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Dear disavian , you are obvious a very smart individual. im just confused a litle about your edit deleting emmitt smith field as being unencyclopedic. If you will look you will see emmitt smith is already in wikipedia so how can he be unencyclopedic smart guy?????? : ) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Knowledgebase11 (talk • contribs) 01:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC).Reply
I assume you are talking about this edit, where I removed the following content:
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J.M. Tate High School is located on Tate Road off Highway 29 in north Escambia County, north of Pensacola, Florida. The area is designated as Cantonment rather than the City of Pensacola. A brief history of the school can be found here, courtesy of Louise Robinson Davis.
Tate High Aggies was the 1980 Class AAAA State Football Champions. Tate was quarterbacked by Keith Leonard. The leading rusher was Sam Brown, who gained over 1,000 yards. The defense was led by FS Paul Brown, LB Jon Langston, and SS Rocky Colburn. Tate won 13 straight games after a season-opening loss to Fort Walton Beach Choctawhatchee. Included in the playoff victories were three road wins at then #1 Panama City Mosley, Orange Park, and #2 Winter Park. In the championship game, Tate beat Miami Christopher Columbus 35-7 at Escambia's Emmitt Smith Field. The team finished with a #4 national ranking.
The Tate High School Baseball team were national champions in 1984, and state champions in 1962, 68, 76, 84, 86, 98, and 05.
Tate High School is home to the "Show Band Of The South" Official Website
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That was all very unencyclopedic. Admittedly, the article is rather short in its present state, but there is more to a high school than the accomplishments of its sports teams almost three decades ago. For an example of something constructive to add, see the other high school articles linked from Escambia County School District; in particular, see Booker T. Washington High School and Pensacola High School. Good suggestions are the school's history, demographics/enrollment, and academic performance. As for "deleting Emmitt Smith field" ... well, not everything named after somebody notable is itself notable. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 02:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
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Greetings Knowledgebase11 and welcome to Wikipedia. I'm glad you've created an account and started to make edits; we welcome everyone who wishes to contribute!
Wikipedia has a few policies that help to improve the experience of contributing for new and veteran users alike. I noticed that on a recent edit to Talk:J.M. Tate High School (this edit), you used some language that might be interpreted as a personal attack. Your viewpoint is welcome in any discussion, but please keep its focus on the content, not other contributors. Thank you, and again, welcome to Wikipedia. • WarpFlyght (talk) 04:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
hey warpfly, apparently the shoe fits! otherwise its just another opinion of yours! knowledgebase
why do you say a website makes something verifiable? You can go to the library and verify all the information on escambia highschool! i asume you are in your early twenties and were not born when these events took place at escambia! since your from pensacola why dont you go learn something at the library downtown? maybe is too much work involved as you cannot hit a key on your computer to find this information!itss all archived on micro film ! You cannot disprove my edit unless you go there yourself! when you say a race riot changed the name from rebel to gator you are being very vague and as you would put it unenclyclopedic. knowledgebase — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledgebase11 (talk • contribs)
A website is an example of something that would verify this information. You can also use a book as a reference for verifiability, but you will need to reference it properly in the article with the author, title, page, publication date, etc. -- like a bibliography entry. It is not the primary function of other editors to verify and source information that you (or anyone else) has contributed. You should be prepared to do this yourself if you are going to contribute new or expanded factual content. Also, I will reiterate what you have already been told by another editor on this site: please refrain from personal attacks in your comments. They are not constructive, unnecessary and can lead to being banned from editing Wikipedia. Consider this a friendly piece of advice, as I see you're new here. LaMenta304:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
dont need davians number one fan telling me what is proper ! get a real job ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by knowledgebase11 (talk • contribs)
Knowledgebase, I don't want to give the impression that we're "coming down on you" or anything of that sort. Your edits do potentially add value to the Escambia High School article. I'm inclined to agree with the other editors, however, that they do need a source. Because you've reverted changes twice now, you're in danger of violating the three-revert rule; I'm adding this to let you know about that. Please let this situation cool off and stop reverting the changes to that page while the source situation is sorted out.
As LaMenta3 said, the burden of proof is on us as Wikipedians to verify the factuality of our edits. This can sometimes be frustrating, but it helps to ensure the quality of Wikipedia's content – even frequent editors sometimes have their changes reverted on the grounds of unverifiability. Check out WP:CITE for information on how to cite sources. It sounds like you've got some lined up for this information.
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You seem to be under the impression that I am making unilateral, unprecedented decisions to insist that you properly source your factual edits. This is in fact an important tenet of contributing to Wikipedia, and I really am trying to help you become a productive editor. I will agree that there are instances where you know something to be factual, but you do not have a reference at hand to back it up. At this juncture, it is appropriate to add a minimal bit of text regarding this fact and add a {{fact}} tag at the end of this addition until you (or someone else who has the time and resources and knows something about the topic) can go find the precise source of this information. Since you seem to be so knowledgeable about exactly where to find the precise references to your edits, it would probably be most prudent and efficient for you to go retrieve it yourself.
