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Proposed deletion of Kit Houses of Ypsilanti, Michigan

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I don't think it would be appropriate to list a bunch of addresses of private homes on WP even if the subject were encyclopedic.

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Nomination of Kit Houses of Ypsilanti, Michigan for deletion

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Proposed deletion of Kit Houses of Ann Arbor, Michigan

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I don't think a list of addresses of private homes would be appropriate for Wikipedia to host even if the subject were encyclopedic (coverage in the most local of local newspapers, distributed free to all residents of Ann Arbor, won't cut it).

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Nomination of Kit Houses of Ann Arbor, Michigan for deletion

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A suggestion...

Having a think about it, I suspect part of the problem here is the creation of articles about kit houses in distinct geographical areas small enough so that the subject of kit homes in those areas is really only of interest to people in those areas. Perhaps it would be more worth your while creating an article that deals with kit houses on a scale that might be considered of value to readers, backed by a wider range of sources. It strikes me that while the Ypsi and Ann articles might not have enough sources each, those sources combined might allow for the creation of quite a good article focused on Kit houses in Michigan as a fork from the well-sourced Kit houses in North America.

There are numerous kit home companies that were based in Michigan, such that their manufacture in Michigan probably has a unique history of its own. That would allow you to cover kit houses in both places (and others) as well as the history of the multiple Bay City brands. You're fighting what is likely to be a losing battle (honestly, the local sources just aren't strong enough and trying to stretch and strain them to a point where they might be is just going to produce two weak articles in the long term). Why not create one great article and redirect those two titles there? Stalwart111 02:44, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

I just came back from a walk and had the same thoughts myself while I was out. You are correct that Michigan was homes to several of the main companies and the relevance of the kit homes nationally is well-established. Folding these into an article focused on this topic at a statewide level was the same thought I had while I was out.

I certainly wouldn't have any objection to supporting a redirect of both articles to that new title on that basis. Would you like me to start a new stub article at that title? Stalwart111 03:27, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that would be fine with me.Kithousefans (talk) 03:54, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

I thought it might be a good idea to check with Roscelese who had concerns about the original articles. He, quite appropriately, queried whether (even with a Michigan focus) the subject would be notable enough. So I've created a user draft at User:Stalwart111/Kit houses in Michigan for his (and your) consideration. I'll again give him the opportunity to comment before moving that to main space as a potential redirect target. Stalwart111 07:32, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

What's the appropriate next steps? I have plenty of sources about kit homes in Michigan. Should those be added? Kithousefans (talk) 11:00, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Go for it! I think it's looking fairly strong and I still think its a better option than separate articles. Stalwart111 12:17, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• Query: I'm assuming the IP is you and the rest of the edits were great. Not sure what's wrong with this info though. It was sourced, gave a sense of how prevalent the houses were previously and provided some idea of how they have been treated since - as iconic within those neighbourhoods and communities. The quote, I think, is worth keeping, even if we lose the stuff about the local historical societies. Thoughts? Stalwart111 22:52, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, those were my edits. I may have gone a bit heavy with the editing. I had asked some kit home experts to review what had been posted so I probably erred on the side of keeping it focused on the main points. I'll go ahead and add that back as those are relevant to that section.Kithousefans (talk) 00:18, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

No problem at all! Expert advice is always good to have! Stalwart111 00:56, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Just so you know, I've listed this at WP:DYK (here). Hopefully it will make it onto Wikipedia's front page! Stalwart111 02:16, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Let me know if it does.Kithousefans (talk) 02:32, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I gave you joint credit for the article so you'll get a special notification if it does. Stalwart111 02:53, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate that. I've been doing edits for a while on Wikipedia for a while - mostly not with an established account - but I'm not really up on the 'inside' aspects of it.Kithousefans (talk) 03:15, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Seems like you're getting the hang of it - keep up the good work! Stalwart111 07:53, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Kit houses in Michigan

The DYK project (nominate) 17:18, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

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