KetchupSalt

Blood and honour

What we have there is a claim in Wikipedia voice that a neo-Nazi group is active in multiple countries, based solely on a citation to their own website. That's not how we do WP:PRIMARY. We can rely on a company's own website for trivial details like where it is headquartered, but we do not make broad claims about the extent of fascist groups based on their own claims - it needs a reliable, independent, secondary source to establish both truth and significance.

Nazis are bad. We don't take anything they say at face value. Guy (help! - typo?) 10:29, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

We can rely on a company's own website for trivial details like where it is headquartered This is entirely my point though. I have no doubt you'll find at least some B&H losers in every Western country. But I don't feel strongly either way, plus perhaps it's WP:UNDUE and finally secondary sources would indeed be better. KetchupSalt (talk) 21:30, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

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WikiLinking media relating to historical events and persons seems to be allowed as far as I can tell, no? See for example Woody Guthrie being mentioned in the page on Lyudmila Pavlichenko. I had in mind to title the section "In popular culture" but "In music" was shorter. Perhaps Rovics isn't notable enough for a wikilink though, but he is notable enough to have his own page. KetchupSalt (talk) 23:09, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

There can be some leeway under WP:BLUE for figures as widespread as Pavlichenko but generally there should be a non-primary source for anything not entirely uncontroversial, as Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information so sources must not only demonstrate that something exists but also that it is important enough to include in the first place.

Lyudmila Pavlichenko#In popular culture has been updated accordingly. Orchastrattor (talk) 00:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. KetchupSalt (talk) 12:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

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