I can neither confirm nor disprove your edits, as I live nowhere near Pensacola and have no way of accessing microfilm archives there, however the "burden of proof," so to speak, is on the contributer at Wikipedia. While I do add factual information to articles on topics with which I am familiar, much of my editing does revolve around the style, verifiability and Wikipedia policy compliance of articles. As of now, most of your edits have failed to meet much of any standard of acceptance for encyclopedic content as far as Wikipedia policy and guidelines go. Please review the links under the "Welcome" section of your talk page (up at the top) to get a better feel for these guidelines on how to better edit your articles. LaMenta305:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
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Your recent contribution(s) to the Wikipedia article Escambia High School are very much appreciated. However, you did not provide references or sources for your information. Keeping Wikipedia accurate and verifiable is very important, and as you might be aware there is currently a drive to improve the quality of Wikipedia by encouraging editors to cite the sources they used when adding content. If sources are left unreferenced, it may count as original research, which is not allowed. Can you provide in the article specific references to any books, articles, websites or other reliable sources that will allow people to verify the content in the article? You can use a citation method listed at inline citations that best suits each article. Thanks! -- Donald Albury12:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
if you are saying a wesite verifies information then anyone can put information on an website and call it fact. you can start your own website and put information there that can be false. if i go there and i read your information ,am i supposed to believe it because it is there? before the invention of computers there was a place called the library that has info to verify facts. what makes seeing the info on a computer more factual? you people are not showing respect for the info that a library has. as i have said the info i put on the escambia page came from the libary in pensacola florida. this info came from the pensacola news journal and is all public information. does it need to be put on a website to be verified? how does one put this on a website and prove anything unless everyone goes to pensacola and sees for themselves? any information you see on a website is only something a complete stranger put there! most of all facts that are on websites could only have come from a book or article from a library !if what i am saying here is false then someone show me how something on a website is the ultimate truth. where did the info originate from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledgebase11 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 20 January 2007
The answer to your question was in his comment. Read this part again:
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Can you provide in the article specific references to any books, articles, websites or other reliable sources that will allow people to verify the content in the article?
To use a book as a source on Wikipedia, you'll want to use the {{cite book}} template. With the information in a citation, someone can go to a library and locate the source if they'd like to verify the information. pensacola news journal many articles 1974 to 76. all on microfilm in west florida regional library.
On the web, there is indeed a lot of misinformation, and as you've pointed out there is no guarantee that any of it is true. Using citations on Wikipedia articles allows readers to corroborate the facts they find here with the sources we've used in constructing our articles. (Another added benefit is a list of other references on the same subject, if someone is looking for more information.) Not everyone will check our references, but the same is true for other publications which list references and sources. Citing our sources is the best effort we can provide to verify the information contained here. The more verifiable our articles are, the better they serve their purpose as a reliable resource. • WarpFlyght (talk) 21:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
are you saying the pensacola news journal is an unreliable source??? have you ever done any kind of research without a computer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledgebase11 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 21 January 2007
No, that is not what we're saying. We're saying that you can also use any reliable source, but it must be properly referenced/cited. To cite the Pensacola News Journal, you'd use {{cite news}}. An example citation from Georgia Tech traditions:
<ref>{{cite news
| url=http://nique.net/issues/2005-10-07/news/1
| title = Replica Tech Tower 'T' stolen from Student Services Building
| publisher = Technique
| date = [[October 7]] [[2005]] | accessdate = December 19| accessyear = 2006
}}</ref>
when i go to the library and find these articles again and i write down the specific dates, how do you guys want me to prove the escambia information true? will one of you go there and check ? will 2 or three of you go? how many does it take to be concensus?when the tree falls in the woods and know one is there to hear it crash to the ground, does it make a noise? the information on escambia is all there but no one is there to see it so your reasoning is that it does not exist. when a college was established in the 1800s was there a website there to record the information on ? no, it was recorded in a book and then you read it on a computer 100 years later.which came first the chicken or the egg? well guys the library was here long before your computers and its going to be along time if ever before all the info from all the librarys is copied to some website if ever. what you going to do if there is no electricity tommorro to run your computers? does that mean all the information of the world is lost? your source of information that you trust so much is very small in its content compared to all the recorded history that is in writing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledgebase11 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 21 January 2007
The issue here is that YOU need to include the citation IN the text or it can't stay in the article. It's just a simple problem, but only you can fix it. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 22:13, 10 February 2007 (UTC)Reply
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Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! —Disavian (talk/contribs) 05:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
Don't call other editors "idiots" because you disagree with them
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With regards to your comments on User talk:Dalbury: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.--A. B.(talk)02:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)Reply
I went to leave a message for Dalbury and I noticed you wrote:
"dont delete info that is clearly sourced! you need to be citationed for deleting info about escambia high! you also need to concentrate on your own school instead of one you have no idea about! you need to read my answer to your comment on my talk page!you are clearly an idiot if you dont reconize a library as a source! knowledgebase"[1]
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. However, adding content without citing a reliable source is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 21:08, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! —Disavian (talk/contribs) 05:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Please do not add content without citing reliable sources, as you did to Escambia High School. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 23:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)