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WikiCup 2014: The results

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The 2014 WikiCup champion is   Godot13 (submissions), who flew the flag of the Smithsonian Institution. This was Godot13's first WikiCup competition and, over the 10 months of the competition, he has produced (among other contributions) two featured lists and an incredible 292 featured pictures, including architectural photographs and scans of historical documents.   Cwmhiraeth (submissions), 2012 and 2013 WikiCup champion, came in second, having written a large number of biology-related articles.   Casliber (submissions), WikiCup finalist every year since 2010, finished in third.

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RfC United States same-sex marriage map

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I opened up an RfC for the U.S. same-sex marriage map due to the complicated situation of Kansas: RfC: How should we color Kansas? Prcc27 (talk) 10:08, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #134

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Bye!

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Thanks for your past help. I won't be contributing to Wikipedia again, but if there are other ways I can be of use to you, feel free to let me know. MarkBernstein (talk) 22:47, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2015 is just around the corner...

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Hello everyone, and may we wish you all a happy holiday season. As you will probably already know, the 2015 WikiCup begins in the new year; there is still time to sign up. We have a few important announcements concerning the future of the WikiCup.

  • We would like to announce that Josh (J Milburn) and Ed (The ed17), who have been WikiCup judges since 2009 and 2010 respectively, are stepping down. This decision has been made for a number of reasons, but the main one is time. Both Josh and Ed have found that, over the previous year, they have been unable to devote the time necessary to the WikiCup, and it is not likely that they will be able to do this in the near future. Furthermore, new people at the helm can only help to invigorate the WikiCup and keep it dynamic. Josh and Ed will still be around, and will likely be participating in the Cup this following year as competitors, which is where both started out.
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Your opinion is valued

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I have posted (on a category talk page :-) a dilemma I am having in regards to Moving non-country specific articles to country-specific, but I cannot get anyone to participate. Thanks in advance for any insight you can offer, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:37, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty rusty as an editor and there is a tight clique at Categories (like there is in almost every area on Wikipedia) but I'll look into it next week, Ottawahitech. Liz Read! Talk! 00:48, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

An oilcan for you!

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  For a smoother return
Hoping you had a refreshing break, and that the rust will wear off once you get rolling. —Odysseus1479 05:08, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
The oil can is a new one for me, Odysseus! But I appreciate the sentiment, thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 23:45, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

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  Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015!!!

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Deletion review for Revelation Church

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An editor has asked for a deletion review of Revelation Church. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Iwillkeepitup (talk) 15:31, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:Articles for deletion/Angela Dawson (Rollergirl)

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Can you relist WP:Articles for deletion/Angela Dawson (Rollergirl)? I don't think there's been due consideration of the media coverage from her murder, conviction, and time in prison. I'm also concerned that the nominator (in good faith) eliminated mention and a reference to this, and the reference, before listing at AFD - when there are other high quality references in the article that confirm this. Nfitz (talk) 22:19, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nfitz,
I'm usually open to relisting AFD discussions I've closed but regarding this detail, the only mention of this crime was a blog that referred to her by her dead name. If you can find another source that is more reliable than a blog, I'll consider your request. But I'm not sure that a murder conviction for 30 years ago will elevate this subject into GNG status. But that's for the discussion to determine. Liz Read! Talk! 22:22, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
Two of the other references that were still in the article mention the 1991 murder. Looking at a cached version of the article; reference 2 and reference 3 both says she spent 10 years in prison for manslaughter. Not only are these different cities than where the murder took place - they are from a different province thousands of kilometres away - and 3 decades apart. I'd mentioned the 1991 Winnipeg Sun article previously as an example - but I implied there was other coverage - and it's not just from Winnipeg (where another there's another example). See these two articles from the 1991 Kitchener-Waterloo Record (ProQuest 275218137, ProQuest 275177051) - in yet another province, thousands of miles away in the opposite direction! And this 1995 Kingston Whig-Standard article (ProQuest 353182851) about her hunger strike and Canadian Human Rights Commission case. Nfitz (talk) 23:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
@Liz: Nfitz (talk) 16:53, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Koli rebellions

