User talk:Ken Gallager/Archive 9

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Kinsman Range article edits

Hi, Ken. Great to see you jumping in here. Indeed, I was surprised there was no article on the range when I saw it not even Red-linked at the White Mtn. page.

As for Moosilauke, I too thought Kinsman was the tallest in the range and even originally composed the page that way, later seeing Moosilauke included here: http://4000footers.com/range_kinsman.shtml, and changing the article to reflect it.

Just made some edits at the Cannon Mtn. page. The whole time I was doing it I was thinking "These better be good: Ken Gallager patrols this page...." ;) Best. Wikiuser100 (talk) 13:17, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Wow! Your edits are greatly appreciated. Of course I forgot to check my AMC guide while I had the chance. --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Request

Would you mind taking a look at United States presidential election in Vermont, 1964? Thanks. Student7 (talk) 19:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I've taken a look, and I think I'll stay out of the differences you're having with the other editor. My knowledge of Vermont politics is very slight, and I don't think I'd be able to add anything of value at this point. --Ken Gallager (talk) 20:03, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll bring this closer to home on an article I have not edited: United States presidential election in New Hampshire, 1984. These appear to be "cookie cutter" text templates, the same for each article. Now it's not a matter of getting a neutral outside opinion, but moving the general stuff to a higher level article. All New England appears to be the same material. That is, pointing out the political "value" or discrepancies of the campaigners in the low-level state article. United States presidential election in Maine, 1984, United States presidential election in Massachusetts, 1984.

And United States presidential election in New York, 1964, United States presidential election in Massachusetts, 1964. This seems beyond a neutral source. I would appreciate your suggestions on how to deal with it.

Not unnoticed

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	For tireless efforts to make useful improvements on the List of islands of Maine ElijahBosley (talk ☞) 12:08, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Spaulding and Frost

Hi Ken. I'm trying to write an article for the old Spaulding and Frost cooperage in Fremont (User:Ishdarian/Spaulding_and_Frost_cooperage). I seem to have hit a roadblock, though. I'm having a hard time finding additional sources for the cooperage. I'm planning on stopping by the Fremont Historical Society next time it's open, but I was wondering if you had an other ideas for where I could look for sources other than Google/GNews/GScholar. Any help would be very much appreciated! Ishdarian 14:11, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi - I don't do a lot of historical research, but have you looked at the NH Historical Society webpage? You can check out their online catalog. Using "Fremont" and "Spaulding" as keywords, I came across a couple possible sources. Definitely the town's historical society is a good idea as well. Good luck! --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:29, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

One of the books that has been eluding me is on file at the NHHS library. Time for a trip to Concord, I suppose :) Thank you very much for your help! Ishdarian 20:17, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Logoly State Park

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Removed copied text and rewrote. --Ken Gallager (talk) 18:42, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Update last sentence of David Borden page

You or someone may want to update the last sentence of the David Borden (politician) Wikipedia page that now reads: "In his hometown of New Castle, where he lives with Nancy, his wife of 36 years, and their dog, Timmy, he serves on the town budget and energy committees."

Of course the years will continually change unless there is a way in Wikipedia to have an automatically incremented counter. They no longer have Timmy, but have a new dog, whose name I forget. And his mix of Town offices now includes the Trustees of Trust Funds. By the way his home page (oursustainabenh.com) is inaccessible as I write this, as the domain registration expired on June 26th.

Jim Cerny 24.61.217.251 (talk) 14:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jim - Thanks for the updates. I've made changes based on what you suggested, which makes them unfortunately a bit less detailed but also less apt to going out of date. You are always welcome to make edits to articles yourself! If you would like to practice some first, you can use the WP:Sandbox to see how things look. Best wishes, --Ken Gallager (talk) 17:01, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you, and please feel welcome to continue contributing to Wikipedia. Happy editing! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about this. I can hardly believe that an editor of your experience would be copying stuff into Wikipedia, but that's the way it looks. I hope, of course, to find that I'm wrong. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

It's okay, and thank you for the personal note. I found it in an article for the neighboring town and decided to put it in its own article but did not trace down the source of the original text. Feel free to take the text down if necessary. If we could leave the new article as a stub I would appreciate it. --Ken Gallager (talk) 19:18, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and cut it down to the bare bones on the temp page linked above. --Ken Gallager (talk) 19:30, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)OK, thanks for the clarification. It's now listed at WP:CP and will sit there for a minimum of 5 days, probably longer. I have to ask: do you think there might be other articles where you might've done the same? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Nothing recent enough to remember. This experience will lead me to do a little due diligence on any pre-existing text I work with in the future. --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:58, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Sableuse River

