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Nomination for deletion of Template:Block log link

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Boney M./ Bobby Farrell

He was before Boney M. host of the Dutch funk group Soul Sound (toured also in Germany), d.jee and entertained on the music in The Netherlands and later also in Germany. In next video,part 2 out of a Dutch show programma he told that he was a go/go (exotic) dancer,tells about a tanga slip...so he was...: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RgIgsJtGliE&pp=ygUUYm9iYnkgZmFycmVsbCBqZW5zZW4%3D ( minutes 1:44) Musicworldvision (talk) 22:19, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

@Musicworldvision: He was because he says he was? 🙂 I don't think we can go by this primary source. It's not as though people always tell the truth, whether about their pasts or anything else, on YouTube or elsewhere. The video would support an assertion that he claims to have been an exotic dancer. Largoplazo (talk) 11:39, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Email

Hey there. Would you consider turning your email on? I'd like to contact you about something. I am concerned that I accidentally connected your private GitHub account to your Wikipedia account and I want to double check if we need to do anything about it. Thanks, and apologies if I created any problems or hassle for you. –Novem Linguae (talk) 19:14, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae:, it's on for now. Largoplazo (talk) 20:02, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

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Topinambur

Hello LP- Re your revert of my tentative addition of a spelling alternative for topinambur: Of course you are correct that we should only be concerned with spellings used in English here. Last night when I saw the spelling sans o in the common name listing, it was completely unknown to me, and I tried adding the parenthetical o without giving it much thought (beyond trying and failing to find either spelling in AHD or Cambridge). Now, this morning, in fit of nerdiness, I find in my OED just the entry topinambou (with note "also -bour"), and giving the origin as derived from the name of the Tupinambá people. Before last night I had only encountered this word in French (with o) — in a tasty side dish at a country restaurant in Burgundy. I interrogated the owner regarding this to-me-crazy-sounding word, and he was quite obliging in his explanation. All this blather to say that I think that for the purposes of our article, topinambur might be out of place as an English common name. From looking through the sourced paper, it seems to me that the writers simply used the Polish spelling (also used in several other European languages). From my searches via Google Scholar and Books, it seems that this term, in either spelling, is mostly used by non-native-anglophone researchers writing papers in English, and in a few English-language writings where the authors are referring to it as the word in other languages for Jerusalem artichoke. For what it's worth, Google Ngram does appear to show u vying to overtake ou in the English corpus during the aughts, I presume related to reasons I mention above. If you think this post would be better placed on the article's talkpage, we can move it there. Longer post than I thought it was going to be, sorry! Eric ^talk 14:06, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

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Romance - thanks for your patience and diligence

Thanks to your efforts, it appears that the disruption to Romance has been squelched. Well done. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 15:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

My pleasure! I'm happy it worked out—sometimes unmistakeable truths fail to have the expected impact. Largoplazo (talk) 16:28, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

They sure do. Now there's another one intent on misinforming. I've left him notes on his talk page, not as polite as they should be, perhaps. I must be growing tired of amateur hour on the Wikipedia machine. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 17:04, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

London---subtropical?

I noticed that an unlogged editor added London to the list of locations with a subtropical climate and that you removed it. There is a real case for centre-city London having eight months of at least 10 degrees C and thus being Trewartha subtropical. Unfortunately, there is not enough numerical data to go on from the London Weather Centre. The available average shared by Wikipedia only includes the first decade of this century. At least three decades are needed and in any case the most recent two decades are not included. The available average has December through March below 10 C and November just shy of 10 C. A reasonable extrapolation would take London Weather Centre into Trewartha subtropical territory by now. Heff01 (talk) 03:00, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

If London Weather Centre is subtropical by now, it is the most poleward example on Earth and made possible by a combination of an urban heat island and climate change. Heff01 (talk) 03:04, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Heff01: Though I'm not doubting your word, I feel as though it were April 1. Simply the word "subtropical" doesn't sound like it would apply anywhere north of southern Europe, let alone all the way up in London! I took it outright to be an act of vandalism. How about Paris or Brussels? 10:34, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Paris and Brussels do not have eight months of at least 10 C. Subtropical in Europe does (according to the Trewartha definition) come north of southern Europe on the continent's Atlantic seaboard. It comes up to the westernmost point of Brittany (Ushant) and includes a few points in the UK (see the list.) That post was unlikely to be vandalism but cannot be honoured on two points: not enough numerical climate data to go on and failure to confine the post to centre city. Heff01 (talk) 01:48, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Although Paris and Brussels are at lower latitudes than London, London has a much larger UHI than either. Heff01 (talk) 01:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Misinformation added again