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Hi Liz, I deleted this article because all the substantial edits are by sock accounts/IPs of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Thakor Sumant Sinhji Jhala/Archive/1. The only non-sock edits were routine clean-up by Celestina007 at al. Can you re-review the undeletion? Abecedare (talk) 06:13, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Abecedare,
I'm sorry. I should have posted a notice at your talk page. I don't make a habit out of reverting another admin's page deletions. It was just when I looked at this page's edits, I only saw that the page creator was a sockpuppet and other editors had worked on the article. But since you are making a strong argument, I'll redelete this page. Thanks for approaching me about this difference of opinion with politeness...I'm more used to seeing a lot of exclamation marks used when things like this happen. ;-) Liz Read! Talk! 06:19, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
No problem. I wanted to leave a clearer edit-summary with the deletion but unfortunately the formatting of even the short one I left while using Twinkle was messed up. I had provided a longer explanation at the talk-page section that had drawn my attention to this article but that wouldn't have been easily accessible to you or anyone looking at the logs. So the crossed-lines were understandable... and easily remedied. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 06:25, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Patrick Wilson (New Zealand actor)

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After time to think, I'd like you to reconsider your close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patrick Wilson (New Zealand actor). Your relisting of this afd when there was a clear consensus to keep was a supervote. The relisting was a fishing expedition for a delete vote. The very day you got the comment you were looking for you quickly closed it, not giving other the chance to discuss. That close too was also a supervote. SIGCOV does not override WP:N. Frankly all round a poorly done afd that should be overturned. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:19, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, duffbeerforme,
You couldn't be more wrong about the relisting. I didn't see a consensus to Keep, just quite a few weak Keep votes, they just said that the actor had had a lot of roles which isn't an argument to keep an article. There was one reliable source offered, not several. I wasn't convinced by their argument that he passed WP:NACTOR. I relist a discussion if I don't see a clear consensus, not because I'm looking for a specific opinion to be offered. If there had been some additional Keep opinions that presented policy-based arguments and multiple secondary, reliable sources, it's likely that this discussion would have been closed as Keep. And if I don't feel confident in my decision-making ability with a specific AFD, I leave the closure to another admin to make. I do this all of the time. There were more Keep opinions than Delete but they were weak and a closure is not a vote count.
There are a couple options which could be pursued at this point:
  • You could write a brand new draft article, with adequate sourcing, and submit it to AFC for review. I think having a better referenced, better written article is the best solution. But I'm leaving these options for you to decide.
  • If you think a different admin would have closed the AFD differently, you can petition for the AFD to be overturned at Wikipedia:Deletion review. My experience there is that the editors who participate in deletion reviews are a tough crowd to persuade, whether you are seeking to endorse or overturn a decision, so you better forumlate a strong argument for why you think the decision was incorrect.
  • I can reopen the discussion and relist it for another week and have another admin close the decision.
But I won't revert my closure as I think I made the correct decision. I could have left a different closure statement than I did, which you seemed to take as evidence of a "super vote" but that's all I would alter. Let me know what you think of these options. Liz Read! Talk! 20:42, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
I'll go down the drv route. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:35, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Deletion review for Patrick Wilson (New Zealand actor)

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An editor has asked for a deletion review of Patrick Wilson (New Zealand actor). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:35, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

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Talk:Disclose.tv

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Thank you for cleaning up everything here. Their Facebook page stated Behold. Hacks have now created a page about Disclose.tv on #Wikipedia, which according to its co-founder, Larry Sanger, has become a "propaganda website" for the "left-leaning establishment- which would explain those edits of the SPAs. Many thanks! VickKiang (talk) 21:02, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, VickKiang,
Well, that explains some of this deletion tagging. I don't know how you track all of this stuff down! Thank you for filling me in. Liz Read! Talk! 21:24, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Disclose.tv SpeedyDelete Shortcodes

