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WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - November 2010

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Wykeham

Hi. I noticed that you split Wykeham into two about 2 years ago. As far as I can see, they are both the same. What were you thinking of at the time? mr-c (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC).

There are 2 places named Wykeham in North Yorkshire. The second one in Ryedale district is near to Malton, North Yorkshire and in Malton civil parish. It is at SE815752. Keith D (talk) 22:33, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I know where you mean, it's near Eden camp mr-c (talk) 08:17, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Rail gauge specification

Please add rail gauge specifications. See template: RailGauge:

• 59.06, 59.06in and 59.06" are really {{RailGauge/imperial|ft=4|in=11|num=1|den=16|lk={{{lk}}}|disp={{{disp}}}|mm=1500}}.
• 59.843, 59.843in and 59.843" are really {{RailGauge/imperial|ft=4|in=11|num=5|den=6|lk={{{lk}}}|disp={{{disp}}}|mm=1520}}.
• 76.575, 76.575in and 76.575" are really {{RailGauge/imperial|ft=6|in=4|num=23|den=40|lk={{{lk}}}|disp={{{disp}}}|mm=1945}}.
• 1980, 1,980 mm (6 ft 6 in), 1.98 and 1.98m are really {{RailGauge/metric|mm=1980|lk={{{lk}}}|disp={{{disp}}}|ft=6|in=5|num=19|den=20}}.
• 77.95, 77.95in and 77.95" are really {{RailGauge/imperial|ft=6|in=5|num=19|den=20|lk={{{lk}}}|disp={{{disp}}}|mm=1980}}.
• 1981 and 1981mm are really {{RailGauge/metric|mm=1981|lk={{{lk}}}|disp={{{disp}}}|ft=6|in=6|num=|den=}}.
• 78, 6 ft 6 in (1,981 mm), 6 ft 6 in (1,981 mm), 6 ft 6 in (1,981 mm) and 6 ft 6 in (1,981 mm) are really {{RailGauge/imperial|ft=6|in=6|num=|den=|lk={{{lk}}}|disp={{{disp}}}|mm=1981}}.

121.102.122.122 (talk) 12:09, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I am currently trying to catchup from my week away and will get round to it when time permits. Though I must warn against adding to many options to the template is getting near to breaking point, I have already had to redo it to avoid using the convert template as that caused server problem with the amount of code to be processed. Keith D (talk) 12:22, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

OK I have now added these entries. Sorry for the delay. Keith D (talk) 20:16, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Please correct.

• 76.575, 76.575in and 76.575" are really {{RailGauge/imperial|ft=6|in=4|num=23|den=40|lk={{{lk}}}|disp={{{disp}}}|mm=1945}}.
• 77.95, 77.95in and 77.95" are really {{RailGauge/imperial|ft=6|in=5|num=19|den=20|lk={{{lk}}}|disp={{{disp}}}|mm=1980}}.
• 78, 6 ft 6 in (1,981 mm), 6 ft 6 in (1,981 mm), 6 ft 6 in (1,981 mm) and 6 ft 6 in (1,981 mm) are really {{RailGauge/imperial|ft=6|in=6|num=|den=|lk={{{lk}}}|disp={{{disp}}}|mm=1981}}.

121.102.122.122 (talk) 09:46, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Yorks & Humber G.O.

Hi Keith, Yes,the Y & H G. O. is a bit unclear as to where they are, so I emailed to find out. I await their reply with bated breath.--Harkey (talk) 10:58, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Reply has arrived:-

The Government Office for Yorkshire and The Humber address is:

Lateral

8 City Walk

Leeds

LS11 9AT

However you might want to note that the Government has announced its intention to abolish Government Offices no later than 31 March 2011

--Harkey (talk) 12:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Wonder why their website gives Wakefield, may be they do not want anyone to find them!.