I recently discovered the list of countries with multiple capitals and I noticed that the Netherlands was on it which is incorrect. So I removed it from the list, but I see you reverted my edit despite the edit summary clearing stating that it is misinformation. What may be true for >90% of the countries in the world does not mean that the dictionary definition of capital applies to the Netherlands. Due to the historical reasons mentioned on capital of the Netherlands; Amsterdam is the capital and The Hague is the seat of the government. This distinction is clear to everyone in the Netherlands. While we might find it odd as well after encountering misinformation spread by foreigners, it is what it is. Amsterdam is the national capital of the Netherlands and The Hague is not. Well, The Hague is the provincial capital of the province of South-Holland, but that's it. Teysz Kamieński _(talk) 19:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@Teysz Kamieński: It isn't useful to come to someone who's already disagreed with something you'd written to repeat the same thing, while not acknowledging the other person's argument and dealing with it somehow, as though you expected a different result. I still disagree with you, and I explained why. But, to elaborate, with an analogy:

The Netherlands didn't invent the word "capital" and doesn't own it. A capital city is defined a seat of government. So calling the Hague the seat of government is equivalent to calling it the capital. It's as though you came to my house and told me you liked my dining room table, and I said it isn't a table, it's a platform. If you were to reason it's a chair whether I want to call it one or not because it's a platform on legs that's meant to have things placed on it, you'd be right. You'd be right even if I handed you a notarized document declaring that my television is a table but the thing in my dining room that I put plates and silverware on for eating purposes is a platform. While it may please me to insist that my dining room table isn't a table, nobody is obliged to indulge me in my denial. Largoplazo (talk) 23:19, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I should try to discuss the problem with my reverter rather than just blatantly revert your revert right? But I see this isn't going anywhere so I guess the misinformation will remain. Teysz Kamieński _(talk) 09:01, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you should discuss it. I was commenting on the effectiveness of your discussion. If all you do is repeat what you said the first time, which I already knew and for which I'd already presented a counterargument, then merely repeating what you'd said the first time while ignoring the counterargument (as you've now done again, by continuing to call it misinformation after I've already explained why it isn't) isn't discussing. Discussions progress, with each participant taking into account what the other person has said and addressing it, either with further counterpoints or by agreeing with it. What you're doing is just insisting while ignoring responses. Largoplazo (talk) 10:30, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

German

you also deleted all the other changes i made, you do know that.Niklas9898 (talk) 11:06, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

@Niklas9898: I did realize that after, but you can also just as well restore the changes but without the <small> tags. Besides that, it seems like you're getting off the subject with the information you're trying to communicate through mere typeface—is it really relevant to an article on the German language?

Further, I had an edit conflict with your reversion: I had just gotten rid of all the numbering, and removed the asterisks from in front of the city lists. The numbering serves no purpose, as we aren't numbering chapters for a book, and each list of cities isn't an item in a list so it's incorrect to mark it up as one. It's just another paragraph. Largoplazo (talk) 11:09, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

i don't understand. which numbering? the numbering in front of each dialect group is there to make it less confusing, no one knows how to categorize the dialects without the numbers cause the subheadlines aren't distinguishable as they have the same size. and if the city lists do not clearly state, cities with more than 100,000, then somebody will always insert their favourite even less populated cities. what i don't understand is why don't you just change what bothers you instead of deleting all the changes, it comes across as unpolite.Niklas9898 (talk) 11:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Vilnus

Whoops, sorry. I made a mass rollback mistake earlier and restored the typos. ~ Prodraxis (Merry Christmas!) 17:22, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

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"Shattered(film)" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Shattered(film) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 4 § Shattered(film) until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 05:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