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Hey there Liz, this is a first for me reaching out. It's good to chat :)

I was recently trying to add speedy deletion tags to the Disclose.tv WikiPedia page. At first the page was protected and I mistakenly added them to the main content, not the talk page. I reviewed the policy for Speedy Deletions again and proceeded to add the proper template tags to the Talk Page (since the page is protected). Is there any reason why those Speedy Deletion tags were removed and I was warned?

I am seeking to make reasonable edits to the page, but at it's current state the page is not-encyclopedic in any way, and mass edits would be required to salvage the content.

Looking forward to your reply, thanks again! DiamondPuma (talk) 21:17, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, DiamondPuma,
You are a new editor. You've made 18 edits. You don't really know enough about Wikipedia deletion policies to being tagging articles for deletion as attack pages. I would focus on improving your skills as an editor by working on articles you don't have such a strong reaction to.
If you have questions about Wikipedia's policies on speedy deletion or what constitutes an attack page, please bring them to the Teahouse where experienced editors can provide you with advice and support. It's a forum for editors who have questions about working within Wikipedia's bureaucracy of rules, policies and guidelines. Good luck. Liz Read! Talk! 21:22, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, Liz. We will consult the Teahouse :D Is there anything in particular that caused you to delete the SpeedyDeletion tag? I'd like to learn from my mistakes as to not repeat them. You'd be providing invaluable insight. Thanks, again! DiamondPuma (talk) 21:29, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
@DiamondPuma: This obviously does not fall under any CSD criteria. Perhaps you are unaware that G11 means unambiguous promotion, whereas G10 means an unambiguous attack page. I'm deeply puzzled how this page can be both at the same time. Further, G10 states This includes libel, legal threats, material intended purely to harass or intimidate a person, or an article about a living person that is entirely negative in tone and unsourced, where there is no neutral version in the history to revert to. A description on a website based on reliable sources does not meet any of the G10 criteria. Besides, We will... what do you mean by we? VickKiang (talk) 21:59, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
I don't believe this to be the proper place to be holding a conversation of such nature, but I see it fair to tolerate a single rebuttal. The Disclose.tv WikiPedia page uses 16 sources. 2 of those sources are cited a total of 39 times on a page that is 1/2 of a page long! Those 2 sources come from opinion media pieces. Opinion pieces are not constituted as "reliable sources." Especially so, when a page's content relies entirely on sourcing from two opinion media pieces; the content is clearly non-encyclopedic. The page is derived solely from opinion at that point, and is highly subjective- not objective. There are no objective versions to revert to, and significant edits would be required, so I see it fit that the page is deleted in order to remake the page in true encyclopedic fashion and not waste everyone's time. There are many other ethical and integral errors with the page, so if you would like to continue this conversation on my talk page, please feel free to leave a reply so we do not continue to spam, or unnecessarily involve, Liz ;) DiamondPuma (talk) 22:42, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
I have replied there, Liz, if this spam, or unnecessarily involve you my apologies. However, I'll abstain from the discussion now on, the best place to discuss article issues is Talk:Disclose.tv. VickKiang (talk) 22:58, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Hossein Maher 2