Keith D (talk) 12:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Chris Grayling

Where is your 'third party' reference that says Chris Grayling is Catholic? Not only is this article grossly biased against Chris Grayling, but it also holds incorrect information. Chris Grayling is Anglican because I know him personally myself. Evidence that he is Catholic? Abucha1 (talk) 22:14, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

That is the established state of the article, changing what is established needs to have some sort of reference so that we can verify that the established state is wrong. Can you supply anything other than personal knowledge for this change? Keith D (talk) 22:19, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

By the way I must also point you at conflict of interest if you intend to do any other changes to this article. Keith D (talk) 22:21, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Rosedale

Hi there. I wondered if the page Rosedale Priory should actually just be a redirect to the existing Rosedale Abbey. What do you think? If so, in general is it considered best to put this up for deletion or just add the redirect? I guess the advantage of the redirect is you don't break any links.

mr-c (talk) 23:17, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Looks like the abbey article is for the village rather than the priory. All of the priories, and similar, have just been created as a series that do not say much as yet so I would probably keep them separate and add the info from the village article to the priory article. If you decide on a redirect then better to keep the history of the article & change it to a redirect. The change can be undone when the article comes to be expanded. Keith D (talk) 00:07, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Andy Wear (artist) for deletion

A discussion has begun about whether the article Andy Wear (artist), which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andy Wear (artist) until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

You may edit the article during the discussion, including to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. The-Pope (talk) 06:34, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

River Hull article

Hi Keith, I visited Hull History Centre yesterday, and found start and end dates for the Ennerdale Link tunnel, but no pictures. The only one I have seen is on the UWE Groundwater Case Studies article. (I was not sure that the Yorkshire Assessment page was the right place to continue this discussion). Bob1960evens (talk) 13:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

schools

Hi Keith D. This is a generic message so please bear with me if you are already aware of the situation. In early September changes were made to an infobox template that affected the display of hundreds of school crests/logos in the UK schools infobox. This is now being taken care of and you may find the discussions on this page interesting: Template talk:Infobox UK school, do however leave a message here or here if you come across any that are still not displaying correctly.
If you are still actively interested in schools and would like to help out on school pages and school templates, you may wish to consider joining the WP:WPSCHOOLS project where you can also stay abreast of developments by adding its talk page to your watchlist. Happy editing!--Kudpung (talk) 02:46, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Keith! Thanks for that rapid message on UK Sch template - seems my message above is redundant. However, I was amazed to see that there are over 3,000 pages using it. We have other probs too on UK sch pages - our cousins across the pond have used, in GF, university infoboxes on UK schools that use the word college in their name, and there are plenty of other schools that are using the wrong box or a generic one. I'm not sure how to make lists like that so I have a base to work through - can you help me make some, or tell me how to do it? Is it simply a question of using the toolserver? Many thanks in advance, --Kudpung (talk) 03:10, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Not quite sure how to get lists, may be get full list of schools under Category:Schools in the United Kingdom and then see which of those are using a different template. Have you got a list of other templates? Keith D (talk) 10:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Here are the templates. There are also some UK school articles written in GF by our cousins across the pond that use univerity infoboxes because of the transalantic confusion over the word college - some of them will even have university stubs on them.

• {{Infobox Aust school}}
• {{Infobox Aust school private}}
• {{Infobox Education in Canada}}
• {{Infobox Irish school}}
• {{Infobox NZ school}}
• {{Infobox Singapore School}}
• {{Infobox UK school}}

--Kudpung (talk) 10:49, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I forgot these:

• {{Infobox school}}
• {{Infobox secondary school}}

Kudpung (talk) 13:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I think I can use AWB for the job - will have a look when the Yorkshire tagging run completes - 3994 articles left to look at. Keith D (talk) 13:25, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, AWB - shame it doesn't work on Mac :( Kudpung (talk) 13:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

That does not appear to work very well as Category:Member schools of the Headmasters' and Headmistresses' Conference causes non-UK schools to appear under Category:Schools in the United Kingdom. Keith D (talk) 18:32, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Most of them are zero apart from -

Keith D (talk) 19:14, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

My apologies Keith - I had missed it! Over 5,000 pages on my watchlist, and I actually started pruning it last night. so thanks for giving me the nudge on my tp. Even more enormous thanks for making the lists for me. I will be able now to correct some things that have been bothering me for months. I was in fact busy making some lists too - with 300 members, there are in fact only two who are actually maintaining the project pages and I seem to be the only one doing any pan-project work! The next thing is to send a newsletter to all those members - I seem to remember you once telling me you know how to do that with a bot. Many thanks again for all your help.--Kudpung (talk) 02:14, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi again. I've now created this pageand started work. If you have time, please check it out and make any suggestions and criticisms. Thanks.Kudpung (talk) 05:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Restoration of categories

I am disappointed to see that you have ignored the consensus reached by the project community here. I will now revert them. Please direct any further comments to the project page where the community may respond. Lamberhurst (talk) 08:44, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I only restored the categories to the category page after someone else had restored the category to the set of articles. Keith D (talk) 13:03, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Acomb Primary School

