Kurdish Elf

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April 2024

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for refusing to accept that the edit warring policy does not apply to you.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Floquenbeam (talk) 20:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

If your response to warnings about edit warring continues to be "I don't care", then you may not edit here. Do not create another account or edit without logging in; you, the person, are blocked, not just this account. Removing French-language related stuff is a rare enough phenomenon that WP will just block any new account or IP doing so. FYI, I did not block you for personal attacks, because a couple of your "opponents" are snarking too. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Actually, that's not true; on review, they're dialed up to a 6, and you're dialed up to an 11. They should stop, but you're making worse personal attacks AND edit warring. So, a reviewing admin can do whatever they want, but I'd suggest they insist you agree to knock that off, too. Floquenbeam (talk) 20:17, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, one more thing. I do not want to appear to be lumping Mathglot in with the group I think is being rude; AFAIK, they have not done so. My previous comments could have been interpreted as "everyone disagreeing with you is also being rude". --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

I apologize and I recognize that the edit warring policy also applies to me. I was not trying to edit war, I was genuinely trying to make these articles I am passionate about better. I will seek consensus from now on. Thank you and sorry again for my behaviour. Kurdish Elf (talk) 20:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

So how would you feel about an agreement that, if you make another personal attack, or you edit war once more, you're blocked for 3 months with no unblock before then? Floquenbeam (talk) 20:20, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree with this offer. I am very sorry and I promise I won't do it again. I am new to wikipedia and am still trying to learn, but I learned my lesson. Thank you for being so understanding. Kurdish Elf (talk) 20:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

OK, I have unblocked. Here is the wording of the unblock, so we're all on the same page: "User has agreed to stop making personal attacks, edit warring, and making edits that do not have consensus. ONE bold edit won't count, as long as this is not abused. If they violate this agreement, I recommend (per their agreement) that they be blocked indef, with no possibility of unblock for 3 months."

This isn't a get out of jail free card; it doesn't mean you can be obstinate in the face of consensus against you, or just say blatantly untrue things. But the issues above seem to be the major obstacles to becoming a better editor.

Please let me know if people continue to make personal attacks against you. And others, please let me know if KE violates this agreement. Floquenbeam (talk) 20:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Understood. Thank you again for your guidance, it is appreciated. I will do my best to become a better editor. Kurdish Elf (talk) 20:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello Floquenbeam,

Mathglot has been accusing me of using three different IP addresses because two other accounts happen to share similar opinions with me that they expressed on the Algeria article. I don't know if you have the means of checking IP addresses, but these accounts are not mine. I think this behaviour from Mathglot is a personal attack so I would appreciate if these baseless accusations could be removed from my talk page. Thank you. Kurdish Elf (talk) 02:54, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:NPA to find out what constitutes a personal attack. You have wide latitude to remove what you want from your talk page, with a few exceptions (like declined block appeals, and I think a couple others). See also second section down. Mathglot (talk) 06:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer. Is accusing users of using alt accounts simply because others support their opposing viewpoints considered acceptable behaviour? I feel like there has to be a broken rule here. Kurdish Elf (talk) 15:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

If it was because of unwarranted retaliation for a content dispute (regardless whether others supported your view or not), that would be completely unacceptable, but that is not the reason. See WP:Assume good faith. Mathglot (talk) 17:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

You’re not assuming good faith yourself when you baselessly accuse others of using alt accounts simply because their edit suggestions are getting support.

Also no retaliation whatsoever when you started throwing accusations around. Kurdish Elf (talk) 18:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Unwarranted PA claim at Talk:Algeria

I have already responded to the content-based portion of your comment made from your IP account while not logged in at Talk:Algeria. (If that was not you, please state so.) This message is about the following portion of your comment:

the statement about which group wants what language based on religious beliefs can be interpreted as a PA to Algerians, so please kindly discuss about language without hurting the feelings of others who have family members that were martyred please.

As I mentioned there, that is a straw man as nobody made any such claim about religious beliefs. But more seriously, no reasonable person could interpret any previous message in that thread as being a personal attack, so your comment is baseless. Your unwarranted claim of PA by another editor at that thread either against you, or against Algerians may itself be considered a personal attack (see bullet #6).

The article talk page is not to be used to make insinuations about the editing behavior of other users. If you sincerely believe that another editor made a personal attack, you may raise the issue on their Talk page, *with evidence*. On the article talk page, please stick to discussion about how to improve the article. Thank you. Mathglot (talk) 19:32, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Again, that is not me and you have zero proof that it is. Please do not comment on my page with baseless accusations. Kurdish Elf (talk) 02:39, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Already answered; see next section. Mathglot (talk) 06:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

If you are using multiple accounts

Are you using multiple accounts at Wikipedia? I noticed comments at Talk:Algeria by IP users 105.235.132.199 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and 105.235.132.223 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) and they make points very similar to yours using similar language. Perhaps that is coincidental, but I find the denial of identity in 105...199's latest comment unconvincing. Be that as it may, at one level it doesn't matter, with respect to not making any personal attacks as described in the section above.

However just in case, before you dig yourself any deeper, I should tell you that although having multiple accounts for legitimate reasons is allowed, using multiple accounts for illegitimate reasons is known as WP:SOCKPUPPETRY and is prohibited. One illegitimate reason is to give the appearance of more support at a discussion than is warranted. Doing that may attract the attention of admins who have the power to request a checkuser operation in order to investigate possible concerns about prohibited activity and that can link up suspected IP accounts with other accounts. So, if you are doing any of that, please stop immediately and report your alternate accounts on your user page User:Kurdish Elf, and on the user pages of any other accounts you are using, whether registered (named) accounts, or anonymous (IP) accounts. You may use one of these User boxes or template {{User alternative account}} for this purpose.

If you made any of those IP-signed comments yourself while not logged in to your registered account because you forgot, that is no problem: just state below that the comments at Talk:Algeria signed with those IP addresses are your comments, and it will be fine. And if you didn't, then you can ignore this. (And don't forget to log in when you edit Wikipedia.) Thank you. Mathglot (talk) 04:54, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

That is not me.

I'm new to wikipedia and would like to genuinely ask you if repeatedly commenting on other users' pages when you disagree with them is considered normal behaviour? Respectfully, the fact that you're coming to my page with zero proof about those accounts being me for the sole reason that they have similar opinions to mine is kind of making me feel like my opinion is less important than others'. Kurdish Elf (talk) 02:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

If that is not you, then good. To answer your question: I do not typically comment on the Talk pages of users when I have an article content disagreement with them (unless they have requested feedback there); I generally confine my comments about content disagreements to the article Talk page in question. I comment on a user's talk page when there is a possible issue with their conduct, or for some other policy or guideline issue (i.e., the "rules" of Wikipedia) that they should know about, so they don't fall into the same trap twice. As I am not an admin, there is no way for me to have proof about other accounts, that would have to await a checkuser. But no one has said anything about this for ten weeks or more; why bring it up again now? Mathglot (talk) 06:18, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Because I want to clear my name. You’re hitting me with serious accusations, which are completely unfounded. Take responsibility and admit you made a mistake instead of questioning everything I do. Kurdish Elf (talk) 15:20, 4 August 2024 (UTC)