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You deleted this draft as an unnecessary draft-to-draft redirect. While I of course am satisfied to see it gotten rid of, I would like to know whether there is anything that I should do differently when I encounter a similar case. Should I do something different in the future, such as tagging on of the drafts for CSD, or just wait for an admin to delete the stupid thing? Robert McClenon (talk) 06:25, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Robert,
This is a little awkward. This isn't a agreed-upon CSD criteria, it's what I see as an uncontroversial speedy deletion. I don't use this reason a lot but it can happen when pages get moved from main space to Draft space, then the editor cuts & pastes the content back into main space and that page gets draftified, too. I'm not sure if other admins would see this as a valid CSD G6 speedy deletion but you could try tagging them and see what happens. The worst that can happen is that the admin denies the request and untags the page.
I do wonder whether the way you move articles around to different namespaces could result in extra redirects. I know I've asked before but I still don't get your system of moving pages into and out of your own User space but it seems like you are doing it less. I see page movers moving pages around to several different "temp" pages and I don't understand why a direct page move isn't possible.
Any way, a long answer to a short question. I hope you are doing okay! Liz Read! Talk! 06:34, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
I haven't moved pages into or out of my user space since you complained about it, but apparently it deeply troubled you, because you keep bringing it up. Anyway, there are at least two situations in which page movers create "temp" pages, both having to do with accepting a draft when there was a redirect at the title. The first is the simpler case, where the redirect has a minor history. A reviewer who is not a page mover tags the redirect as {{db-move}}, G6. A reviewer who is a page mover moves the redirect to somewhere, which may be a "temp" subpage, and tags it as some sort of G6. There is now a specific template {{db-moved}} for the purpose. The second situation is where the redirect has history. There may have previously been an article at the title, and then it was BLARd or cut down. Subsequently the reviewer decides that a new draft should be accepted at the title. This is the so-called round-robin move, in which the thing with the history needs to be moved into draft space and pointed at the article. "A direct page move isn't possible" because the redirect with the history needs to be parked somewhere temporarily. Some page movers use a subpage called /temp, and some give it a number in draft space. There is no straightforward way to do it. Does that answer the question? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:16, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Gabi DeMartino

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Hello!

Last year I created a draft page for American YouTuber and singer Draft:Gabi DeMartino who is the 1/2 of the duo Niki and Gabi, she's been doing more solo projects for five years and released solo albums but however, the draft keeps getting declined, could you help reviewing it or help with making it a better article so it could hopefully be moved to the main space? since the Niki and Gabi page is getting a little messy cause of the solo projects sections. Thank you so much and have a nice day! Gabriella Grande (talk) 20:27, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Gabriella Grande,
You've been working on this draft for some time now and so I applaud your ongoing efforts. Most new editors abandon drafts after the articles is declined. It looks like the reviewers have been giving you feedback which mostly is about establishing her notability as a solo artist. I'll tell you that it is very difficult to establish notability for a musical artist or group without having singles or albums that rank high on a national, recognized chart or who have substantial album sales. Wikipedia has been slow to recognize notability for artist who have gotten popular from being on social media or YouTube since we don't typically recognize subscriber numbers as a sign of notability.
I don't review drafts myself but I recommend either contacting the AFC reviewer on their talk page with specific questions or bringing your questions to the Teahouse. The AFC reviewers might be able to offer additional recommendations and there are a large group of editors who frequent the Teahouse, there might be editors there who have worked on musicians' bios who could offer specific advice.
I would try these two first. Come back and let me know how they go. Liz Read! Talk! 21:01, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Creating a new page

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Hi Liz!

This page that I made was deleted. Draft talk:Aditya Tiwari I have recently found more sources on the subject and would be creating a new page with different content. Happy to work with you on this and seek your advice. Plushwiki21 (talk) 00:45, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Plushwiki21,
This draft was just deleted because you blanked the page and that is seen as a request by the page creator to delete (CSD G7). Would you like both the draft and draft talk page to be restored? Liz Read! Talk! 00:51, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi Liz! I just cleaned the page and updated it. I'm attaching it for your perusal. Draft:Aditya Tiwari Do you think we should delete the old pages and keep this as a new one? Plushwiki21 (talk) 01:19, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Plushwiki21,
I wasn't expecting this response. I was asking if you wanted me to restore the deleted article and instead you created a new version? Did you want the deleted content? They are already deleted. Or did you go to WP:REFUND and request a restoration there? Liz Read! Talk! 01:27, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi Liz, I feel it would be better if I start a new article. The one where I just made changes, do you think we can move it for a "review"? Please see if you can help. Plushwiki21 (talk) 01:36, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Well, you know, this is a collaborative editing project so anyone can make edits to most articles. To have your draft reviewed, follow instructions at WP:AFC...you place a submit code tag at the top of the page and an AFC reviewer will look the article over and give their feedback. Sometimes, it's very fast, other times, it can take a while. Good luck. Liz Read! Talk! 01:42, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Esports at the 2018 Asian Games pages

Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion

Hi again, we had a long discussion here. that was more than a month ago, does it take THIS amount of time to simply recover those pages or you simply forgot it? I'm still waiting. thanks. Sports2021 (talk) 02:43, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sports2021,
I simply forgot. Liz Read! Talk! 02:44, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Sports2021,
  Done I think I got them all and moved them to your User space. Let me know if I forgot any. Also, let me know when you are finished so I can redelete the pages and move them back to their original titles. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 02:58, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Thanks A LOT. I believe it will take one or two days for me to extract what I want from them. I will let you know to delete them from my user space. Sports2021 (talk) 03:00, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Sports2021,
I'm sorry you had to ask so many times. I get caught up in the work I'm doing and forget about my talk page. I'm glad you can make use of this content. Liz Read! Talk! 03:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Oh That's OK, and once again thanks for your help. I already did what I wanted. You can delete them now. Sports2021 (talk)
I'm not sure if you noticed my previous message, your talk page is too busy, I thought I should send another one. I'm done with all those pages and you can delete them now. I can blank the pages myself and ask for deletion but I assume you want to move them back before deleting them. Sports2021 (talk) 22:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Twitter Complaint Hotline Operator

Latest comment: 2 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Hello Liz, question for you at WP:Requests for undeletion#Twitter Complaint Hotline Operator. Jay 💬 14:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jay,
Thank you for letting me know about this discussion. As you might be aware, I'm terrible at keeping up with pings. I don't see how this would be eligible for undeletion but I'll see what the discussion is all about. Liz Read! Talk! 18:52, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
I read somewhere that you don't check for pings, which is why the talk page notification. Jay 💬 07:26, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Worldwide_Day_of_Genital_Autonomy

Latest comment: 2 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Liz, you closed this article recently as a merge to Circumcision controversies. There was a late suggestion from User:Devonian Wombat to target MissbrauchsOpfer Gegen InternetSperren instead, because this is the group sponsoring the awareness day. This seems much more logical to me. Would you have any problems with that as the merge target? Joyous! | Talk 19:22, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Joyous!,
I'm kind of in the middle of something but I'll look at it this afternoon and get back to you. Sorry for the wait. Liz Read! Talk! 21:02, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay, Joyous!. I thought when I was reviewing that AFD that there was more support for a merge to Circumcision controversies but I don't see that as prominently right now. I don't have strong feelings on which merge target is chosen but I'm concerned that some content might already have been merged to Circumcision controversies. If not, then the merge target can be adjusted. Do you want me to make a notation on the AFD closure? Liz Read! Talk! 07:30, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
I'm not at all disagreeing with your logic in closing the AfD--I would have done the same. i just think that not many people ever saw the suggestion that User:Devonian Wombat made, because it came in so late. I've checked in with User:GenoV84, who made the initial suggestion about merging to Circumcision controversies, and he's fine with the new target I suggested. I'll double-check in on Circumcision controversies to see if anything has been merged in--I don't think it has. Thanks for offering to make a note on the AfD closure: I'd really appreciate that. Joyous! | Talk 16:07, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Liz

Latest comment: 2 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

hello liz im charli! why did you delete my page?? can you put it back on girl? Charlidamillion (talk) 21:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Charlidamillion,
Draft are deleted if they go six months without any editing. They can be restored upon request so that is what I've done. Keeping working on your draft and, unless there are other issues like copyright violations, it won't be deleted again. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 21:15, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

