary College, which I just edited (relating to supposed closure). Neilwall (talk) 08:54, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I suggest that you check your facts

I suggest that you check your facts before making accusations like this again. --Malleus Fatuorum 17:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Rhetorical question

It wasn't, but perhaps it should have been. -GTBacchus^(talk) 13:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that AN is probably not the place to try and converse with people about how to effectively resolve disputes. However, there ought to be a place where we can have that conversation. Does that make sense? -GTBacchus^(talk) 16:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Keegan^talk 19:08, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Request for extended block.

Hello Keegan. You recently blocked 67.170.233.115 for 24 hours for persistent vandalism, and I'm so glad you did. The IP racked-up 46 counts of vandalism in just under an hour, and only stopped because you blocked him. I'm here requesting you extend the block's duration by eight years. Okay, so that's not going to happen, but I do seriously think Wikipedia should be free from this vandal for far more than a day. Thanks and cheers. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 05:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Question

Hi. Was writing "oppose" a typo or a joke? :) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Heapin' helpin' o' rollback, please

Hello again Keegan. I saw on your userpage that you're willing to grant rollback rights to us not-yet-admins. Well, may I have rollback, please? I already use Twinkle, but I read that the rollback feature is faster. So, what says you? Cheers. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 07:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Keegan! I promise I'll use rollback responsibly. Er, but I am kinda curious as to why my rollback is only tentative. Well, cheers. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 08:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh okay, I understand. For a moment I thought you were singling me out or something. I was beginning to develop an inferiority complex! (kidding) Anyway, as I'm writing this, I haven't used rollback yet (except when I tested it at Wikipedia:New admin school/Deleting/delete), but I'm sure I'll have a chance soon enough. Well thanks again for granting me rollback and cheers to you! -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 09:48, 29 April 2009 (UTC)