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Referencing dates

Hi,

You have recently added birth and death dates to a number of biographies (for example). However you have not given any citations, to show where you obtained this information. Unfortunately, if you do not do so, the information is liable to be removed. please give citations when adding information to Wikipedia. You can read about how to do so at Wikipedia:Citing sources. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:51, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Then just remove it, I guess. I don't know how to cite to be honest. I would if I could, but since I edited so many things, I'm not able to find the citations for everything. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liamkasbar (talk • contribs) 21:27, 21 June 2015‎

I'd rather not see the data removed, assuming its correct, which is why I left you a message. I also provided a link to show you how it's done. If you need more help, try The Teahouse, whose helpful members will be glad to give you detailed advice and support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:41, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

I know this won't help my case, but I got a lot of my information off of obituaries and family trees. I made sure I found a complete match between both the names and dates of the scientists whose births and deaths I edited. Trust me, I'm never going to understand how to cite, so if the information has to removed, so be it. As mentioned earlier, I got the dates from looking up the scientists, and then going page after page looking for a match with their name and looking up their birth and/or death date. I'd be more than happy to give you a few examples of sites where I found these dates on: JOHN BATHURST DEANE: http://www.nuestroarbol.org/arbol/individual.php?pid=I3423&ged=familia.ged HERBERT WELD BLUNDELL: http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/term_details.aspx?bioId=93668 WILLIAM GOWLAND: http://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/58551 JOHN MICHAEL CULLEN: http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/john_michael_cullen

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Birth dates

Hi. Please note that you can't use another language Wikipedia as a source to reference dates as it is not reliable. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 14:39, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Dates of birth and death

I've reverted a couple of your good faith edits on dates because the English Wikipedia convention is just to show the years of birth and death in article ledes and not the full dates. The latter should be embedded in the main body of the article. Thank you. Bermicourt (talk) 12:10, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

What do you mean by article ledes? But hey, thank you for referring to my edits as "good in faith". I appreciate the recognition :) -Liam Kasbar

The lede is the opening paragraph. Actually having read the guidelines in more depth, both forms seem to be accepted. --Bermicourt (talk) 14:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

As in, the reason I provide a birth/death date in the parentheses while one is already filled out in the "info box where the picture is"? Because I feel as if it makes the article look neater, but if you wish me not to do so, then so be it. Honestly, that's why I do these edits. I feel as if many of the biographies are neglected and incomplete, and while I cannot add a full biography, I can add dates to those missing dates. I hope you have enough proof and reasoning to conclude that I take time searching the legitimacy of every date, and that I do not add random dates. If I feel as if there is not enough information on the birth date, but not the death date, or vice versa, I typically do not add either. - Liam Kasbar

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Thank you

Hello Liam,

Thank you for the fantastic work you have done on adding dates to so many biographies. You must have great research skills! I hope you will not think this is one of those "good work but.....". To have found the birth and death dates of hundreds of people is a reflection of your great skills. I've been writing Wikipedia articles for about a year now and I'm certain that I could not have done what you have. I guess it's one of those things that's hard to learn but easier with practice.

I agree with you that accuracy, including in spelling in Wikipedia articles is important. However, as someone who uses Wikipedia a lot, referencing is much more important. Wikipedia is hugely important to students, especially when they are writing papers or just doing "homework". However, students are encouraged not to use Wikipedia as a source but to use it as a source of sources (if you know what I mean). If they are writing a paper on 19th century French doctors for example, and they come across the Wikipedia article Pierre Solomon Ségalas d'Etchépare they must be able to give evidence that he qualifies. Few schools (and I supect no universities) would allow the student to cite Wikipedia. They would, however, accept the source quoted for the years 1792-1875 but not "1 August 1792 – 19 October 1875" because there is no reference for those dates. That makes them irrelevant.

I notice that in an earlier section on your talk page you wrote "I'm never going to understand how to cite". I do not believe that someone with your skills could not learn how. It's simply a matter of clicking on "Cite" at the top of the page that you're editing, then clicking on "Templates" and filling in some of the boxes. However, if that really is too hard, just do what you did in that same post for JOHN BATHURST DEANE: http://www.nuestroarbol.org/arbol/individual.php?pid=I3423&ged=familia.ged and someone will clean up the citation later. By the way, that's a much better reference than the one that was already given - I've added it for you! It also has useful information you could use to edit the page some more.