😾😾😾😾😾😾 Charlidamillion (talk) 21:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

I made a typo while moving a student's draft

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

The student with the lost draft at Ian (Wiki Ed)'s talk page had started their draft in the wrong place. I moved it to the location the student dashboard linked for them, but made a typo along way. Please delete the remaining redirects User:Fr.guez/Lia Cook and User:Bombera/Lia Cook. Thanks. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:29, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, StarryGrandma,
Ah, the well-meaning mistake! I think it was great you were trying to help and that they didn't lose their project. I'll look at those redirects. Liz Read! Talk! 23:31, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Help me to settle this conflict

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I believe I am diplomatic one and I believe in settling conflict. But I don't understand why can't I solve this. This is about the photo of infobox of Economy of Bangladesh. And here is the conversation that is going in the negative way. Can you help me by joining the conversation and take necessary steps? Mehedi Abedin 15:13, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Troll closing unblocks?

Latest comment: 2 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Have we considered requesting an edit filter for this - make it so that only the editor or an admin can close an unblock request? Nosebagbear (talk) 21:08, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nosebagbear,
Is that still going on? An edit filter might be a solution as he uses the same rationale with every unblock request he declines but I don't know anything about setting one of those up. I know that Oshwah has set up several for sockpuppets or you could go to AN and maybe someone like Primefac will respond. We also have regular editors who can create and edit edit filters but no names come to mind. That's a really bad form of trolling because admins can't see that an unblock request has been prematurely closed, it just disappears from the category. There is a script I located that will let you see what pages have been recently added or removed from a category but I have so many scripts installed, I'm not sure I could find it on my .js pages. Liz Read! Talk! 21:37, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
I wasn't even aware that we had a persistant troll in this field until I saw your post! I've had one or two that I've reverted in the past from odd closes, but hadn't cottoned on to an ongoing threat - like you said, it's the "unknown unknowns" that are issue here. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:36, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

New message from S0091

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
 
Hello, Liz. You have new messages at Talk:Mike Echols.
Message added 22:09, 13 November 2022 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Saw your edit and have a suggestion. S0091 (talk) 22:09, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Responded to you at Talk:Mike Echols. Liz Read! Talk! 22:55, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hi ma'am Liz (Talk) i think you need this?

{{xxx User xxx : xxx ClueBot III/ArchiveThis |archiveprefix=User talk:Liz/Archive |format= %%i |age=240 |maxarchsize=100000 |numberstart=1 |archivebox=yes |box-advert=yes }}

Einahr (talk) 04:59, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Einahr,
No thank you. My archives are already searchable. I did have a bot archiving my talk page but it completely messed up my talk page archives and I still haven't gotten around to cleaning them up so they are still all out-of-order. Liz Read! Talk! 05:05, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
  The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For your work on Wikipedia, your 40,000+ edits, fighting vandalism and spam by being an admin, and being a top 100 editor. Waylon111 (talk) 23:11, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Question

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hi Liz, would you mind taking at look at this post and perhaps commenting? (seems the ping didn't work) Thanks - wolf 20:20, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Thewolfchild,
No, I'm guessing there is no problem with the ping, I just look at my notifications very infrequently. I used to get pinged quite a lot and, I thought, unnecessarily, and so I couldn't keep up with checking them and the number is stuck at 99+. Checking pings and keeping up with talk page messages are my two biggest failings as an editor here. But I did leave a big 'ol comment on that thread you started and hopefully the other editors you pinged will weigh in.
By the way, I haven't checked in with you that much since you returned some time ago and I hope things are going well. I know I started getting more work done and my mood was better when I stopped visiting noticeboards, I'm not sure if that is a factor with you as well. There is much less drama working with expiring drafts and PRODs than keeping tabs on troublesome new editors. Take care, Liz Read! Talk! 20:49, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Revdel request

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

here. Thanks! Adakiko (talk) 05:40, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Adakiko,
  Done Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Liz Read! Talk! 05:44, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

U5 decline

Latest comment: 2 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion

You recently declined my CSD U5 nomination of User:San Shahidi stating that it wasn't promotional, but pages do not have to be promotional to meet criteria U5.

