Lacitpo

Speedy deletion of Airman's Cave

A tag has been placed on Airman's Cave, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 14:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Airman's Cave

A tag has been placed on Airman's Cave requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Pgagnon999 (talk) 00:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The problem is that you did not produce a reliable reference that proves the cave exists. Without that, it must be deleted. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 00:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Airman's Cave

You're deletion doesn't match why you deleted my article. Airman's cave has historical significance and I can't see how it fits under your tag of section A7. Can you please explain? If you'd actually looked at the article you'd see that it doesn't fit this category. Lacitpo (talk) 00:50, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Lacitpo, I've looked over the deleted page, and the deletion log. This particular page has been deleted three times, twice as copyright infringements. Malinaccier was right in deleting it a third time. Keeper | 76 00:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad to look it over for you. The main issue with it is that you still don't have a solid reference for it. The document that you've provided appears to be someone's personal self-published account of the cave--which makes it suspect. You'll want to provide a more substantial reference (for instance, a newspaper article) if you want it to survive another round without SD. I don't doubt that the cave exists; unfortunately, you must prove that it does. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 01:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

About.com isn't much better, as, like Wikipedia, anyone can edit it. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 01:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

It looks like the newspaper article about people getting lost in Airman's Cave and the related pdf article are solid references that support the existence of the cave. So, your next steps are:

• leave messages on the pages of those admins that deleted the article. Present your proof that the cave exists and is WP:notable and make a commitment that, if the article is re-instated, you will not make copywrite violations as you did in the first two instances (i.e,, put the article in your own words while citing the appropriate sources).
• If that doesn't get the page re-instated, see Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Deletion review for information on how to get a deletion review set up.
• I'd be glad to back up the legitimacy of your claim; you may point to this discussion. However, I am not an admin, so I can't reverse the deletion myself.

--Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S., these are the admins that deleted the article: User:Malinaccier, User:Jayron32, User:Jauerback.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 03:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

• Actually all the above deletion review stuff is a bit unnecessary - just re-create the article! As said above, if it is a copyvio or does not include the references you have now found, then it will be deleted again. But otherwise it should be OK. Just add a note on the talk page pointing people here. Since talk pages of deleted articles tend to be deleted, I have moved Talk:Airmen's Cave to User:Lacitpo/sandbox. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 12:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Blanking Talk Page

Please do not blank your talk page because of warnings you ain't proud of. --HPJoker ^{Leave me a message} 04:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)