It doesn't matter if you can't do stuff or if you make spelling, or other kinds of mistakes in Wikipedia - as long as you include references. The mistakes can be fixed - unreferenced material may/can/will be deleted. What a pity to see all your work disappear.

Please! And thank you again.

Gderrin (talk) 23:49, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

References

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Fixed!! Keep up the great work Liamkasbar. Gderrin (talk) 23:16, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Your recent edits

Hey just wanted to let you know that I reverted on of your recent edits on Elisabeta Polihroniade as it did not seem helpful to me, was that edit a mistake ? please let me know if it was intentional edit and why? thanks Have a nice day Dinnypaul (talk) 19:18, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I didn't remove or add any content. I just fixed the "birth/death" thing. Liam Kasbar

Year ranges

Hi Liam. I reverted a couple of your edits that changed the format of year ranges. On Wikipedia a year–year range is usually written like 1881–86, except for birth–death parentheticals and several other special cases. See MOS:DATERANGE for details. Thanks. Mojoworker (talk) 18:29, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

March 2016

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US Military date format

Per MOS:DATETIES, "In some topic areas the customary format differs from the usual national one: for example, articles on the modern U.S. military use day-before-month, in accordance with U.S. military usage." - BilCat (talk) 04:26, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Model table for the 1989-2004 International 3000-Series

Hello!
What you tried to do with this table is unclear. The only visible result, apart from the missing line title and the disappearance of the model years for the 3400, is that it now has a weird layout
Could you please fix it? And please provide a small summary about your changes, as already asked by TheWolfChild just above: this way everybody will understand what was made and why.
Regards,
BarnCas (talk) 10:44, 30 March 2016 (UTC) Feel free to undo my edit. I do my edit on a mobile phone, so I I can't exactly do it.

Faber Birren

Hello Liamkasbar. I just reverted your recent edits to the dates on the Faber Birren page ... from MDY to DMY. I created that page and it was my intention that the dates are in a DMY format ... and the page has had a Use dmy dates|date=February 2015 template at the top of the edit page from the very beginning. Unfortunately, I guess I got sloppy and muddled subsequent date formats. Please don't take offense at my changing your edit; was appreciated and I'm glad it brought my attention to the inconsistency. Would like to keep it DMY. Thanks! - Xenxax (talk) 23:19, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Alpinists' DOB/D

Hi Liam, Thanks for those three edits to Charlet, Farrar and Graham Brown. Do you possibly have references for their DOB/Ds? Regards, Ericoides (talk) 08:01, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

I used obituaries and old news reports, you know.

Liam

Great. Please put in references as per usual or they'll go. Ericoides (talk) 17:49, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Take them down in that case. Or perhaps search the names of the people, and the birth and death dates I added, and see if the sources I used are good sources. lk

Wouldn't a better solution be for you to add the ref yourself? It's very easy to do so! Ericoides (talk) 05:53, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm not really sure how, but I'll see if I can find the links I used. CHARLET: http://www.angeloelli.it/alpinisti/file/Charlet%20Armand%20(1900-1975).html FARRAR: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Percy_Farrar (the birth date comes from a credible source. BROWN: http://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/ref:odnb/32116

I get my dates from obituaries, old news articles, family trees, or foreign Wikipedia pages, first checking the sources. In most cases, if there is not a full birth or death date, I leave the date alone. I hope I have the trust of the community regardless, as I feel as if I have contributed a great amount to Wikipedia.

   Liam H. Kasbar

Hi Liam, Yes, I am sure you have contributed a great deal and thanks very much for that. But it would take all of three minutes of your time to learn how to put a reference in, and then you would stop receiving so many posts on your talk page asking for references. Your work is only really half done if you omit a reference, and the whole point of Wikipedia is that all the facts are anchored to reliable references. Otherwise anyone could write anything ... and not everyone knows who you are and that you've made so many invaluable contributions. I certainly didn't!

Here's a quick way in four simple steps to make a reference for the first link you posted above (Charlet).

1. Click the Cite tab at the top of the dialogue box that you type text into when you make an edit. 2. Then click the Templates tab that appears below it to the left. 3. Choose 'cite web' if it's just a web page (choose cite book or cite news or cite journal for those). 4. Input the details into the relevant spaces and click Insert.