Hi Dad, I decided to do some New Page Patrol today, and came across this article: Sableuse River. Did we ever go past it when we went to Quebec? If so, did you get any pictures of it that we could scan and add? If not, do you want to head up to Quebec at all this summer? Just some random inspiration... Cooljeanius (talk) (contribs) 16:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, up near the Gaspé Peninsula, eh? I wouldn't mind doing that sometime, but probably not this summer. -- Dad (talk) 17:55, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Quotes in List of New Hampshire Historical Markers

Hi Ken, I saw your edit where you reversed the changes I had made to the text at List of New Hampshire Historical Markers (226–250). You are right that if those are quotes, I shouldn't have made those changes. I had no idea that they were quotes though and they are not attributed. I see the same in the other articles in that series. The text is in italics, but the MoS is pretty clear that we should not do that to indicate quotes. I'd be happy to help go through and put quote marks around those if you think that is a good idea. Thanks, SchreiberBike talk 22:08, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for getting in touch. I don't think I ever realized that the articles don't say anywhere that the texts are quotes from the markers. If you'd like to change the format to quotations, that would be fine. Any text you want to add at the beginning of the page ("The markers read as follows:" or something similar) would be welcome too. I can pitch in too once I see how you'd like to proceed. --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:20, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I've looked around the web in general and at New Hampshire Division of Historical Resources specifically and haven't been able to find the text of the markers on line. Some of the more recent ones are available here. How did you get the text? If you got them from actually looking at the markers, we could make the markers themselves the source. I'm open to any suggestions. SchreiberBike talk 19:56, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

NHDHR used to have the texts directly on their website. Now you have to use their Google-based map and click on the photo for each marker. A couple of them are just blurry enough that I haven't been able to decipher certain dates. Field checking them is a good excuse for a road trip but not something I've set aside any time for at the moment.... --Ken Gallager (talk) 20:03, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Please review the changes I've made here where I've changed from italics to quotes, including changing the now nested quotes to single quote marks, and added citations for the last three markers. I've also found this page which has the photos of the markers in an easier to use format. Please review the changes I've made so far, and I can gradually start to work on others.SchreiberBike talk 17:53, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I think it looks good. Thanks for getting started on this. How would you feel about removing the indents for the text? Not the town or city line, just for the quoted text. I tried it on a screen's worth of the page and liked it a bit better (but didn't save). If you don't think it's worth it, no problem. --Ken Gallager (talk) 18:19, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

State name and town name in info boxes

Hey I noted a few edits to Kentucky townname info boxes with the state name with the town. I did take a peek at the WP:MOS and found nothing that says its required, if anything since the article title has the state name, the article lead, has the state name, the article template, has the state name, of all things, the info box, with the state map, and the state name below in the details, do you think the state name should be there as well...seems to be a tad repetitive or overkill.........your input is welcome as there are literlly thousnds of these for the state of KY aloneCoal town guy (talk) 23:55, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree that it's not a requirement one way or the other, but since most of the town names are pretty common, it seems strange to me to see just the name without any modifier ("Dayton", "Bethel", etc.). The fact is, everyone's eyes look different places on an article, so it's helpful to have things repeated here and there. For me, it's looking at the name in bold in the infobox and wondering why the state name isn't there. My original goal was to go through the cities and CDPs and make sure their populations and areas were correct, but then I dipped into the unincorporated places and started seeing names to fix. You're right, it's not my prime goal at this point. --Ken Gallager (talk) 00:29, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Organists

Seeing as you use the {{user organist}} userbox, I was wondering, do you ever edit any articles about organists here on Wikipedia? I came across the first article I've ever seen about an organist from New Hampshire today: Gaston Allaire. Know of any others? Cooljeanius (talk) (contribs) 14:36, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Not very often. Sometimes I check organists' names to see if there's anyone whose music I should be playing. --Ken Gallager (talk) 14:53, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Capitalization of lists of New Hampshire historical markers

Hello Ken, Back when I was working on the markers pages it occurred to me that "historical marker" in the article titles really shouldn't be capitalized. It's not a proper noun in this context and a look at other similar article titles shows that most do not capitalize (but a few do). What do you think? Since you've put the lion's share of work into these articles, I thought I'd check with you before making any changes. Thanks, SchreiberBike talk 05:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