Hi Keith.Thank you for cleaning up after my merge & redirect. Gives me 2 things to remember for the future. WP:SCHOOLS does not have a redirect class for it's banner, so I'll look into it and see if I can fix the banner template.--Kudpung (talk) 18:31, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

List of landslides

Keith D - please look at the discussion I started at Talk:List of landslides and join in. Thanks, Argyriou (talk) 18:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Handball templates

Hi Keith! Thanks for taking interest in handball related templates. If the football project decided to eliminate {{fb start}} and {{fb end}}, I'm sure it would be a good decision for handball too. So go ahead and change whatever you feel necessary :) Aikurn (talk) 12:53, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Henry Bessemer

I took off the assignment tag; the editor who added it marked it "Expires Wednesday" and many Wednesdays have gone by since March 1, 2010. People who make markings like this should clean up after themselves; we're all so chuffed someone is using the Wikipedia in a classroom none of the regulars will remove the tag. --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:13, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I had not investigated the tag. Keith D (talk) 19:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

River Hull again

Hi Keith, I notice that you have made several improvements to the River Hull article recently. I have just expanded the lead, and am thinking of submitting it for Good Article Nomination. I wondered if you had any comments. Bob1960evens (talk) 16:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Well done on the article, I would go for a GA submission, though I would wait a few days until the BOT gets round to sorting out the Images of England links. They restructured things yesterday and broke all article that reference the site, also the Heritage Gateway site search cannot locate the items. You can get to them if you know the ID number so someone has put in a BOT request to make URL changes so the links work again.

I have doubts about the date for the new bridge opening as there was little progress on it when I ventured that way in November and with the bad weather I would guess that this will slip significantly. Keith D (talk) 17:45, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

May be a real map would be a useful addition to the article if one could be produced. May be Nilfanion could help as he has produced the recent ones for the {{Infobox UK place}}. See User:Nilfanion/Maps for details and requests. Keith D (talk) 22:36, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Looks like the images of England web site has been reverted back and the IoE links are working again at the moment. Keith D (talk) 13:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Yorkshire cricketers

Hi. There were several fairly important Yorkshire cricketers who were not in the Yorkshire project: Wilfred Rhodes, George Macaulay and George Hirst. I've added a banner to each of them; 2 are already FAs and the third is a mess, so the quality is easy enough. However, I'm not sure how they would rate on the importance scale for the Yorkshire project, so I've left them a little vague and feel free to change that. Cheers. --Sarastro1 (talk) 23:53, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I have not got round to tagging biography articles for the project just done a few as I have come across them. Keith D (talk) 00:05, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

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page moves

Hi Keith. Maybe none of my business, but you may wish to check this user's good faith contribs because you guys at Yokrs may have different ideas how you want your pages renamed.--Kudpung (talk) 14:51, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, becoming a nuisance and disruptive with their move requests. I have already closed the second move request on Carlisle, Cumbria in a month. Keith D (talk) 15:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Larkin

I apologise for making work on the Larkin articles. I looked at them in the summer and noticed they were deteriorating. Ihate to see articles on a poet using so many superfluous words.--J3Mrs (talk) 17:58, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I have continually been trying to tidy up from the IP edits of user LarkinToad2010, others have tried to sort out some of the edits they have made on a number of articles. Keith D (talk) 18:03, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Well I doubt the IP will approve of the copyedit but I haven't got rid if any info on Larkin 25. If anything I think now it has too many refs!--J3Mrs (talk) 18:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Just spotted this section as I placed the message below. See:- disruptive edits to Larkin Memorial Section on the Philip Larkin Talk Page. I took umbrage at his knocking of J3Mrs. I have also tagged his unsigned ANON messages as 'AKA LarkinToad2010', to match his sockpuppet list. Would it be possible to semi protect the articles he disrupts to prevent anon IP edits? Richard Harvey (talk) 18:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

• Just a quick message to advise that LT has now been blocked 'indef' by Nancy, see here Talk page, so beware of his anon sock editing. Richard Harvey (talk) 12:29, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Wetherby

Could you take a look at the Sports section of this article. I feel it is getting a bit promotional for the clubs listed, especially the Golf club onem which reads more like an advert. I can be a bit brutal with what I perceive to be spam, so felt it better to get your input with it being in your area! :) Richard Harvey (talk) 18:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

East Hull article

I made the original move in case a future article is created on East Hull City Farm. Simply south (talk) 19:15, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

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