January 6 Capitol attack discussion

Hello. I noticed the list of events that you posted, which are known by their Month, Day, and related event here. I am sure this clinched the debate that editors were engaged in about this issue. It was certainly difficult to argue with this kind of evidence. I am curious as to how you were able to compile such a list. All the items on the list seem to be disparate and would be difficult for me to find. However, this list was right on point for this discussion. So, if you don't mind, how did you accomplish this? I'm thinking that this capability might come in handy for some other discussion in the future. Thanks in advance. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 23:18, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi there. I used the Special:PrefixIndex feature. Browse to Special:PrefixIndex/January and you'll see a list of all pages whose names begin with "January". The entries in italics are redirects; check the "Hide redirects" checkbox and hit the Show button to show actual articles only. Except for a few entries with punctuation marks after the "January" (disambiguation pages), all the articles where it's followed by numbers come first, so it wasn't too tedious to run through and pick the entries that consisted of month + day + the name of a one-time event. Then, of course, I just replaced "January" in the search field with each of the other months. Largoplazo (talk) 00:41, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Steve Quinn, I forgot to ping you so I don't know if you ever saw this. Largoplazo (talk) 22:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I saw this. I think this methodology is very useful. Again, thanks very much. It's good when editors do good work. Sorry I didn't respond earlier. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 00:31, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Saransh

Excellent sir! You are a professional. I learnt a great deal examining your code. Anil1956 (talk) 13:58, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

@Anil1956 Its like if I touched the ground now. 2600:1005:B0B1:5F0E:0:E:50C8:7C01 (talk) 23:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

"Three (Blue Man Group album" listed at Redirects for discussion

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André de Longjumeau

Just letting you know that when you warned a user for this edit, you seem to have forgotten to actually revert the edit. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 19:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Nope, I warned the user for their edit on Aleph. I left the warning two minutes before the timestamp on the edit you're referring to. Largoplazo (talk) 20:12, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Ahh - I must've misread it while leaving the warning for the André article. Sorry about that! Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 21:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Revisons to Primate City article

Hi! I believe that Gothenburg and Stockholm do not belong in the list of Primate Cities. Your argument against it was, as I understood it, that the concept is only applies to countries where the largest city in a country is a lot bigger in relative size to others.

But then, why Germany is on the list of countries without a primate city, despite Berlin being the biggest city with Hamburg in a comparable second place to that of Gothenburg? As is the case for Madrid and Warsaw.

What are your thoughts on above?

Inte en katt (talk) 07:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello there. I assumed that your edit summary was your full explanation for your removal of Stockholm. Yuur explanation was based on GDP and universities, which don't seem to be defining factors.

So now I've looked up their populations and I see that they aren't far out of line, that Stockholm doesn't dwarf Gothenburg. You ought to have mentioned that in your edit summary. So now I agree that Stockholm isn't a primate city. Largoplazo (talk) 12:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm glad we agree. Have a good day! Inte en katt (talk) 06:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Reverted of edit on East-Timor

"Yemen wasn't a Portuguese colony" that is true but it seems like at least one area in Yemen had been controlled by Portugal - Socotra and Aden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Aden_(1548) - find pdf of the source cited in the article here: chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://psi424.cankaya.edu.tr/uploads/files/Shaw%2C%20History%20of%20the%20Ottoman%20Empire%20and%20Modern%20Turkey_%20Volume%201%2C%20Empire%20of%20the%20Gazis_%20The%20Rise%20and%20Decline%20of%20the%20Ottoman%20Empire%201280-1808%20%281976%29.pdf), maybe I should have wrote under parts under Portugese control(?) but the source cited on that point implies Yemen (or parts of it as a Portuguese Colony) feel free to read (chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA389067.pdf). So I think there should be an edit to that page, as from my understanding of the source, the immigration was not "natural" from Yemen to Timor but due to some Portugese influence, also the way it's written implies Yemen is in Africa or Gao of which it is neither? Maybe we should discuss this then make a change? Hanikb (talk) 11:00, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Edit: upon deeper reading into the first source and other sources on the subject Portugal seems to of only taken Socotra not Aden and for a total of 4 years. Also that shows a problem with the linked with article.