It really is that simple and should take no longer than a minute if you cut and paste. What you end up with is this after you've clicked Insert -- I had to add the References heading below with the two equals signs on either side of the word References so that the link would be visible on this page. As you can see, there were only three bits of information for that link: the title of the web page (Armand Charlet – (1900-1975) - (Guida)), the web URL (http://www.angeloelli.it/alpinisti/file/Charlet%20Armand%20(1900-1975).html) and the access date (25 April 2016). Most links have a few more bits of information to insert, such as the author name/s, the name of the publication, etc.

Do let me know if you have any problems/questions and good luck! Ericoides (talk) 06:46, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

References

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Rudolf Fischer

Hi. If you wanted to expand Rudolf Fischer with the obituary and other sources, that would be great. I'm too busy today/tomorrow.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:32, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I wasn't the one who put in the death info Liamkasbar (talk)Liamkasbar

References

Hello Liam,

It's a pity that you have not taken the advice offered by Ericoides and others. You might like to read the first 3 short paragraphs on this page about the principles of Wikipedia. The sentence "All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable" is particularly important. Your edits would have great value if they were referenced. Without references, they are close to worthless. What a waste if all your work was deleted! Please, please take a few minutes to learn.

Don't know how? Ask. Don't want to learn? Don't edit. It doesn't matter if you don't do it exactly the right way - someone will fix it (as they still do with my mistakes!).

I am keen to help (as is Ericoides, I'm sure). Over to you.... Gderrin (talk)

Richard Doyle

You recently added more precision to Richard Doyle's birth date with this edit. Where did you get this information, please? I have been unable to find anything more than September 1824, and no reliable online source claims more than that; including the Encyclopedia Britannica. Thanks for any help. -84user (talk) 21:24, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Idk it was in the text box

b-da and d-da template in American biographies

Please do not use either {{b-da}} or {d-da}} templates when editing American biographies. These templates will only display d/m/y, whereas the general style is m/d/y and thus against MOS:DATETIES. Cheers, GcSwRhIc (talk) 23:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I get a little lazy sometimes, sorry. I'll make sure to remember to use the M/D,/Y format. My main intention is to make sure the age of death is shown, but I suppose I should be more attentive. Thanks Liam Kasbar (talk) 00:18, 23 September 2016 (UTC)liamkasbar

No worries (Darned forgot to sign my first post). {{b-da}}/{{Birth-date and age}} or {d-da}}/{{Death-date and age}} templates work great on non American articles because they will convert different formats to dd/mm/yyyy. I use the {{Birth date and age}} or {{Death date and age}} and then specify df or mf. It's a little more time consuming because of the {{death date and age |yyyy|mm|dd |yyyy|mm|dd |mf=yes}} formatting, but I know it will work on any article. GcSwRhIc (talk) 00:52, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

I could simply do a September 20, 1959 (1959-09-20) (age 65)

Instead of 20 September 1959 (1959-09-20) (age 65)

It's honestly very easy for me. It's just that I get kinda lazy, like I said. Editing Wikipedia is a tedious task, but no one is forcing me to do this, so I may as well take my time.

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Ludwig Maurer

Hello LiamKasbar, thanks for your edit in 2015 here. Do you perhaps remember the source for the name "Wilhelm"? --Neitram (talk) 21:35, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Just look up "Ludwig Wilhelmina Maurer" and it'll probably be there. That edit was in 2015. I've made tens of thousands of more edits, so it's a little hard to keep track. I didn't pull the name out of random. Liam Kasbar (talk)LiamKasbar

You're not all alone here on Wikipedia, as many above have tried to tell you. It's hard for anyone to keep track when sloppy editors don't document their edits. Eric ^talk 02:50, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Michel Lazard

Hi, you added the date of birth and death for Michel Lazard in this edit. May I ask where you got the dates from? The birth date is referenced in the German wikipedia article, but not the death date. --Chef aka Pangloss (talk) 16:57, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

I forgot. Go ahead and undo the edit.

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Calendar issue for 'John Penn ("the American")'

You added a template, {{Death-date and age}} to the article 'John Penn ("the American")'. This template emits a machine-readable form of the date, and the external standard for the format requires the date be in the Gregorian calendar. Britain, including the American colonies, during the lifetime of John Penn, was using the Julian calendar. Therefore this template should not be used. I have undone the edit. Jc3s5h (talk) 16:19, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

ok fair enough Liam Kasbar (talk)liamkasbar

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