Lmt 7816

This is the beginning of my talk page. Lmt 7816 (talk) 20:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Shock value

Reading your comments here, I do have one question: do you think the hydraulic shock is the more important, or the simple depth of pentration & resultant trauma? It seems to me trauma alone would account for the improved results of higher-vel rounds.

That said, let me see if I can't give you the basics of citation. First, it's Authorsurname, Authorgivenname (with initial if any). Then Title. Then Place, publisher, & year (date). Then Page #. Formatting is: <ref>Authorsurname, Authorgivenname. ''Title'' (Place: publisher, date), p.#.</ref> Punctuation before the superscript, please. :D For the bibliography, just leave off the p# & the "<ref></ref>". Magazines, add "Article title" before the name of the journal (as Title), with volume number, issue number, month & year as "publisher &c". Hope that helps.

Any other aid I can offer, just message my talk. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 21:30, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, I really do appreciate it; I've wanted to contribute to Wikipedia for some time. First off, I do want to clarify, as I am in the post to which you referred, that the FBI is still using the .40 S&W in 180gr. I meant they had abandoned the original 10mm-derived design, and I misspoke and said .40S&W-derrived As for the "Stopping Power" debate, I, personally (which is what you asked) think that with typical handgun rounds (9mm, .38 Spl, 10mm, .45 ACP, etc), Permanent Crush Cavity is the more important wounding mechanism. That said, however, doesn't discount the Temporary Stretch Cavity and any resultant hydrostatic shock. When dealing with high velocity rifle bullets, the equation is reversed, the TSC outweighs the PCC, and the possibility of hydrostatic shock exists there, too.

When it comes to terminal ballistics, I bet my life on this research, literally. By this, I mean my daily carry round has been, and continues to be, a 135gr 10mm Nosler JHP (Full Power) @ 1500 fps (from a 5" 1911 in 10mm). Another caliber I carry periodically, need arising, is a .40 Super 1911, which is the only pistol in which I carry commercial ammunition*. In this caliber, I also carry the 135 gr, which @ nearly 1900 fps and 979 ft/lb muzzle energy, this round is probably the most powerful round I carry. My backup pistol is a 9mm compact, and it's loaded with my 9mm 115 Nosler JHPs @ 1285 fps from a 3" bbl. Other caliber ammunition selections are these: .45 ACP I load the Golden Saber or Gold Dot to 935 fps from a 1911 5" bbl, .357 SIG 115gr @ 1500 fps, .357 Magnum 125gr JHP @ 1600 fps.

I load what I consider to be the most violently expanding (then, possibly fragmenting) available for the caliber. If any handgun rounds can produce the aforementioned shock, then these might. Of what I am certain is that these rounds will most likely expand in human tissue, and also have enough velocity and energy that, during the course of early expansion, create a TSC that can sever the vena cava, subclavian vein, possibly sever the aorta, tear the pericardium, etc.

The bottom line is this, shot placement is the first and foremost factor in "stopping power." After that, I want a bullet with adequate penetration (that won't over-penetrate and wound bystanders behind the target), one that expands reliably, transfers its energy within the first 12" of tissue, and one that transfers that energy rapidly. For me, the ideal bullet to do this in an autopistol is the 10mm 135gr JHP @ 1500 fps. In a revolver, I choose the .357 Magnum 125 gr JHP @ 1600 fps. Reasonable compromise bullets, to me, are the 10mm 165 gr JHP @ 1350-1400 fps, the .357 Magnum 158gr JHP @ 1300-1400 fps, the 9mm 124gr JHP @ 1200 fps.

(I replicate commercial ammunition velocity with handloads, but with less pressure, as I can tailor my loads to each pistol. For example, in 9mm I carry a 115 gr Nosler JHP with 7.5gr of Hodgdon HS-6. I can achieve 1300 fps+ without the +P+ pressures. I have tested this in 10% BB Calibrated Gelatin and it's performance is identical to the Cor-Bon 115gr +P)

Lmt 7816 (talk) 05:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

♠One small point, first: notice the indent & the formatting to get it. As a matter of practice, adding one level indent is usual (until you get so far across the page {{outdent}} becomes necessary. :)

♠Answering is a matter of preference: some post entirely on their own pages to keep conversations in one place, others reply to the poster's page. Your call. If you're going to stick with posting on your page, a notice to that effect (say, at the top of your talk page?) is a good idea.

♠As for your answer, thanks. I think Bill Jordan might disagree, ;p but I've long preferred smaller calilbers, too. Big fan of .38 Supers with a 125gr JHP over 8gr HS-6, in a double-stack ARM (Gov't clone); I use .30-'06s cut down, sized to .45, & necked. (Yep, love the oddballs. ;p ) TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 06:50 & 06:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)