I acknowledge, having now reviewed what's written here, that Portugal had a presence in Yemen. But it also seems that they were there only briefly and were out of there long before they were in East Timor. The lead of East Timor says "East Timor came under Portuguese influence in the sixteenth century" but then the history section says they merely traded in Timor until the 17th century. I understand that Wikipedia doesn't tell the whole story, and maybe you're right, but it isn't clear from what I'm seeing here! Largoplazo (talk) 12:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Please help! New sockpuppet spotted

I don't know exactly how to proceed. But I'm very sure user Tromneck (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a sockpuppet of a large list of socks, I don't remember the original name but Hordeolum (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) was one of the banned socks.

How do I know this? This user is obsessed with editing religious statistics from countries all around the world (infoboxes) or the pages "Religion of XXXXX" themselves. And this user named "Tromneck" does exactly the same as Hordeolum (now permanently blocked) did before. Always editing sourced data with fake numbers or doing synth without inserting any new source.

I've also seen other permanently blocked accounts that did exactly the same edits and this belonged to a major "parent" first sockpuppet but I don't know the name. As you are an admin, can you please check this? Thank you. LucenseLugo (talk) 11:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@LucenseLugo: I'm not an admin! If you go to User:Hordeolum, you'll see that that account was found to be a sockpuppet of User:Rajputbhatti, making that account the "(sock)master". The sockpuppet investigation page for that user is at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Rajputbhatti.

See WP:Sockpuppet investigations for information about such investigations. The procedure for reporting a suspicion of sockpuppetry is in the collapsed section titled "How to open an investigation" just before the "Cases currently listed at SPI" section. Largoplazo (talk) 10:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Türkiye

@Largoplazo come to Istanbul, I miss u. Lionel Cristiano^? 14:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

@Lionel Cristiano: ??? Largoplazo (talk) 14:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Was it nice to visit Turkey? :-) Lionel Cristiano^? 14:23, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it was great. I was only in Istanbul. Archeology Museum, Topkapı Palace, Hagia Sophia, Grand Bazaar, Egyptian Bazaar, Galata Tower, the Basilica Cistern, Orhan Pamuk's Museum of Innocence, a restaurant with the odd name of Canım Ciğerim. The Blue Mosque was closed. This was a year and a half ago, I only now realized I'd never added it to my list. Largoplazo (talk) 15:55, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I am pleased to hear that. I wish you happiness in your world travel. Lionel Cristiano^? 20:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Largoplazo, I want to know about something Like I have website, and I want to add content from site to wikipedia. How could i give license to content of my site. So, that it can be added on wikipedia without problems Alenz07 (talk) 14:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

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Lisp ancestry of JavaScript

I presume the claim of Lisp ancestry comes from, to quote JavaScript:

During these formative years of the Web, web pages could only be static, lacking the capability for dynamic behavior after the page was loaded in the browser. There was a desire in the flourishing web development scene to remove this limitation, so in 1995, Netscape decided to add a programming language to Navigator. They pursued two routes to achieve this: collaborating with Sun Microsystems to embed the Java language, while also hiring Brendan Eich to embed the Scheme language.

The goal was a "language for the masses", "to help nonprogrammers create dynamic, interactive Web sites". Netscape management soon decided that the best option was for Eich to devise a new language, with syntax similar to Java and less like Scheme or other extant scripting languages. Although the new language and its interpreter implementation were called LiveScript when first shipped as part of a Navigator beta in September 1995, the name was changed to JavaScript for the official release in December.

with a derivation from Lisp through Scheme. Netscape management rejected Lisp syntax, but there may have been some structural ideas from Scheme. Guy Harris (talk) 23:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

References

Please read MOS:PBUH to the end before making changes based on it

Please note that the sentence whose beginning you quoted in restoring religiously biased phrasing to the article on Oman ends by not allowing "the prophet Muhammad" even in the first reference, only "the Islamic prophet Muhammad." Thanks, UrielAcosta (talk) 22:21, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

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Hey

Sorry for using disrespectful manners its just that I have anger issues about Caillou CoolBaljeetFan12 (talk) 23:03, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Notice of neutral point of view noticeboard discussion

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is The "prophet Muhammad" (lowercase 'p'). Thank you. ~ Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Deleting link

Why are you deleting my link? This is indeed a retail page but this is an article about the Grand Bazaar. If you would be consistent then you should take also the last link down then.... this is also a retail website. IDP de Jong (talk) 10:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Well: it isn't the bazaar's website. It isn't an academic or authoritative or journalistic account of it. It's mostly not the sort of material that external links should lead to: marketing ("The vibrant colors and intricate patterns captivate your senses and entice you to take a look") and visiting information, all of it leading up to an advertisement for shopping on the website.

