LAtruthseeker

February 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia, and thank you for your contributions, including your edits to Donna Douglas. However, please be aware of Wikipedia's policy that biographical information about living persons must not be libelous. Any controversial statements about a living person added to an article, or any other Wikipedia page, must include proper sources. Thank you. - SummerPhD (talk) 04:53, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

I am new to Wikipedia. However, I did read up on the guidelines for editing bios of living people. Please let me know what kind of documentation I need to keep the corrections on Donna Douglas. Roland Bourgeois is my husband's uncle. He has been trying for years to shake the false story that WP:BLP. While saying WP:BLP. (I'm sure he would like to make the changes himself, but he is rather elderly and I don't think he's up to it!). Shall I name him as a source? Thanks for your help. LAtruthseekerLAtruthseeker (talk) 06:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

P.S. IMBD has been contacted to edit their bio, as well.LAtruthseeker (talk) 06:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Wilipedia requires reliable, verifiable sources. Your conversations are not verifiable. We cannot "look up" your conversation today, tomorrow or twenty years from now. All we have is your word that he has said this. We have no way of determining who you are, so we won't simply trust you. Wikipedia takes biographies of living persons very seriously. We will not accept potentially libelous material about a living person without a reliable source. Saying that WP:BLP is clearly "potentially libelous", especially given Douglas' reputation. - SummerPhD (talk) 06:59, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

As you can see, I have simply deleted the mention of WP:BLP. Clearly that cannot be considered libelous. (BTW, I'm sure you can see how it would be much more likely for Ms. Douglas to want to hide the fact that WP:BLP than it would be for a man to want to WP:BLP.) Thanks. LAtruthseeker (talk) 17:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Please do not make unsupported claims about living people, even on talk pages (as discussed at WP:BLP). For the moment, I'm leaving the discussion intact here and on the article's talk page. As soon as I am reasonably sure you're finished discussing this, I will be editing the claims from both pages, per our policy. Thanks. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I have not made any other claims. I have simply deleted the reference of a child. There is nothing in wikipedia policy regarding that. You can insert the fact that she has a son somewhere else if you insist. Since it is a contested issue, it should not be a problem to leave Mr. Bourgeois out of it. I could go into great detail on the facts surrounding the issue, but I know it won't be to any benefit. Hopefully you will leave things (at least the bio) alone. I don't care what you do to the talk page.LAtruthseeker (talk) 01:38, 14 February 2010 (UTC) Update: if you accept IMDB as a source, you may check that site. It no longer lists the assertion that the son is Mr. Bourgeois'.LAtruthseeker (talk) 01:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I am now removing the unsourced claims about Douglas from the talk pages, per WP:BLP. No, IMDb is not a reliable source for biographical info, since it is, in essence, user created and edited (as you have just demonstrated). As for the issue in question, I have yet to locate a reliable source that covers the issue either way. Leave the article on your watch list and you'll note if I find one. Thanks. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:59, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Note: I've made the edit here but discovered their is no discussion of the issue on the article talk page. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Sounds great; the article uses IMBD as the citation for the info on Mr. Bourgeois in the first place. I didn't put that there. And I didn't personally change anything on IMBD. I had to submit the info to them. I would hope that since the issue is obviously contentious, you would simply drop the idea that we need any info on removed per WP:BLP. Ms. Douglas obviously doesn't feel the need to make overt mention of removed per WP:BLP is rarely mentioned. Thanks. LAtruthseeker (talk) 03:10, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

You are certainly free to remove any unsourced material that you feel in contentious. That said, are you aware of some reliable sources that we can add to this article (on any content)? The article could certainly use some. - SummerPhD (talk) 03:24, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

(LOL) No, sorry. The other issue is the only one I have info on. Unless you count a cute publicity pic of Ms. Douglas in her Elly May getup with my grandfather from about 25 years ago.LAtruthseeker (talk) 03:48, 14 February 2010 (UTC)