I'm also not sure if you're aware that the page displays the full name, age, and date of birth of a minor, and should likely be revision deleted based on that alone. ––FormalDude (talk) 09:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, FormalDude,
First, I didn't notice that this was a minor. Secondly, I did delete Sandiso Ngcamu and this page ended up being a redirect (through other redirects) to that page so it has been deleted. Thank you for the reminder to not just notice the bio content but the age of the editor. A big miss on my part. Liz Read! Talk! 01:24, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
I just noticed that my page deletion occurred earlier this month and there is no notation of who deleted this page today. I can look into the deleted contents of the page though and can see that an oversighter oversighted the content. Thanks for taking that additional step and contacting them after I missed this important point of your tagging (which I believe was a CSD G5). Liz Read! Talk! 01:27, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
No problem :) ––FormalDude (talk) 04:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello, FormalDude,
That's kind of you to say but it was a big oversight on my part and I hope to never let that happen again. I see a lot of teenagers creating User pages about themselves on Wikipedia and I have to notice when they say are 14 vs. 18 years of age. Liz Read! Talk! 04:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
  The Special Barnstar
Grateful for your unwavering patience and kindness helping us herd kittens on here. Thank you! Brianda (Wiki Ed) (talk) 22:37, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Brianda,
Well, thank you for the barnstar but I think I can get grumpy with students, primarily because I hate deleting the pages they've worked on for their courses because they moved them into the incorrect namespace (usually main space, Wikipedia/project space or User space) by mistake. I usually move them back to their sandbox/their own User space but sometimes they move them back a second time! I know they are getting correct instruction but they are so eager to share their work. They don't realize that a college essay standard is different from Wikipedia's MOS. Thank you for all of the work that you do for Wiki Ed. Liz Read! Talk! 01:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Request for revisiting the PROD deletion

Latest comment: 2 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion

@ User:Liz, Please do have a look (partial preview available at google books) at

  • Scholarly Reference Book:Tschalaer, Mengia Hong. Muslim Women's Quest for Justice: Gender, Law and Activism in India. India, Cambridge University Press, 2017. ISBN: 9781107155770

Idk procedure but please do see if any chances of revisiting the  PROD  deletion. I shall update the article with above ref if you give me a chance.


Thanks Bookku (talk) 08:41, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Bookku,
First, I assume you are talking about All India Muslim Women's Personal Law Board, right? There are a variety of different types of deletion. PRODs are for uncontroversial deletions. PROD tags can be removed for an article and it will not be deleted. If an article tagged with a PROD, it can be restored upon request. Is that what you would like me to do? Just be aware that articles that are PROD'd and de-PROD'd or restored can be taken to AFD for a further deletion discussion. But, at least, at AFD, you'd be able to present your argument for why the article should be Kept.
Sorry to be so wordy but I just would like you to say exactly what you would like me to do. Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 08:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Is it possible to de-PROD and then immediately draftfy, Draftifying shall give me little time to get copy edited and all. I can write even a new draft but I do not wish to loose credit of previous contributors whatever little work they would have made. Bookku (talk) 09:18, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
If draftifying is not possible only deProdding too will do. In that case I will need to move little more fast to update the article that is it. Bookku (talk) 09:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Bookku,
  Done You can find the article at Draft:All India Muslim Women's Personal Law Board.
I know it's probably confusing to most editors but some deletions are easily handled and some are near impossible. An article deleted through AFD is difficult to restore but PRODs are fairly simple. Good luck with your work! Liz Read! Talk! 09:26, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Many thanks Bookku (talk) 09:31, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
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