You're right about that last link: I'd thought from its domain name that it belonged to the bazaar but on following the link I see it's just an on-line store. I've removed that link too. Largoplazo (talk) 11:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi thank you for your explanation. I thought as this website’s link was there that I could post as well. Otherwise I would not have even bothered. Have a good day. 78.190.145.141 (talk) 04:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

List of largest stars

I refer you to the discussions on the subject: [1] [2]. Note that the discussions are closed, and I didn't take part in them, I just thought it was a funny example to add. Tercer (talk) 16:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

@Tercer: Ha, I did see the discussion, and I thought the reasoning was surreal. (Yes, I know you aren't responsible!) The logic of many was that we obviously don't know about stars we don't know about, therefore obviously our list doesn't include unknown stars. Well, yes, the list doesn't include unknown stars, that's exactly why the title "List of largest stars", which implies we do know about all of the largest stars, is a falsehood. But, anyway, the fact that they made what I consider a misgotten decision about a title doesn't alter the reality, which is that the title "list of largest known stars" isn't a laughable example of poor writing such as we lampoon in that essay: it's what the source text should say. Largoplazo (talk) 17:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I think it's a clear example of belaboring the obvious. You don't believe it is possible to have a list about all the largest stars, and nor does anybody, so there is no point in stating that we are not doing the impossible. Tercer (talk) 17:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I continue not to see the logic whereby we correct misstatements all over Wikipedia all the time unless everyone knows they're misstatements, and then we cherish and protect them. I'm not seeing the appeal of having the title "List of the largest stars" so that everyone who sees it can think to themselves "No, of course it isn't a list of the largest stars, are these people idiots?" or else "Of course it isn't a list of the largest stars, but it warms my heart to see this blatantly false characterization of the list and I'd hate to imagine them correcting it." Largoplazo (talk) 22:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

It is only a falsehood if you interpret the title to mean "list of all the largest stars". But the title is "list of largest stars", it is ambiguous enough to allow the correct interpretation. Same logic applies to List of numbers.

In any case there is no point in arguing, as there is nothing at stake. Tercer (talk) 06:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Except that with the use of the word "largest", it's possible that the largest star on our list is only the 785,917,345,129th largest star. So calling our list "largest" is ridiculous. Largoplazo (talk) 10:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

We don't even know whether the universe is finite, so there might not even be a largest star. Tercer (talk) 10:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

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NPOV RFK Jr

There is a neutral point of view discussion in the RFK Jr talk page that I would like to personally bring to your attention. I feel like you are one of the best and most active expert I could contact on this issue. I also contacted Girth Summit on this issue. Thank you. Logawinner (talk) 01:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Basanth Sadasivan

FYI. The AfD template was removed again, contrary to (I believe) two prior warnings against it. I leave further steps (if any) to your judgment but wanted you to be aware of these continuing disruptive edits. Thanks. JohnInDC (talk) 18:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

It's hard to count because the user keeps removing their talk page messages but I think they're up to six or seven warnings including two at level 4 and have shown no inclination to respond in any manner other than vilifying everybody else, so, yeah, it was AIV time, thanks. Largoplazo (talk) 19:13, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Only today, in checking inbound links to the now-deleted page for cleanup, did I become aware of User:Bsadasiva16 - plainly the subject of the article - who created a previous version of the page and was indef blocked in May 2014 for edit warring. User:Teddybrutus was created a few weeks later, made a few edits and then lay dormant for 8 years before beginning to edit pretty much the same pages that the blocked user had focused on, including (eventually) recreation of the now-deleted article. It looks like a pretty clear case for SPI but I figure that if he's going to try an end run around the AfD result, which is not implausible, at least right now we know where to keep an eye out. For that reason I'm disinclined to do anything with this at the moment; but I don't feel too strongly about it and I'm passing this all along to you in case your judgment is different. JohnInDC (talk) 03:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)