It's amazing the things we don't see when they're right out in the open! I agree with you that "historical markers" should not be capitalized. The NHDHR page for them places them in lower case when used in sentences, so it's not like they're some sort of special named item. Thanks for checking! --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I'll start on that soon. Keep up the good work. SchreiberBike talk 19:50, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

List of the poorest places in the United States

Ken:

I'm wondering if we should move this article to List of places with the lowest household income in the United States, or some similar variation. It's hard to quantify "poor". Bms4880 (talk) 20:13, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I've not been very happy with this article since I've discovered it. The census income data is really not intended to be used in a place-by-place comparison, especially since they switched over to the American Community Survey so that now the data is collected and estimated over a five-year period. My same reservations extend to the List of highest-income places in the United States as well. That said, I agree with you that we should at least move this article. How about List of lowest-income places in the United States, to match the high-income article? Thanks for getting in touch. --Ken Gallager (talk) 20:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I've opened a move request discussion on the article's talk page. Bms4880 (talk) 22:12, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Polly's Pancake Parlor

FYI. Ordinarily I would not have added the long quotes but the article was tagged for notability. So, in case the tagger did not know of the importance of James Beard, I wanted it perfectly clear. It worked, tag was removed. So tyvm for removing the quotes. Postcard Cathy (talk) 18:31, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Article title coloration

The documentation for the colored article title gadget I have on that you were asking about can be found at User:Pyrospirit/metadata. Cheers! Cooljeanius (talk) (contribs) 21:40, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

"Station #4 of the Derry Fire Department is located in the village"

I know it does not. Just wondering what path there might be in resolving the example. Some might say that sequence is the rule: village before station: "In the village is located Station #4 of the Derry Fire Department." Sometimes when I change it that way there are responses from some that it is too long. But then I guess it all matters on weather one is a single ply two purchaser. In the long run it really does not make much difference between the two unless, I guess, one is going the private college route and there are far more perspective students than open slots. I can hear the review committee chair saying, "Well, we have one open slot remaining and two applicants with similar grades, recommendations, interests, experiences and aspirations so the decision will be difficult." Then another member barks up, "But one is sequentially correct!" ...... As an inside joke let us see how long that phrase lasts? I have known a few edit warrings to erupt over sequence in a film plot usually in situations when a fact becomes known later in the film and the presumption that it was done, and thus known, came earlier although it was never shown or said at the previous time and merely speculation until presented and confirmed later in the film.66.74.176.59 (talk) 21:11, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm really not following you here. "Contains" just seemed wrong to me, as if the village were a carton. You can keep trying other wordings, I'm not heavily invested in any particular one, but the result has to not be convoluted. --Ken Gallager (talk) 02:26, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Irish American Population

What source exactly did you use to get the 33 million and 9.6%, because I can't find those numbers anywhere.

I'm changing format because I don't understand why he format changed all of a sudden, and I feel that having more Irish Americans from today's day that are currently alive or were alive more recently featured. Most people viewing the Irish American page would be more familiar with those shown in my edits, and get a better idea of my peoples' culture and what we are about. I'm a full blooded, staunch Irish American. I grew up looking up JFK, Ronald Reagan, John L. Sullivan, and others, and I'm not even completely familiar with everyone shown in the new update. I think the edits I made would make the page more interesting.

User:Chicago1997 — Preceding undated comment added 00:30, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

That's the format I keep using but it still gets reverted. User:Chicago1997 — Preceding undated comment added 21:07, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, and I appreciate the understanding. Merry Christmas and God bless!

User: Chicago1997 — Preceding undated comment added 21:40, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Bristol Blues

Thanks for correcting my cut-and-paste error, and I'm glad someone else is reviewing these pages. (The Blues to play in Nashua? I wish!) The .png file referenced by {{FCBL Labelled Map}} needs to be updated (including having Nashua move to the East Division), and I am probably not the best one to do it; in addition, my location of Bristol might not be accurate. Spike-from-NH (talk) 14:16, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I took a look at the labelled map and determined the only thing I can change are the text labels, not the dots, which appear to be on a static image that someone made. Redoing that is a bit outside my skill level, unfortunately. --Ken Gallager (talk) 14:35, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

I am able to do this, but not perfectly (for example, when I removed Old Orchard Beach, I also removed part of the shoreline and had to redraw it). Have asked Pharos04 to do it better if he wishes. Spike-from-NH (talk) 15:11, 22 December 2014 (UTC)